Not a Dragon Ball fan...

[Nathair39]

I know nothing about the story or lore of Dragon Ball beyond what I've learned via playing Episode mode in game. But that being said, this game is amazing. I'm having an absolute blast and my sleep schedule is suffering.

Now, I've seen some people complaining about this and that, but in the end it really just comes down to skill. I struggled against Raditz, Ape Vegeta, and Autonomous Ultra Instinct Goku (as Jiren), with the only one that probably wasn't because of skill being the version of Goku (bro can just dodge anything and everything, get sparking mode and don't let up, just pound him into oblivion and chain ultimates). I actually had to turn difficulty down on a few parts to get the canonical path because I was just winning too quick.

Only fighting games I've played have been Mortal Kombat, latest one being 11, first one I played being 2 on the GameBoy. Bit of a learning curve, but it really comes down to button timing, unlike MK which is just spam buttons fast as possible (still requires accurate inputs but it's more about getting the sequence than the timing versus opponent's move).

Still a bit rusty on the guards, but for chaining, I can go all day and end in an ultimate blast and not even get touched by the AI on the hardest difficulty. Also you ain't beating my girl, Kale. Almost got proficiency 6 with her (lots of proficiency 4s, probably should work on Kefla a bit more). Almost got all the achievements too! See you all in game!

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

If you care about story and lore, Kakarot would've been the better game.

[Nathair39]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

If you care about story and lore, Kakarot would've been the better game.

Good to know. Like I said, I know nothing of Dragon Ball lore. Tbh, I always thought of it as a bit cringe like Naruto. But this game is just that good of a fighting game that it doesn't matter, and a great way to introduce new people like myself to the story. I'd probably watch some of the show if it wasn't so massive and bloated with fluff content. Yu-gi-oh did the same thing, but it just didn't seem as much (at least pre 5D's, I haven't watched anything newer than GX). Also I heard GT is kinda garbage except for the villain. Heard there's an abridged version, but problems with that one too. Guess I just need an episode list of the most absolute necessary episodes/specials/movies and go from there.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Nathair39:

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

If you care about story and lore, Kakarot would've been the better game.

Good to know. Like I said, I know nothing of Dragon Ball lore. Tbh, I always thought of it as a bit cringe like Naruto. But this game is just that good of a fighting game that it doesn't matter, and a great way to introduce new people like myself to the story. I'd probably watch some of the show if it wasn't so massive and bloated with fluff content. Yu-gi-oh did the same thing, but it just didn't seem as much (at least pre 5D's, I haven't watched anything newer than GX). Also I heard GT is kinda garbage except for the villain. Heard there's an abridged version, but problems with that one too. Guess I just need an episode list of the most absolute necessary episodes/specials/movies and go from there.

Watch Dragon Ball Kai. It solves alot of the bloated problems you mentioned.

[THE♂TIME♂WIZARD♂]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Originally posted by Nathair39:

Good to know. Like I said, I know nothing of Dragon Ball lore. Tbh, I always thought of it as a bit cringe like Naruto. But this game is just that good of a fighting game that it doesn't matter, and a great way to introduce new people like myself to the story. I'd probably watch some of the show if it wasn't so massive and bloated with fluff content. Yu-gi-oh did the same thing, but it just didn't seem as much (at least pre 5D's, I haven't watched anything newer than GX). Also I heard GT is kinda garbage except for the villain. Heard there's an abridged version, but problems with that one too. Guess I just need an episode list of the most absolute necessary episodes/specials/movies and go from there.

Watch Dragon Ball Kai. It solves alot of the bloated problems you mentioned.

nah watch dragon ball abridged on youtube its just the better version

[Plank]

So are you dismissing any and all criticism of the game based purely on your experience with Episodes, or just dismissing the complaints about story AI?

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

To expand my previous answer now that I can type with two hands:

Dragon Ball is sort of the progenitor of shounen anime post-2000. Kishimoto, Naruto's creator, was heavily influenced Dragon Ball. There are cringey parts, but anime itself is cringey by nature more or less depending on who you ask.

Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Jojo, Gintama, Inuyasha, etc. would go on to be the inspiration to modern stuff, like Kimetsu no Yaiba, and Jujutsu Kaisen. So really, mainstream fighting shounen anime is kind of DB's child.

As for Yugioh, if you're not passionate about the game irl, it's probably not worth watching as a good shounen anime. It's too long and serves as an expensive commercial for the real game. The themes and tropes present aren't very unique either. Though, consensus says that 5DS is generally one of the better ones. I also watched Zexal, Arc-V, and some of Vrains.

Zexal took too much inspiration from DM but with a less likeable (though perhaps more relatable) protagonist.

Arc-V has a cool theme, but the overstayed tournament arc near the end really put a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

I plan on finishing Vrains one day, only done with S1, but so far, and from what I've read about the later seasons, it's good, and if you're familiar with older Yugioh, it makes an effort to present itself as different and does it in nuanced ways, though to varying degrees of success depending on who you ask.

[NeroTheAngel]

besides if you like the game and the story it brings with it then I would recommend watch Z and Super (maybe GT because why not) and when you like stupid ass fun fights like Goku Blue vs. Goku SSJ4 then watch Dragonball Heroes too

[Demifiend]

Seconding Kakarot. It goes on discount pretty often and it's huge.

[Sharunas]

Originally posted by Nathair39:

I know nothing about the story or lore of Dragon Ball beyond what I've learned via playing Episode mode in game. But that being said, this game is amazing. I'm having an absolute blast and my sleep schedule is suffering.

Now, I've seen some people complaining about this and that, but in the end it really just comes down to skill. I struggled against Raditz, Ape Vegeta, and Autonomous Ultra Instinct Goku (as Jiren), with the only one that probably wasn't because of skill being the version of Goku (bro can just dodge anything and everything, get sparking mode and don't let up, just pound him into oblivion and chain ultimates). I actually had to turn difficulty down on a few parts to get the canonical path because I was just winning too quick.

Only fighting games I've played have been Mortal Kombat, latest one being 11, first one I played being 2 on the GameBoy. Bit of a learning curve, but it really comes down to button timing, unlike MK which is just spam buttons fast as possible (still requires accurate inputs but it's more about getting the sequence than the timing versus opponent's move).

Still a bit rusty on the guards, but for chaining, I can go all day and end in an ultimate blast and not even get touched by the AI on the hardest difficulty. Also you ain't beating my girl, Kale. Almost got proficiency 6 with her (lots of proficiency 4s, probably should work on Kefla a bit more). Almost got all the achievements too! See you all in game!

If this is your introduction in to the dragon ball than you MUST watch the whole dragon ball Z. it is literally iconic and the best anime of all time. Dont watch Kai as its got problems. Just find the whole Z on the internet and its best if it is uncropped 4:3 aspect and with oldschool japanese Kikuchi music, i reccomend watching japanese with subs. you will not regret it.

[NeroTheAngel]

Originally posted by Sharas:

Originally posted by Nathair39:

I know nothing about the story or lore of Dragon Ball beyond what I've learned via playing Episode mode in game. But that being said, this game is amazing. I'm having an absolute blast and my sleep schedule is suffering.

Now, I've seen some people complaining about this and that, but in the end it really just comes down to skill. I struggled against Raditz, Ape Vegeta, and Autonomous Ultra Instinct Goku (as Jiren), with the only one that probably wasn't because of skill being the version of Goku (bro can just dodge anything and everything, get sparking mode and don't let up, just pound him into oblivion and chain ultimates). I actually had to turn difficulty down on a few parts to get the canonical path because I was just winning too quick.

Only fighting games I've played have been Mortal Kombat, latest one being 11, first one I played being 2 on the GameBoy. Bit of a learning curve, but it really comes down to button timing, unlike MK which is just spam buttons fast as possible (still requires accurate inputs but it's more about getting the sequence than the timing versus opponent's move).

Still a bit rusty on the guards, but for chaining, I can go all day and end in an ultimate blast and not even get touched by the AI on the hardest difficulty. Also you ain't beating my girl, Kale. Almost got proficiency 6 with her (lots of proficiency 4s, probably should work on Kefla a bit more). Almost got all the achievements too! See you all in game!

If this is your introduction in to the dragon ball than you MUST watch the whole dragon ball Z. it is literally iconic and the best anime of all time. Dont watch Kai as its got problems. Just find the whole Z on the internet and its best if it is uncropped 4:3 aspect and with oldschool japanese Kikuchi music, i reccomend watching japanese with subs. you will not regret it.

A man of culture I see

[Sisyphus]

Originally posted by NeroTheAngel:

Originally posted by Sharas:

If this is your introduction in to the dragon ball than you MUST watch the whole dragon ball Z. it is literally iconic and the best anime of all time. Dont watch Kai as its got problems. Just find the whole Z on the internet and its best if it is uncropped 4:3 aspect and with oldschool japanese Kikuchi music, i reccomend watching japanese with subs. you will not regret it.

A man of culture I see

A man of culture for watching Z?

Hahaha, peasants, I'm giving you a look of superiority for I have read the manga.

[NeroTheAngel]

Originally posted by Sisyphus:

Originally posted by NeroTheAngel:

A man of culture I see

A man of culture for watching Z?

Hahaha, peasants, I'm giving you a look of superiority for I have read the manga.

These damn manga readers again xD

[{Δ} Achilles]

Originally posted by Nathair39:

I know nothing about the story or lore of Dragon Ball beyond what I've learned via playing Episode mode in game. But that being said, this game is amazing. I'm having an absolute blast and my sleep schedule is suffering.

Now, I've seen some people complaining about this and that, but in the end it really just comes down to skill. I struggled against Raditz, Ape Vegeta, and Autonomous Ultra Instinct Goku (as Jiren), with the only one that probably wasn't because of skill being the version of Goku (bro can just dodge anything and everything, get sparking mode and don't let up, just pound him into oblivion and chain ultimates). I actually had to turn difficulty down on a few parts to get the canonical path because I was just winning too quick.

Only fighting games I've played have been Mortal Kombat, latest one being 11, first one I played being 2 on the GameBoy. Bit of a learning curve, but it really comes down to button timing, unlike MK which is just spam buttons fast as possible (still requires accurate inputs but it's more about getting the sequence than the timing versus opponent's move).

Still a bit rusty on the guards, but for chaining, I can go all day and end in an ultimate blast and not even get touched by the AI on the hardest difficulty. Also you ain't beating my girl, Kale. Almost got proficiency 6 with her (lots of proficiency 4s, probably should work on Kefla a bit more). Almost got all the achievements too! See you all in game!

Recommend getting into Dragon Ball via the original series (Young Goku) and go from there. Kai condenses stuff, so if you are worried about bloat watch that after. Super is honestly kind of bad. Art style is far worse, story is bordering on nonsensical (even more so than usual DBZ standards). Also watch with English voices because they are far superior to 90% of the Japanese voice actors.

As for the game, the story is brutally difficult but absolutely doable. I've seen my fair share of input reading broken AI in fighting games (MK9 Shao Kahn... SCV Kilik). The main issue people have is that the online is hilariously imbalanced to the point of ridiculousness. You see nothing but the same chars being spammed repeatedly in the same way, and many chars are borderline unviable.

Even aside from the spam, there are a few mechanics that are questionable and need reworks, like super counter resulting in actual cutscenes for 5 minutes of vanish spam for one person to run out of ki to get hit with a full combo that could actually decide the match.

[Nathair39]

Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

[Nathair39]

Though one lore question I got is; who is higher in the pecking order? King Kai or a Supreme Kai? They don't seem to touch on this anywhere I looked.