Whats the hell with nowadays kiddos? GOHAN BEAST IS TRASH

[KazzizzaK]

I have seen a lot of kiddos wanting Gohan beast to be added into the game.... The thing is, it's the most lame and CRINGE transformation ever, a cheap copy-paste from cell saga, and he literally does NOTHING, just that piccolo special bean cannon. Aso he is supposed to be super weak since he didnt train at all for a long time, then cuz yes he gets that cringe long hair and like I said at start, he does nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs9kUNgAs5U

PATHETIC.

His addition to the game will be the most useless thing ever, and all his move sets will be literally invented lol

[Tjorven]

Originally posted by Red Ribbon Redneck:

You realize that in the Beast transformation, Gohan's power level temporarily increases to like 3x that of perfected UI goku? Gohan is the most powerful character in universe at time of Beast transformation.

You can just look this up though, this information is readily available.

Gohan beast looks like something DragonBall would use to make fun of itself + it's very lazy writing and simply a character assassination.

[Tjorven]

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

Originally posted by The Gray Fox:

you mean the series being continued by a fanfic artist based on very loose notes from a man who often forgets entire plot points and characters he's created?

gohan was always supposed to be the strongest by a large margin. all throughout the series the talk about his potential being super high.

and they wanted piccolo to catch back up because orange is also supposed to be comparable to ui and beast or so iv read.

Orange Piccolo makes sense, it completed his character arc. Beast Gohan is just very lazy writing and only exists because they changed the movies focus on Piccolo to Gohan. Because they know Gohan will always sell more tickets and merch then Piccolo ever could.

[The_RivvesYT]

i dont understand the point of this post? just ignore beast bro dont yell about it

[Kankaku]

Originally posted by TheHuskyGT:

Originally posted by Kankaku:

I'm excited to see how they loop back around to make everything fit into the lead up to GT since it's considered canon by Shueisha's official timeline. Bet it's going to just be a super dragon ball wish that god ki can no longer be used which removes the need for the Kai's and GoDs.

My prediction is that Zeno will erase their ability to use God Ki. That would still leave loose ends like Gohan, Piccolo, Broly, Frieza, Android 17 and the other stupid powerful fighters from other universes. Not to mention, UI is technically not God Ki.

Or they can also have their memory erased on top of that. I don't know. It's just bad writing all over the place. Even Daima is already contradicting Super and leaving plot holes. They could very well just ignore GT, make it part of a loosely canon "multiverse" like in Heroes.

IDFK

Yeah just a good memory erase and removal of the god ki characters would probably do it. I haven't had the chance to watch Daima yet. Going to really soon, I hope it's good even if it's contradictory.

I don't think they can ignore GT now that they've put it on the official timeline but they could just have it be alternates like a future trunks scenario. That would be kinda lame though in my opinion.

[The_RivvesYT]

when the hell has gt been canon

[Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong]

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

when the hell has gt been canon

Since it was added to the official timeline.

[Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong]

Also super good fanfic artists going on to work on full main series is not at all uncommon in Japan. It actually happens all that time.

[The_RivvesYT]

Originally posted by Red Ribbon Redneck:

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

when the hell has gt been canon

Since it was added to the official timeline.

please tell me you arent talking about the one from 2013 from the event thing...

[Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong]

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

Originally posted by Red Ribbon Redneck:

Since it was added to the official timeline.

please tell me you arent talking about the one from 2013 from the event thing...

https://screenrant.com/dragon-ball-gt-is-canon-official-timeline/#:~:text=Shueisha%20created%20an%20official%20timeline,Ball%20%20GT%2C%20making%20it%20canon

Toriyama knew this existed and help create it with Shueisha, and neither of them have ever said that GT wasn't canon. The fact that the timeline was created by the series creator with help of the publisher, and Toriyama before his death nor Shueisha have come out to say the opposite, therefore it should be considered canon.

[.Master Jiren, The Strongest]

i'm glad to see someone else that didn't jump on the "beast gohan is the best thing ever" bandwagon. I seriously think you guys drank the nostalgia coolaid way too much.

beast gohan was supposed to be the pay off that all the gohan fans had been waiting for since they teased it all the way back when Gohan beat Raditz in the Saiyan Saga. This was supposed to be the culmination of the Z story arc of Gohan finally unleashing his inner power in all its glory. (Ultimate Gohan was actually supposed to be this, but they immediately side lined him so, this is what we got instead)

It doesn't even make any sense. How did he transform? What training was he doing? What even is this form and what does it do? Why did his hair grow out to his SS2 hair from when he was a kid? Is that his normal hair length and he just always cuts it? Why does he go kinda rabid when he goes SS2 Teen Gohan and Beast Gohan? Are we going to explore any of this? Of course not.

Look, I loved Ultimate Gohan, Mystic Gohan, Gokuhan. Very cool. "No, i'm here to kill you". Absolute menace. And his Burst Rush is the coolest melee combo i've ever seen in my life and to this day is my favorite. That sequence of him smacking Super Buu around with the most basic kicks and punches and doing so much damage while making it look so effortless is so iconic that its burned into my mind. And that upward kick he did is ******* LEGENDARY.

But Beast Gohan is trash. You can't teased in the Saiyan Saga, mention it again on Namek, talk about it more against Cell, then give him Mystic, and then sideline him and have him go Beast and then act like this is the culmination, no, its called a *** pull. Thats what it is.

If Pan had died, the transformation would make sense.
If we had seen an entire arc of him training with Whis, the transformation would make sense.
But as it stands, it's just a cash grab transformation designed to elicit nostalgia 'member berries from fanboys that are desperate for some Gohan Ws.

Well it won't work on me. No sir.
How about you do a movie with JIren and have him knock the **** out of Whis or something, instead of introducing him as the only mortal stronger than a Destruction God and then immediately sidelining him. And boy I can't wait to see how they ruin Broly after having his base form go toe to toe with 2 Gods effortlessly, i'm totally sure they won't immediately nerf him or just outright forget about him.


Look, sorry, but I have no faith that Dragonball will do these characters justice, and Beast Gohan is an example of them explicitly *not* doing a character justice, pulling a transformation out of no where and acting like it's supposed to be some big great thing you've been building to is cheap and lazy.

However. I have no problem with people being fans of it and wanting it in the game. It looks cool, its strong, and he has a different personality, there's a lot to like especially if you overlook all the problems with it. We're all Dragonball fans here, and we all want to see this product taken to even greater heights.

I just want them to do it the right way. Beast felt forced. It didn't feel organic. Unfortunately, that's par for the course for Super, which has people pulling out transformations off screen every other episode. In fact, Vegeta and Goku both did this for SS2, and every form afterwards.

SS2 Gohan was the *last* character whose transformation felt earned. Everything after that (not counting Ultimate Gohan as thats a different kind of thing), all happened off screen. Not great.

Give us organic transformations, that make sense, and maintain consistency. Thats all we ask for. We don't want to hate Beast Gohan. We just wish it felt earned. If you think him beating up Raditz as a kid justifies the Beast form, then thats totally cool for you, but there's a few of us that expected more of an effort other than "sideline gohan after Cell and then have him pull out a new form for no reason", its lazy and disrespectful to the character and Gohan's fans.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk everyone.

[Kankaku]

Originally posted by Red Ribbon Redneck:

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

please tell me you arent talking about the one from 2013 from the event thing...

https://screenrant.com/dragon-ball-gt-is-canon-official-timeline/#:~:text=Shueisha%20created%20an%20official%20timeline,Ball%20%20GT%2C%20making%20it%20canon

Toriyama knew this existed and help create it with Shueisha, and neither of them have ever said that GT wasn't canon. The fact that the timeline was created by the series creator with help of the publisher, and Toriyama before his death nor Shueisha have come out to say the opposite, therefore it should be considered canon.

There's always people that try to argue that it's not due to inconsistencies but beings that they can't even keep hair colors the same it's not really a good argument base lol.

GT has always been canon they just don't want it to be because they don't like it for whatever reason.

[The_RivvesYT]

Originally posted by Kankaku:

Originally posted by Red Ribbon Redneck:

https://screenrant.com/dragon-ball-gt-is-canon-official-timeline/#:~:text=Shueisha%20created%20an%20official%20timeline,Ball%20%20GT%2C%20making%20it%20canon

Toriyama knew this existed and help create it with Shueisha, and neither of them have ever said that GT wasn't canon. The fact that the timeline was created by the series creator with help of the publisher, and Toriyama before his death nor Shueisha have come out to say the opposite, therefore it should be considered canon.

There's always people that try to argue that it's not due to inconsistencies but beings that they can't even keep hair colors the same it's not really a good argument base lol.

GT has always been canon they just don't want it to be because they don't like it for whatever reason.

as someone who really doesnt want gt to be canon i confirm its not cause i dont like it [iv never watched it] its cause it would flat out make super a huge waste of time

[The_RivvesYT]

Originally posted by .Master Jiren, The Strongest:

i'm glad to see someone else that didn't jump on the "beast gohan is the best thing ever" bandwagon. I seriously think you guys drank the nostalgia coolaid way too much.

beast gohan was supposed to be the pay off that all the gohan fans had been waiting for since they teased it all the way back when Gohan beat Raditz in the Saiyan Saga. This was supposed to be the culmination of the Z story arc of Gohan finally unleashing his inner power in all its glory. (Ultimate Gohan was actually supposed to be this, but they immediately side lined him so, this is what we got instead)

It doesn't even make any sense. How did he transform? What training was he doing? What even is this form and what does it do? Why did his hair grow out to his SS2 hair from when he was a kid? Is that his normal hair length and he just always cuts it? Why does he go kinda rabid when he goes SS2 Teen Gohan and Beast Gohan? Are we going to explore any of this? Of course not.

Look, I loved Ultimate Gohan, Mystic Gohan, Gokuhan. Very cool. "No, i'm here to kill you". Absolute menace. And his Burst Rush is the coolest melee combo i've ever seen in my life and to this day is my favorite. That sequence of him smacking Super Buu around with the most basic kicks and punches and doing so much damage while making it look so effortless is so iconic that its burned into my mind. And that upward kick he did is ******* LEGENDARY.

But Beast Gohan is trash. You can't teased in the Saiyan Saga, mention it again on Namek, talk about it more against Cell, then give him Mystic, and then sideline him and have him go Beast and then act like this is the culmination, no, its called a *** pull. Thats what it is.

If Pan had died, the transformation would make sense.
If we had seen an entire arc of him training with Whis, the transformation would make sense.
But as it stands, it's just a cash grab transformation designed to elicit nostalgia 'member berries from fanboys that are desperate for some Gohan Ws.

Well it won't work on me. No sir.
How about you do a movie with JIren and have him knock the **** out of Whis or something, instead of introducing him as the only mortal stronger than a Destruction God and then immediately sidelining him. And boy I can't wait to see how they ruin Broly after having his base form go toe to toe with 2 Gods effortlessly, i'm totally sure they won't immediately nerf him or just outright forget about him.


Look, sorry, but I have no faith that Dragonball will do these characters justice, and Beast Gohan is an example of them explicitly *not* doing a character justice, pulling a transformation out of no where and acting like it's supposed to be some big great thing you've been building to is cheap and lazy.

However. I have no problem with people being fans of it and wanting it in the game. It looks cool, its strong, and he has a different personality, there's a lot to like especially if you overlook all the problems with it. We're all Dragonball fans here, and we all want to see this product taken to even greater heights.

I just want them to do it the right way. Beast felt forced. It didn't feel organic. Unfortunately, that's par for the course for Super, which has people pulling out transformations off screen every other episode. In fact, Vegeta and Goku both did this for SS2, and every form afterwards.

SS2 Gohan was the *last* character whose transformation felt earned. Everything after that (not counting Ultimate Gohan as thats a different kind of thing), all happened off screen. Not great.

Give us organic transformations, that make sense, and maintain consistency. Thats all we ask for. We don't want to hate Beast Gohan. We just wish it felt earned. If you think him beating up Raditz as a kid justifies the Beast form, then thats totally cool for you, but there's a few of us that expected more of an effort other than "sideline gohan after Cell and then have him pull out a new form for no reason", its lazy and disrespectful to the character and Gohan's fans.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk everyone.

how long did you spend typing this

[Kankaku]

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

Originally posted by Kankaku:

There's always people that try to argue that it's not due to inconsistencies but beings that they can't even keep hair colors the same it's not really a good argument base lol.

GT has always been canon they just don't want it to be because they don't like it for whatever reason.

as someone who really doesnt want gt to be canon i confirm its not cause i dont like it [iv never watched it] its cause it would flat out make super a huge waste of time

Yeah, it's not for you and that's fine but regardless it still is for the whole continuity unless something changes in between Super and GT. Which can always happen because it's not like Toriyama signed off on every episode of GT as it went out with ideas of super or diama in mind.

[The_RivvesYT]

Originally posted by Kankaku:

Originally posted by THE_CATYT:

as someone who really doesnt want gt to be canon i confirm its not cause i dont like it [iv never watched it] its cause it would flat out make super a huge waste of time

Yeah, it's not for you and that's fine but regardless it still is for the whole continuity unless something changes in between Super and GT. Which can always happen because it's not like Toriyama signed off on every episode of GT as it went out with ideas of super or diama in mind.

when the hell did i say it wasnt for me i just havent gotten to it