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Yeah but the amount is so little against those ai that parry absolutely everything even tho i counter his parries itwastes too much time. So its basically a coin flip on how much they are going to counter and waste time except if there is something to prevent parries, vanishes, counters that i dont know of
It's a tight window, but I've managed to kill Cell twice and gotten his defeat line, but the dialogue still plays, and the mission ends prematurely while fighting 17 again.