Piccolo's Android 17 mission alt win condition is driving me bananas.

[Zabelfrie]

It really feels like sometimes the game has decided that you've lost the alternate win condition arbitrarily. I've heard that it's "don't lose 2 health bars" but it's given me the dialogue that locks me out before that. I've also heard that it's timed but the timer seems downright random.

I know for sure that if it starts the "17 get away from him!" dialogue, you cannot kill Cell. It has saved Cell from dying to a super move multiple times now. That's about all I know though.

[DelizMatey]

I agree and here’s the key to getting this one (and since you said super move I’m sure you almost got it)

Piccolos special beam cannon is ridiculously strong in sparking and you can near guarantee a hit on it if you send them flying the begin charging the beam.

The SPECIAL BEAM CANNON DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE STAGE PARTS THAT ARE BREAKABLE HOLY SHUT THAT INFURATES ME. (I shut the game when one of the tower islands ♥♥♥♥ blocked me out of a win.)

So be sure to kick them over the water (usually just left of where you start.

Also 17 loves to spam ki blasts at the start so zoom around him before he unloads his clip of 15 key blasts in your face.


On top of that make sure to punch him once and throw a volley of your own ki blasts because he will ALWAYS super guard and stagger your 2nd or 3rd hit.

Cell’s Solar flare can IMMEDIATELY invalidate your run so be sure to approach from the back as much as possible.

[DelizMatey]

Oh fun additional bit that absolutely angers me if cell kills you, you don’t fail the mission you stay at one health and it says mission passed. So the main objective is also a lie you don’t have to survive this to win. (That one’s just my two cents.)

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

I agree and here’s the key to getting this one (and since you said super move I’m sure you almost got it)

Piccolos special beam cannon is ridiculously strong in sparking and you can near guarantee a hit on it if you send them flying the begin charging the beam.

The SPECIAL BEAM CANNON DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE STAGE PARTS THAT ARE BREAKABLE HOLY SHUT THAT INFURATES ME. (I shut the game when one of the tower islands ♥♥♥♥ blocked me out of a win.)

So be sure to kick them over the water (usually just left of where you start.

Also 17 loves to spam ki blasts at the start so zoom around him before he unloads his clip of 15 key blasts in your face.


On top of that make sure to punch him once and throw a volley of your own ki blasts because he will ALWAYS super guard and stagger your 2nd or 3rd hit.

Cell’s Solar flare can IMMEDIATELY invalidate your run so be sure to approach from the back as much as possible.

Wait do you have to kill him with the special beam cannon specifically?? Because they give you absolutely no clue as to what to do for this one. I'm asking that genuinely. Is it a specific move? A specific amount of health? A timer?

[Erk]

Originally posted by Zabelfrie:

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

I agree and here’s the key to getting this one (and since you said super move I’m sure you almost got it)

Piccolos special beam cannon is ridiculously strong in sparking and you can near guarantee a hit on it if you send them flying the begin charging the beam.

The SPECIAL BEAM CANNON DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE STAGE PARTS THAT ARE BREAKABLE HOLY SHUT THAT INFURATES ME. (I shut the game when one of the tower islands ♥♥♥♥ blocked me out of a win.)

So be sure to kick them over the water (usually just left of where you start.

Also 17 loves to spam ki blasts at the start so zoom around him before he unloads his clip of 15 key blasts in your face.


On top of that make sure to punch him once and throw a volley of your own ki blasts because he will ALWAYS super guard and stagger your 2nd or 3rd hit.

Cell’s Solar flare can IMMEDIATELY invalidate your run so be sure to approach from the back as much as possible.

Wait do you have to kill him with the special beam cannon specifically?? Because they give you absolutely no clue as to what to do for this one. I'm asking that genuinely. Is it a specific move? A specific amount of health? A timer?

"Piccolos special beam cannon is ridiculously strong in sparking and you can near guarantee a hit on it if you send them flying the begin charging the beam." He said it's super strong and will likely kill him quick enough if you get it off

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by Erk:

Originally posted by Zabelfrie:

Wait do you have to kill him with the special beam cannon specifically?? Because they give you absolutely no clue as to what to do for this one. I'm asking that genuinely. Is it a specific move? A specific amount of health? A timer?

"Piccolos special beam cannon is ridiculously strong in sparking and you can near guarantee a hit on it if you send them flying the begin charging the beam." He said it's super strong and will likely kill him quick enough if you get it off

Ahh for a second there I genuinely thought that it was a move requirement. I've been spamming the hell out of hellzone grenade.

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

Oh fun additional bit that absolutely angers me if cell kills you, you don’t fail the mission you stay at one health and it says mission passed. So the main objective is also a lie you don’t have to survive this to win. (That one’s just my two cents.)

Btw how lenient does a dragon orb make this mission?

[Zogtar]

I'm guessing you can't lose a set amount of health or the mission ends. Would be nice if they added a timer for the side-obj or clarify...

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

I'm guessing you can't lose a set amount of health or the mission ends. Would be nice if they added a timer for the side-obj or clarify...

Truth be told to this day I cannot tell you. I just moved on and completed Goku's story until somebody makes like a wiki page on it with the actual objective present in it.

[DelizMatey]

Originally posted by Zabelfrie:

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

I'm guessing you can't lose a set amount of health or the mission ends. Would be nice if they added a timer for the side-obj or clarify...

Truth be told to this day I cannot tell you. I just moved on and completed Goku's story until somebody makes like a wiki page on it with the actual objective present in it.

Super don’t know if you managed to get it, but using the special beam cannon was my key to beating this in the time limit.

It is exclusively beat the opponents fast enough. No more no less just get in there barely worry about sparking and worry about confirming those special beam cannon hits (fully charged.) I find kicking him up after hitting him with a smash attack to send him flying, vanish twice to get some extra damage. And on the second vanish hit him into the air so you have enough time to charge and hit him for max damage special beam cannon.

It’s sooo cathartic cuz after you beat cell you just get a victory lap with fighting 17 take as long as ya like and just beat his ass after he reappears for the win.

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

Originally posted by Zabelfrie:

Truth be told to this day I cannot tell you. I just moved on and completed Goku's story until somebody makes like a wiki page on it with the actual objective present in it.

Super don’t know if you managed to get it, but using the special beam cannon was my key to beating this in the time limit.

It is exclusively beat the opponents fast enough. No more no less just get in there barely worry about sparking and worry about confirming those special beam cannon hits (fully charged.) I find kicking him up after hitting him with a smash attack to send him flying, vanish twice to get some extra damage. And on the second vanish hit him into the air so you have enough time to charge and hit him for max damage special beam cannon.

It’s sooo cathartic cuz after you beat cell you just get a victory lap with fighting 17 take as long as ya like and just beat his ass after he reappears for the win.

So time limit for sure. Fair, it just seems like the timer is randomised sometimes so I got all mixed up. Aight well we spam the makakamoppotimus or whatever and ball

[Mer1nd]

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

Originally posted by Zabelfrie:

Truth be told to this day I cannot tell you. I just moved on and completed Goku's story until somebody makes like a wiki page on it with the actual objective present in it.

Super don’t know if you managed to get it, but using the special beam cannon was my key to beating this in the time limit.

It is exclusively beat the opponents fast enough. No more no less just get in there barely worry about sparking and worry about confirming those special beam cannon hits (fully charged.) I find kicking him up after hitting him with a smash attack to send him flying, vanish twice to get some extra damage. And on the second vanish hit him into the air so you have enough time to charge and hit him for max damage special beam cannon.

It’s sooo cathartic cuz after you beat cell you just get a victory lap with fighting 17 take as long as ya like and just beat his ass after he reappears for the win.

As a heads up, the second 17 fight IS timed as well so you can beat Cell and still get the dialogue that locks you out of winning the fight. You have to beat both before the timer ends

[DelizMatey]

Originally posted by Mer1nd:

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

Super don’t know if you managed to get it, but using the special beam cannon was my key to beating this in the time limit.

It is exclusively beat the opponents fast enough. No more no less just get in there barely worry about sparking and worry about confirming those special beam cannon hits (fully charged.) I find kicking him up after hitting him with a smash attack to send him flying, vanish twice to get some extra damage. And on the second vanish hit him into the air so you have enough time to charge and hit him for max damage special beam cannon.

It’s sooo cathartic cuz after you beat cell you just get a victory lap with fighting 17 take as long as ya like and just beat his ass after he reappears for the win.

As a heads up, the second 17 fight IS timed as well so you can beat Cell and still get the dialogue that locks you out of winning the fight. You have to beat both before the timer ends

Happy to be corrected, keep it a buck with you after the insanely tight time limit of the first check with Cell, I barely registered that there was a second one with 17 😅

Good looking out brother.

[Zabelfrie]

Originally posted by Mer1nd:

Originally posted by DelizMatey:

Super don’t know if you managed to get it, but using the special beam cannon was my key to beating this in the time limit.

It is exclusively beat the opponents fast enough. No more no less just get in there barely worry about sparking and worry about confirming those special beam cannon hits (fully charged.) I find kicking him up after hitting him with a smash attack to send him flying, vanish twice to get some extra damage. And on the second vanish hit him into the air so you have enough time to charge and hit him for max damage special beam cannon.

It’s sooo cathartic cuz after you beat cell you just get a victory lap with fighting 17 take as long as ya like and just beat his ass after he reappears for the win.

As a heads up, the second 17 fight IS timed as well so you can beat Cell and still get the dialogue that locks you out of winning the fight. You have to beat both before the timer ends

So in that case would a dragon orb increase the time limit on killing both Cell AND 17? Or just Cell?