The infinite Z vanish problem

[Lunrae]

Don't you guys think the Z vanish is a tad too easy to do?
It's like, the 4th match in a row i'm having where me and the guy are basically locked in a chain of Z vanish until one of us don't have any more ki.
The matches are getting a bit boring because of this, the game is supposed to be super fast paced, but once two players know the timing, you're locked into this forever just pressing the guard button every 2 second for chaining like 10 vanish (sometimes more) each time.

I know tenkaichi 3 had this too, but I remember the timing to be way harder. Maybe having an option to do it faster or slower could mess up the guessing game? Or have another option entirely, like you retreat back but the opponent can move immediately or something.

[Zogtar]

Yeah, Z-vanish gives the win to the person with the most energy... It's kinda boring to repeat vanishing 10 times just to get a back shot combo off.

If they added more escape utilities from said combos, I think we'd see a lot less of those trades.

[Derivat949]

BT3 solved this by having harder timing and a sort of "vanish clash" after like 3 or 4 vanishes back to back

[Lunrae]

Originally posted by Derivat949:

BT3 solved this by having harder timing and a sort of "vanish clash" after like 3 or 4 vanishes back to back

Oh that's right! I completely forgot about that mechanic! I hope they bring it back or something similar, because right now I want to do online matches less and less because of this.

[Lunrae]

Originally posted by Judge Caveman:

Yeah, Z-vanish gives the win to the person with the most energy... It's kinda boring to repeat vanishing 10 times just to get a back shot combo off.

If they added more escape utilities from said combos, I think we'd see a lot less of those trades.

Yeah, I agree, I think no player wants to repeat that endlessly, and just letting yourself hit can lead to a punish way too violent to just "allow it" especially if they have enough ki for a special attack or if they are in sparking.

[Demented]

It makes pvp unplayable, it makes you not wanna hop into pvp, all thats waiting for you is infinite z vanish with someone. Makes the pvp boring and makes you think if the developers really fought with the mechanics they created

[BRIMStone]

cant you super counter the attack? if you can, that'd be a good way to get out of it, esp since im fairly certain the attack after the Z counter is consistant

[Korrag (Finality)]

Originally posted by BRIMStone:

cant you super counter the attack? if you can, that'd be a good way to get out of it, esp since im fairly certain the attack after the Z counter is consistant

the problem is, right after u super counter they can vanish again, so the cycle just repeats

[weirdkid5]

Originally posted by Korrag (Slaughter):

Originally posted by BRIMStone:

cant you super counter the attack? if you can, that'd be a good way to get out of it, esp since im fairly certain the attack after the Z counter is consistant

the problem is, right after u super counter they can vanish again, so the cycle just repeats

Yea but Super Counter doesn’t require Ki or skill points, so if they just keep vanishing they’ll eventually gut their own ki supply. The cycle will eventually end in your favor as long as you have good timing.

[BRIMStone]

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

Originally posted by Korrag (Slaughter):

the problem is, right after u super counter they can vanish again, so the cycle just repeats

Yea but Super Counter doesn’t require Ki or skill points, so if they just keep vanishing they’ll eventually gut their own ki supply. The cycle will eventually end in your favor as long as you have good timing.

true, but that'd require alot of super counters which are really hard to land...though im not sure if you can Z-counter it...since you stagger

[SuperCrumpets]

you only need to win it if they have enough ki for a super thats hard to vanish

[weirdkid5]

Originally posted by BRIMStone:

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

Yea but Super Counter doesn’t require Ki or skill points, so if they just keep vanishing they’ll eventually gut their own ki supply. The cycle will eventually end in your favor as long as you have good timing.

true, but that'd require alot of super counters which are really hard to land...though im not sure if you can Z-counter it...since you stagger

I don’t believe you can. The only options against a Super Counter are Vanish or your own Super Counter.

So vanish wars aren’t nearly as much as an issue as the potential of ACTUAL infinite Super Counter wars, since they cost no resources. But constantly hitting 2 frame windows back to back? Someone is eventually going to mess up, even pros.

[Mister Father]

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

Originally posted by Korrag (Slaughter):

the problem is, right after u super counter they can vanish again, so the cycle just repeats

Yea but Super Counter doesn’t require Ki or skill points, so if they just keep vanishing they’ll eventually gut their own ki supply. The cycle will eventually end in your favor as long as you have good timing.

Brah, Super counters online are not a consistent solution to this lol.

[weirdkid5]

Originally posted by Your New Daddy:

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

Yea but Super Counter doesn’t require Ki or skill points, so if they just keep vanishing they’ll eventually gut their own ki supply. The cycle will eventually end in your favor as long as you have good timing.

Brah, Super counters online are not a consistent solution to this lol.

It’s literally your only option to win a vanish war if you have less Ki and need to save your skill points.

Whether it’s consistent or not that’s literally all you got.

[Lunrae]

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

Originally posted by Your New Daddy:

Brah, Super counters online are not a consistent solution to this lol.

It’s literally your only option to win a vanish war if you have less Ki and need to save your skill points.

Whether it’s consistent or not that’s literally all you got.

Interesting. That may be the solution yeah, even though it's harder to pull off consistently
I would still rather have a solution like BT3 when a big clash happens and it resets the status quo.

You can still miss a vanish sometimes, but it's better to have the mechanic be like "okay you both managed to do it 4 times in a row so let's reset it here"

The biggest problem I have with it currently is that it slows the fight so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much it becomes boring

[_Narukami_]

I think there's 2 mandatory things they should do to fix this
1 - Make the timing a lot harder to hit, that way it actually feels rewarding when you do it.
2 - Increase the ki per vanish, in BT3 used to be 1 ki bar, which means at maximum 5 vanishs per character, in ZERO is a 3rd of a ki bear, which is 15 Vanishs, 30 in total, that's just ridiculous