Just so you guys know, Saiyans cannot survive in the vacuum of space

[Shampoo]

As confirmed by Vegeta, the most trustworthy saiyan source, himself in the Moro arc.

This should help remove the impression that the saiyans will survive blowing up the earth in fantasy match ups with other universes.

And this also means that anyone who can send the saiyans into space or blow up the earth and therefore send them into space can defeat the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

[psnjungle]

Originally posted by Shampoo:

As confirmed by Vegeta, the most trustworthy saiyan source, himself in the Moro arc.

This should help remove the impression that the saiyans will survive blowing up the earth in fantasy match ups with other universes.

And this also means that anyone who can send the saiyans into space or blow up the earth and therefore send them into space can defeat the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

Holy-Plot-hole-a-moley. I don't even know where to begin. So I won't.

[SpenserAtlas]

Originally posted by Shampoo:

As confirmed by Vegeta, the most trustworthy saiyan source, himself in the Moro arc.

This should help remove the impression that the saiyans will survive blowing up the earth in fantasy match ups with other universes.

And this also means that anyone who can send the saiyans into space or blow up the earth and therefore send them into space can defeat the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

It's a shame how contradicting things can be, we used to have characters like Broly LITERALLY breathing and powering up in the vacuum of space, to now, knowing they
"can't", watch that soon in a year or so, this will be retconned once more.

[nom3rcy]

So how did Bardock fought Frieza soldiers outside the planet just before Frieza decides to blow that up?

[Heavenly Android 16]

Originally posted by nom3rcy:

So how did Bardock fought Frieza soldiers outside the planet just before Frieza decides to blow that up?

Or Goku vs Beerus in both the movie and series, outside the Earth's atmosphere

[eli_GO]

Originally posted by SpenserAtlas:

Originally posted by Shampoo:

As confirmed by Vegeta, the most trustworthy saiyan source, himself in the Moro arc.

This should help remove the impression that the saiyans will survive blowing up the earth in fantasy match ups with other universes.

And this also means that anyone who can send the saiyans into space or blow up the earth and therefore send them into space can defeat the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

It's a shame how contradicting things can be, we used to have characters like Broly LITERALLY breathing and powering up in the vacuum of space, to now, knowing they
"can't", watch that soon in a year or so, this will be retconned once more.

That's not canon

Originally posted by nom3rcy:

So how did Bardock fought Frieza soldiers outside the planet just before Frieza decides to blow that up?

The Bardock special is not canon either. In Minus and DBS Broly never leaves the planet's atmosphere and only fires his energy blast from a moderate distance above the ground.

Originally posted by Heavenly Android 16:

Or Goku vs Beerus in both the movie and series, outside the Earth's atmosphere

If we take into account that they are still fighting in the exosphere, it is possible that he survives. Remember that the exosphere is 700+ KM above sea level and this is where many sent satellites are found, satellites that look like they are in space but in reality did not leave the atmospheric layer.

[Vlady]

ACTUALLY they both CAN and CAN'T.

The reason they can't do that, unlike frieza's race, is that as a race they aren't made to survive in space, drop a baby Saiyan in space and he'll die.

BUT once they reach a certain power level it stops being that much of a hassle if you analyze facts.

Space is simply very cold and devoid of oxygen, so technically speaking, as long as you reach a certain power level you should be able to technically ignore those problems.

It's sorta like when they fight underwater, they don't instantly die drowning randomly, but keep on fighting regardless of what's happening.

So in extreme cold they can easily survive, but about oxygen? That ain't a problem either.

All we actually need oxygen for is to get energy, we burn oxygen and use the resulting energy to survive, and tbh, if we were to burn ALL of the oxygen present on earth, that still wouldn't even come close to a single kamehameha in those later super arcs, so basically without oxygen they would need to spare 0.00001% of their energy to breathe for ages.

So to sum it up Saiyans CAN survive in space, just like any other race, once they reach a decent power level

[SadPlatty©]

To be honest - I just figured they would take a super deep breath and would be constantly exhaling in very small amounts (to combat the theory you would just explode if you hold your breath and leap into a vacuum).

Way back in Dragon Ball, Goku preforms training with Karen in order to take the "super water" or whatever, which ended up mostly being breathing exercises and reading your opponent.

Later - he goes to Kami and Mr.Popo also teaches him breathing techniques because they are so high up, that breathing normal would wear you out (like climbing a mountain, at some point the air's thinness becomes a concern).

At the start of Z, they even mostly follow the rules as they need ships from Bulma/her father, and all that. What doesn't make sense is how every planet has a livable atmosphere for all races (as Namek would have a drastically different temperature/atmosphere make-up/etc).

By the time we got to Super - these guys are probably able to "hold their breath" for at least 20 minutes; which arguably most of the fights would be pretty brisk, so that to me checked out. This is also however why you still wouldn't see randos in space though - like Krillin who did not do all of that same training (his was more technique and strategy vs power and raw endurance).

[SpenserAtlas]

Originally posted by eli_GO:

Originally posted by SpenserAtlas:

It's a shame how contradicting things can be, we used to have characters like Broly LITERALLY breathing and powering up in the vacuum of space, to now, knowing they
"can't", watch that soon in a year or so, this will be retconned once more.

That's not canon

It is, Toyotaro confirmed that everything is canon to its own timeline, including dragon ball heroes, they just have separate storylines.

[eli_GO]

Originally posted by SpenserAtlas:

Originally posted by eli_GO:

That's not canon

It is, Toyotaro confirmed that everything is canon to its own timeline, including dragon ball heroes, they just have separate storylines.

I need a link to that. Still, just because something is canon in one continuity doesn't mean it is canon in another, and you know very well which continuity I'm referring to when I say it's not canon.
Furthermore, canon means when the events linked to something are supported by its creator's foundation. The fact that Toyotaro has said that each event is canon in its own dimension or timeline does not mean that he supports these actions in his work.

Edit: Another thing I should mention, if what you say about Toyotaro is real, you are also stepping on that basis yourself since Toyotaro himself was the one who pointed out that Sayajins can't breathe in space (Super Manga), I don't think Toyotaro is that hypocritical or forgetting to have said one thing and then denying it with another.

[Mushroom INfected]

Originally posted by eli_GO:

Originally posted by SpenserAtlas:

It's a shame how contradicting things can be, we used to have characters like Broly LITERALLY breathing and powering up in the vacuum of space, to now, knowing they
"can't", watch that soon in a year or so, this will be retconned once more.

That's not canon

Originally posted by nom3rcy:

So how did Bardock fought Frieza soldiers outside the planet just before Frieza decides to blow that up?

The Bardock special is not canon either. In Minus and DBS Broly never leaves the planet's atmosphere and only fires his energy blast from a moderate distance above the ground.

Originally posted by Heavenly Android 16:

Or Goku vs Beerus in both the movie and series, outside the Earth's atmosphere

If we take into account that they are still fighting in the exosphere, it is possible that he survives. Remember that the exosphere is 700+ KM above sea level and this is where many sent satellites are found, satellites that look like they are in space but in reality did not leave the atmospheric layer.

??? he literally left the planet in the broly movie, I believe you missed the moment when he is in space and does the same thing he did in ova.

[Mushroom INfected]

Originally posted by eli_GO:

Originally posted by SpenserAtlas:

It is, Toyotaro confirmed that everything is canon to its own timeline, including dragon ball heroes, they just have separate storylines.

I need a link to that. Still, just because something is canon in one continuity doesn't mean it is canon in another, and you know very well which continuity I'm referring to when I say it's not canon.
Furthermore, canon means when the events linked to something are supported by its creator's foundation. The fact that Toyotaro has said that each event is canon in its own dimension or timeline does not mean that he supports these actions in his work.

Edit: Another thing I should mention, if what you say about Toyotaro is real, you are also stepping on that basis yourself since Toyotaro himself was the one who pointed out that Sayajins can't breathe in space (Super Manga), I don't think Toyotaro is that hypocritical or forgetting to have said one thing and then denying it with another.

And canon is different from "official" and heroes is not canon, Super and gt should not be canonical chronologically... especially super, since it contradicts the end of z

[mick]

Pretty sure they would die, They really don't like it when its going to happen. I cant rem tho but didn't vegeta go super on earths moon

[eli_GO]

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

Originally posted by eli_GO:

That's not canon



The Bardock special is not canon either. In Minus and DBS Broly never leaves the planet's atmosphere and only fires his energy blast from a moderate distance above the ground.




If we take into account that they are still fighting in the exosphere, it is possible that he survives. Remember that the exosphere is 700+ KM above sea level and this is where many sent satellites are found, satellites that look like they are in space but in reality did not leave the atmospheric layer.

??? he literally left the planet in the broly movie, I believe you missed the moment when he is in space and does the same thing he did in ova.

If that is true, I leave you this link with the movie and you can tell me the exact minute. " I believe you missed the moment when he is in space", that is, yes, in a spaceship, right? " and does the same thing he did in ova". I haven't seen baby Broly grabbing Paragus's arm, getting angry, and flying all over space with his dad like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK2esG1uFY

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

And canon is different from "official"

I know the difference between canon and official, there's a reason why I put the definition there, but I answered as if everything was "canon" for the other guy I was answering who had said that Toyotaro said everything was "canon on their timelines."

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

Super and gt should not be canonical chronologically... especially super, since it contradicts the end of z

Super contradicts? In the ending of Z we only see Base Goku and Uub Fight. I mean, there's nothing seen that could tell us that Super didn't happen, it's not like Goku transformed into Super Sayajin 3 and said "this is my most powerful form." Furthermore, in the ending of Z Bulma comments that she hasn't seen Goku in a long time, something that in the manga can already be known that he has been training on Beerus's planet for a long time now (super hero arc).

[Mushroom INfected]

Originally posted by eli_GO:

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

??? he literally left the planet in the broly movie, I believe you missed the moment when he is in space and does the same thing he did in ova.

If that is true, I leave you this link with the movie and you can tell me the exact minute. " I believe you missed the moment when he is in space", that is, yes, in a spaceship, right? " and does the same thing he did in ova". I haven't seen baby Broly grabbing Paragus's arm, getting angry, and flying all over space with his dad like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK2esG1uFY

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

And canon is different from "official"

I know the difference between canon and official, there's a reason why I put the definition there, but I answered as if everything was "canon" for the other guy I was answering who had said that Toyotaro said everything was "canon on their timelines."

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

Super and gt should not be canonical chronologically... especially super, since it contradicts the end of z

Super contradicts? In the ending of Z we only see Base Goku and Uub Fight. I mean, there's nothing seen that could tell us that Super didn't happen, it's not like Goku transformed into Super Sayajin 3 and said "this is my most powerful form." Furthermore, in the ending of Z Bulma comments that she hasn't seen Goku in a long time, something that in the manga can already be known that he has been training on Beerus's planet for a long time now (super hero arc).

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[Mushroom INfected]

Originally posted by eli_GO:

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

??? he literally left the planet in the broly movie, I believe you missed the moment when he is in space and does the same thing he did in ova.

If that is true, I leave you this link with the movie and you can tell me the exact minute. " I believe you missed the moment when he is in space", that is, yes, in a spaceship, right? " and does the same thing he did in ova". I haven't seen baby Broly grabbing Paragus's arm, getting angry, and flying all over space with his dad like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK2esG1uFY

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

And canon is different from "official"

I know the difference between canon and official, there's a reason why I put the definition there, but I answered as if everything was "canon" for the other guy I was answering who had said that Toyotaro said everything was "canon on their timelines."

Originally posted by Mushroom INfected:

Super and gt should not be canonical chronologically... especially super, since it contradicts the end of z

Super contradicts? In the ending of Z we only see Base Goku and Uub Fight. I mean, there's nothing seen that could tell us that Super didn't happen, it's not like Goku transformed into Super Sayajin 3 and said "this is my most powerful form." Furthermore, in the ending of Z Bulma comments that she hasn't seen Goku in a long time, something that in the manga can already be known that he has been training on Beerus's planet for a long time now (super hero arc).

How not? if it is said that there was 10 years of peace between the buu saga and the end of Z