70 Dollars, and it's your fault!

[XGear]

I would like to thank all the players who buy these games at these high prices. Thanks to you, we now have a new standard, games coming out as "Basic" for 70 dollars. Founder packs and more daring packages can reach double the price, offering few or significant benefits.
I'm a big fan of Dragon Ball, but I won't play it at launch.
Today they test you with 70 dollars, tomorrow it will be with 100, the high price is the fault of the players who agree to pay for it.

Remember that in addition to "70 dollars", tons of "DLC" will come later costing you a real fortune.....

[Wazii]

Originally posted by Luwae:

Originally posted by Wazii:

Bro, elden ring sold 25 million copies. We're still at 10 million average for the best game, that didn't change. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just giving bs info. Games nowadays are a lot pricier to make than it was before. Having more tools for some parts doesn't mean other parts didn't became a lot more expensive too.

You are correct, after double checking my sources it seems they were quite wrong. I took a second look. Seems the peak of the market was around 1.5m in 2000 and 60 million in 2022
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-best-selling-games-of-2000/1100-2674371/
500-1.5 million copies sold in 2000

https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris
50-70 million in 2022 if we ignore wii sports and GTA.
SO the actual difference should be about 50x not 10x.

[Regulator XIII]

*laughs in money*

[Cake]

you can buy it later on a sale you know? i know games have gotten overpriced but everything else is affected by economy inflation these years. i only buy games during sales since i have more important things to buy....

also game development for high end games nowadays costs a lot you know? some games priced at 70$ actually worth buying at launch >.<

[Luwae]

Originally posted by Wazii:

Originally posted by Luwae:

Bro, elden ring sold 25 million copies. We're still at 10 million average for the best game, that didn't change. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just giving bs info. Games nowadays are a lot pricier to make than it was before. Having more tools for some parts doesn't mean other parts didn't became a lot more expensive too.

You are correct, after double checking my sources it seems they were quite wrong. I took a second look. Seems the peak of the market was around 1.5m in 2000 and 60 million in 2022
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-best-selling-games-of-2000/1100-2674371/
500-1.5 million copies sold in 2000

https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris
50-70 million in 2022 if we ignore wii sports and GTA.
SO the actual difference should be about 50x not 10x.

Skyrim development cost, so end of 2000/start of 2010 was 100 millions, and it was one of the most expensive game to make ever at that time.
Cyberpunk 2077 development cost was 174 millions, without including the marketing. The cost to make a game nowaday is miles away from what it was in 2000. Just the fact of having to pay for using UE5 is a tremendous cost for the devs.

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Games even back then were $50 on average, but take today's inflation in account. Nobody should be surprised, buy it on sale or on a website like Instant Gaming.

[dudemiester108]

Originally posted by Aurora:

All these people in the comments proving your point lmao, nobody cares you can afford to pre order the ultimate edition, because of you the game costs almost a 1/10th of my countrys monthly salary which is an insane price for a single game, this doesn't even include the dlc that will come later which will probably cost another 100$+

I see your point, but the Ultimate Edition does include the DLC that comes out later. You would know that if you actually researched it. What did you think the Ultimate Edition did?

[Squishy]

The real issue is the sheer amount of DLC this game could possible get (and it'll all be stuff that should have been in the game to begin with as usual. Keep in mind who is publishing this game. Bandai). We have a 70 dollar game that could get a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of DLC and it'll not only be full priced dlc (40 dollars now), they likely won't ever put the DLC on sale until 2 or 3 years after the DLC was listed (if at all like many anime games).

People use "inflation" as the catalyst for this 10 dollar price hike. Remember who exactly introduced it first. 2k and Ubisoft of all people. Ubisoft especially has been on a nose dive much more than ever before and have reported record losses every year even before Quartz was introduced.

2K straight up introduced it with the NBA2K24 entry. Ubisoft pounced on the opportunity in a heartbeat to capitalize on the trend with their titles and their first "AAAA" title Skull and Bones (That didn't end well).

Keep in mind how many BILLIONS Rockstar's GTA5 made with their casino and it used to be sold as a 60 dollar game (now 40 with the base price drop).

If that alone isn't enough to convince you "inflation" isn't the reason for this increase succeeding, you're a lost cause and the people deserve this severe loss.

[Elrohir Telemmaitë]

Originally posted by Squishy:

The real issue is the sheer amount of DLC this game could possible get (and it'll all be stuff that should have been in the game to begin with as usual. Keep in mind who is publishing this game. Bandai). We have a 70 dollar game that could get a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of DLC and it'll not only be full priced dlc (40 dollars now), they likely won't ever put the DLC on sale until 2 or 3 years after the DLC was listed (if at all like many anime games).

People use "inflation" as the catalyst for this 10 dollar price hike. Remember who exactly introduced it first Ubisoft. Of all people. The company that has been on a nose dive much more than ever before and have reported record losses every year even before Quartz was introduced.

Keep in mind how many BILLIONS Rockstar's GTA5 made with their casino and it used to be sold as a 60 dollar game (now 40 with the base price drop).

If that alone isn't enough to convince you "inflation" isn't the reason for this increase succeeding, you're a lost cause and the people deserve this severe loss.

Dude. Inflation certainly is the root cause. It has effected everything in life, not just gaming. If you refuse to accept that hard fact then the rock you live under must be very cozy

[Wazii]

Originally posted by Squishy:

If that alone isn't enough to convince you "inflation" isn't the reason for this increase succeeding, you're a lost cause and the people deserve this severe loss.

You are 100% correct... Most of these companies have been making record profits for over 10 years. (Making more profit this year then the previous year) The problem is that the investors expect them to keep the bubble growing and not stagnate now. So they somehow NEED to make more raw profits then the previous year.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/259131/capcoms-annual-net-income/
Capcom 2013 was the last year that capcom didn't make record profits.


while namco expected to only make 6.4 billion this year but so far made 6.7 billion.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/217498/annual-gross-profit-of-namco-bandai/
only 2.4billion in PROFITS this year and we're only halfway there. (Gross profit is money left over after paying all the bills/production cost) Woe is me; inflation is hitting so hard that we only made 2.4 billion in half a year after paying everyone.

EA sports
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EA/electronic-arts/gross-profit
Been in a uphill trend since 2009.

Activision Blizzard is in the same boat.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/delisted/ATVI/Activision%20Blizzard/gross-profit
We only made 5.3 billion 2022 instead of 6.4 billion like last year 2021 Woe is us; let's fire half the staff to compensate and keep the investors happy. The bubble won't pop if we become more aggressive in our monetization and blame it on inflation.


Do companies who make billions in gross profit really sound like they're struggling with inflation? Their underpaid staff might be the company itself isn't.

[Squishy]

Originally posted by Elrohir Telemmaitë:

Originally posted by Squishy:

The real issue is the sheer amount of DLC this game could possible get (and it'll all be stuff that should have been in the game to begin with as usual. Keep in mind who is publishing this game. Bandai). We have a 70 dollar game that could get a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of DLC and it'll not only be full priced dlc (40 dollars now), they likely won't ever put the DLC on sale until 2 or 3 years after the DLC was listed (if at all like many anime games).

People use "inflation" as the catalyst for this 10 dollar price hike. Remember who exactly introduced it first Ubisoft. Of all people. The company that has been on a nose dive much more than ever before and have reported record losses every year even before Quartz was introduced.

Keep in mind how many BILLIONS Rockstar's GTA5 made with their casino and it used to be sold as a 60 dollar game (now 40 with the base price drop).

If that alone isn't enough to convince you "inflation" isn't the reason for this increase succeeding, you're a lost cause and the people deserve this severe loss.

Dude. Inflation certainly is the root cause. It has effected everything in life, not just gaming. If you refuse to accept that hard fact then the rock you live under must be very cozy

I'm convinced you didn't read a single thing I said, let alone did any kind of research for yourself.

Inflation is debunked by the fact that NES and SNES games during their eras costed the same, sometimes even more. The 60 dollar baseline was set in place for 2 decades at least (and that was LESS than several NES and SNES titles) as the maximum baseline AAA companies would sell their games at and A-AA companies sold at most, 40 and at least 50 respectively.

These same AAA companies have made literal hundreds of millions from their editions alone and BILLIONS off of DLC and hopped on the "inflation" excuse because they know people like you exist and are too gullible and uninformed to know better.

The only one living under a rock is you. You come off as someone who just started gaming yesterday if this is your only argument. You're a prime example of someone who - like I already said - is a lost cause and deserve this price hike.

[Squishy]

Originally posted by Wazii:

Originally posted by Squishy:

If that alone isn't enough to convince you "inflation" isn't the reason for this increase succeeding, you're a lost cause and the people deserve this severe loss.

You are 100% correct... Most of these companies have been making record profits for over 10 years. (Making more profit this year then the previous year) The problem is that the investors expect them to keep the bubble growing and not stagnate now. So they somehow NEED to make more raw profits then the previous year.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/259131/capcoms-annual-net-income/
Capcom 2013 was the last year that capcom didn't make record profits.


while namco expected to only make 6.4 billion this year but so far made 6.7 billion.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/217498/annual-gross-profit-of-namco-bandai/
only 2.4billion in PROFITS this year and we're only halfway there. (Gross profit is money left over after paying all the bills/production cost) Woe is me; inflation is hitting so hard that we only made 2.4 billion in half a year after paying everyone.

EA sports
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EA/electronic-arts/gross-profit
Been in a uphill trend since 2009.

Activision Blizzard is in the same boat.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/delisted/ATVI/Activision%20Blizzard/gross-profit
We only made 5.3 billion 2022 instead of 6.4 billion like last year 2021 Woe is us; let's fire half the staff to compensate and keep the investors happy. The bubble won't pop if we become more aggressive in our monetization and blame it on inflation.


Do companies who make billions in gross profit really sound like they're struggling with inflation? Their underpaid staff might be the company itself isn't.

It's honestly as if these people are so desperate to defend their corporate overlords that they resort to foregoing any and all basic logic and reasoning.

You have companies like EA, Blizzard, Ubisoft (more understanding for these guys since they've been losing money and have canceled countless projects lately and are going all in on the new Assassins Creed game, especially after their "AAAA" game failed miserably), whoever, laying off massive percentages of employees and even shutting down entire studios regardless of how successful they are (RIP, Tango Gameworks and Hi-Fi Rush) because of "cutting costs" and "times are rough" while simultaneously making literal billions and hundreds of millions in profits anyway and CEOs getting "laid off" with golden parachutes of several hundred million dollars no less.

All of this conveniently disregarded by people defending the price hike and AAA companies here.

We're talking about companies that make literal hundreds of millions and billions every year, but, inflation is the real reason for the 10 dollar price hike. Not greed. Not the opportunity to make even more money. It can't be. It's impossible.

People really think their opinions are more fact than actual facts, regardless of whatever statistics or references you give them.

[Vlady]

Poor people sure are cute xD

[wizard master結城晶子リ]

Originally posted by Vlady:

Poor people sure are cute xD

lol have useen the sparking zero hater on youtube bro is so stupid

[GladiatorB200]

$70 never worth it
no game should be that pricey, paying not for more but cause they can get away with it

[Vlady]

Originally posted by GladiatorB200:

$70 never worth it
no game should be that pricey, paying not for more but cause they can get away with it

Said the guy who only plays free-to-plays xD
Totally trustworthy
Get a job already