Charakter wish list

[Bilbo Baggins]

which charakter/s do you hope and wish for to be in the game?

i hope for OG DB charakters like king piccolo

[🔥NightFlame️‍🔥]

Babidi with his fappinator ultimate or nah

[Pink_Rosè120]

Publicado originalmente por Buster:

It'll likely surpass BT3's and RB2's roster by the time there done with DLC.

No dlc, base game please.

[Arancil]

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

Publicado originalmente por ☕ Grüntherspöth 🍟:

I bet even with all future DLC, the roste wont even reach 50% of TB3...

This is quite the claim. I don’t think this will be true, especially with DLC added on top. I will say one thing though. I bet this game has much more variety than BT3 even if the roster is smaller. I’ll take the smaller roster if every character has movesets like Raging Blast 2.

Eh. You can match the number of movesets of RB2 and bulk the roster up with lots of characters that don't have original movesets. There's literally no downside to it. You'll get the variety of one game and the roster of another. There will always be some people who cry if there are any characters with copied movesets, but honestly, they deserve to be ignored.

[Lulu1221]

ALL the characters, not just some, this is the true wish we want

[TheReelReese]

Publicado originalmente por Arancil:

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

This is quite the claim. I don’t think this will be true, especially with DLC added on top. I will say one thing though. I bet this game has much more variety than BT3 even if the roster is smaller. I’ll take the smaller roster if every character has movesets like Raging Blast 2.

Eh. You can match the number of movesets of RB2 and bulk the roster up with lots of characters that don't have original movesets. There's literally no downside to it. You'll get the variety of one game and the roster of another. There will always be some people who cry if there are any characters with copied movesets, but honestly, they deserve to be ignored.

If this was still 2010 it wouldn’t be a downside, but bulking up the roster with waste is just less work they’re going to put into the actual characters. Gaming is not the same love-letter to franchises that it used to be.

Between greed, laziness, and ♥♥♥♥ like DLC… I’ll stick to my original claim.

[Arancil]

Publicado originalmente por James:

Publicado originalmente por Arancil:

Eh. You can match the number of movesets of RB2 and bulk the roster up with lots of characters that don't have original movesets. There's literally no downside to it.

There is a downside, though, it's development time that could go towards polishing other areas of the game. Considering we're facing the possibility of no local versus modes, the online needs to be flawless.
For characters, I would honestly cut a lot of characters that nobody ever uses, characters like Devilman or Android 15, that were only included as a mark on the back of the box. I remember Atari making a huge deal about Budokai Tenkaichi 1 being the first Dragon Ball game with a playable Chaiotzu, as if anyone asked for him. We don't need to go the FighterZ route, either, having seven versions of Goku, especially when this series is known for transformations.

Chiaotzu? We asked for him. Everybody I played this with loved the huge roster and several of my friends were psyched Chiaotzu was in. We played as all the characters - some more than others, obviously, but the idea that nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ if the roster is or isn't bigger just isn't true. A roster with almost every imaginable fighter available was indeed a huge deal.

I'm not saying this game should have BT3's roister either, it's just a question of copy movesets being fine if you can easily bulk the roster up, so long as the moveset variety is good to begin with. I'm just saying that if RB2 had the same moveset variety but doubled the roster it would keep its variety, but people will still ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan over the lack of variety because copy characters exist to begin with.

And yes, cut Devilman, cut the Freeza henchmen, cut the anime filler arc characters, cut all of GT and others by all means. For BT3 they could reuse a ton of content from BT2, so this game obviously isn't in the same position.

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

Publicado originalmente por Arancil:

Eh. You can match the number of movesets of RB2 and bulk the roster up with lots of characters that don't have original movesets. There's literally no downside to it. You'll get the variety of one game and the roster of another. There will always be some people who cry if there are any characters with copied movesets, but honestly, they deserve to be ignored.

If this was still 2010 it wouldn’t be a downside, but bulking up the roster with waste is just less work they’re going to put into the actual characters. Gaming is not the same love-letter to franchises that it used to be.

Between greed, laziness, and ♥♥♥♥ like DLC… I’ll stick to my original claim.

If this was 2010 bulking up the roster with "waste" also meant time not spent on other things. Not sure why you think 13 years going by would change how reality, time and budgets work.

As for love letters, shovelware based on franchises has been around as long as franchises have been made into video games, ET being the most infamous example. If we're talking Dragon Ball, Super Butouden 2 and 3 were crappy, unoriginal fighting games with mediocre sprites, minimal animation, and no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Gaming was never some sort of wonderland where franchises blossomed, some franchises have just been lucky enough to have rights holders that actually care about what it's used for.

Factoring in greed and laziness, having RB2's moveset variety shouldn't be considered a valid option either, so I don't see the point of that.

[TheReelReese]

There was hardly any waste in RB2’s roster and the variety in comparison to every single DBZ game before (and many after) is night and day.

What do you mean 13 years going by hasn’t changed anything? So let me get this straight… you think the climate of the gaming industry is the same as 2010? Wow.

There was obviously duds in every gaming franchise and you know what I meant by my statement. There is no need to be so literal for the sake of trying to argue pointless semantics, we’re better than that.

There are double, maybe even triple the amount of undedicated, unmotivated cashgrabs in 2023 in comparison to 10-15 years ago for every gaming franchise.

Really? Factoring in greed and laziness means that RB2’s variety is a long shot? Huh… almost like that was my point or something… weird.

[Ozzina Arcane]

For me it's mainly Dabura. He gets the short end of the stick in a lot of games.

[TheReelReese]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzina Arcane:

For me it's mainly Dabura. He gets the short end of the stick in a lot of games.

Does he though? I feel Dabura is present more than he isn’t. Other than Fighterz, games that exclude the Buu Saga entirely (Burst Limit), and Xenoverse1… I can’t think of a game where he wasn’t available.

Edit: Maybe Raging Blast 1 because I haven’t replayed it since Raging Blast 2 came out and I don’t remember it.

[Ozzina Arcane]

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

Publicado originalmente por Ozzina Arcane:

For me it's mainly Dabura. He gets the short end of the stick in a lot of games.

Does he though? I feel Dabura is present more than he isn’t. Other than Fighterz, games that exclude the Buu Saga entirely (Burst Limit), and Xenoverse1… I can’t think of a game where he wasn’t available.

Edit: Maybe Raging Blast 1 because I haven’t replayed it since Raging Blast 2 came out and I don’t remember it.

He wasn't in Ultimate Tenkaichi, which made the Buu saga very bizarre in that since most of the fights in that were just described in text. He also wasn't in Xenoverse 2 until they added a story update like a year after release. And no he wasn't in Raging Blast 1, because they advertised him as a new character for 2. He's had a lot of absences in games since the PS3/Xbox 360 era began.

[TheReelReese]

Publicado originalmente por Ozzina Arcane:

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

Does he though? I feel Dabura is present more than he isn’t. Other than Fighterz, games that exclude the Buu Saga entirely (Burst Limit), and Xenoverse1… I can’t think of a game where he wasn’t available.

Edit: Maybe Raging Blast 1 because I haven’t replayed it since Raging Blast 2 came out and I don’t remember it.

He wasn't in Ultimate Tenkaichi, which made the Buu saga very bizarre in that since most of the fights in that were just described in text. He also wasn't in Xenoverse 2 until they added a story update like a year after release. And no he wasn't in Raging Blast 1, because they advertised him as a new character for 2. He's had a lot of absences in games since the PS3/Xbox 360 era began.

Could’ve sworn he was in Ultimate Tenkaichi, but oh well. I find it a little strange Janemba made it and Dabura didn’t.

[Ozzina Arcane]

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

Publicado originalmente por Ozzina Arcane:

He wasn't in Ultimate Tenkaichi, which made the Buu saga very bizarre in that since most of the fights in that were just described in text. He also wasn't in Xenoverse 2 until they added a story update like a year after release. And no he wasn't in Raging Blast 1, because they advertised him as a new character for 2. He's had a lot of absences in games since the PS3/Xbox 360 era began.

Could’ve sworn he was in Ultimate Tenkaichi, but oh well. I find it a little strange Janemba made it and Dabura didn’t.

For a pre-Super game it had one of the most baffling roster line ups in the series. It didn't have Dabura, or Guldo. It also didn't have Cooler or Baby in spite of having giant boss fight versions of those characters. The GT section of the game literally skipped straight to SS4 Gogeta vs Omega Shenron while not having any other Super Saiyan 4 characters.

[Arancil]

Publicado originalmente por TheReelReese:

There was hardly any waste in RB2’s roster and the variety in comparison to every single DBZ game before (and many after) is night and day.

What do you mean 13 years going by hasn’t changed anything? So let me get this straight… you think the climate of the gaming industry is the same as 2010? Wow.

There was obviously duds in every gaming franchise and you know what I meant by my statement. There is no need to be so literal for the sake of trying to argue pointless semantics, we’re better than that.

There are double, maybe even triple the amount of undedicated, unmotivated cashgrabs in 2023 in comparison to 10-15 years ago for every gaming franchise.

Really? Factoring in greed and laziness means that RB2’s variety is a long shot? Huh… almost like that was my point or something… weird.

Right. 2010, the era where we got EA's project ten dollars, every vendor had a ton of pre-order content exclusive to them was this great time in gaming while the year that brought Hogwart's Legacy and Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is the year where the love for franchises is dead and gone. I don't relish what some companies are doing in 2023, but we're talking about a year that gave us games like Tears of the Kingdom, Mario Wonder, Baldur's Gate 3, Shadow Gambit, Armored Core 6, RE4 remake, Dead Space remake and Pizza Tower to name a few. The only way to act as if we're in a gaming hellscape is if you're actively trying to push that agenda.

I heard people say the same types of things you do now back in 2010 as well. Gaming was in the worst state ever, not like it was in the late 90s.

The 90s, where Nintendo's first go at Pokemon Stadium only had 40 playable monsters, with the rest intended to be released on a separate disk for the 64DD - forcing you to buy both an add-on system and a second set of hardware if you wanted the majority of the roster. Yeah, companies weren't greedy or lazy back then.

[TheReelReese]

Publicado originalmente por James:

Publicado originalmente por Arancil:

I'm not saying this game should have BT3's roster either, it's just a question of copy movesets being fine if you can easily bulk the roster up, so long as the moveset variety is good to begin with. I'm just saying that if RB2 had the same moveset variety but doubled the roster it would keep its variety, but people will still ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan over the lack of variety because copy characters exist to begin with.

My main point was that I'd rather have a highly polished game over another BT3 filled with copypasta characters and movesets. You even agree that nonsense like Freeza Soldiers don't belong which are different models with copypasta move sets, so why exactly are you calling people who want that babies? I think the other guy was right. You want to argue for the sake of arguing.

I guess I said a bit too much to that guy because it deleted my comment, lol. But yeah, he just wants to argue. Look at his post history.

[FollowCondex]

Publicado originalmente por Bilbo Baggins:

which charakter/s do you hope and wish for to be in the game?

i hope for OG DB charakters like king piccolo

Even when we pray about it, that's not going to happen DLC are here to stay, it's bandai and we know that. But one of the main characteristics of the TENKAICHIS budokai are the giga size of the roster, here are my characters:

Goku
Bulma
Master Roshi
Krillin
Yamcha
Tien Shinhan
Piccolo
Gohan (Teen)
Vegeta
Frieza
Cell
Android 18
Trunks (Future)
Majin Buu
Beerus
Whis
Goku (Super Saiyan God)
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue)
Hit
Jiren
Goku Black
Zamasu
Chi-Chi
Ox-King
Launch
Puar
Oolong
Raditz
Nappa
Dodoria
Zarbon
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Guldo
Dende
Mr. Popo
Kami
King Kai
Bubbles
Gregory
Pikkon
Supreme Kai
Kibito
Dabura
Babidi
Hercule/Mr. Satan
Videl
Pan
Chi-Chi (GT)
Goten (GT)
Uub
Super 17
Omega Shenron
Bulla
Dr. Gero
Android 17 (DBS)
Android 16
Gotenks
Kid Buu
Pan (GT)
Tora
Shugesh
Borgos
Fasha
Cooler
Turles
Lord Slug
Garlic Jr.
Zangya
Bojack
Bido
Bujin
Broly
Paragus
Bio-Broly
King Vegeta
Bardock
Gine
Future Trunks (DBS)
Mai (DBS)
Pilaf (DBS)
Shu (DBS)
Sorbet
Tagoma
Shisami
Ginyu Force (Tagoma Ginyu, Burter Ginyu, Jeice Ginyu, Guldo Ginyu, Captain Ginyu Ginyu)
Jaco
Tights
Zuno
Monaka
Berryblue
Sidra
Rou
Quitela
Arak
Cukatail
Vados
Champa
Fuwa
Gowasu
Kusu
Zamasu (Fused)
Dyspo
Top
Ribrianne
Jimeze
Kahseral
Toppo
Caulifla
Kale
Cabba
Kefla
Saonel
Pilina
Oregano
Camparri
Vikal
Kakunsa
Rozie
Gamisaras
Biarra
Narirama
Jilcol
Rubalt
Zirloin
Rabanra
Zarbuto
Catopesra
Frieza Soldier
Zarbon (Frieza Soldier)
Appule
Raspberry
Toobi
Cabira
Cui
Sorbet's Spaceship Soldier
Babidi's Minion
Yakon
Pui Pui
Spopovich
Yamu
Dore
Neiz
Salza
Cooler's Armored Squadron (Dore, Neiz, Salza)
Meta-Cooler
Hatchiyack
Dr. Wheelo
Turles Crusher Corps (Turles, Amond, Cacao, Daizu, Rasin)
Lord Slug's Henchmen (Lord Slug, Angila, Medamatcha, Wings)
Garlic Jr.'s Minions (Garlic Jr., Nicky, Ginger, Sansho)
Bojack's Gang (Bojack, Bido, Bujin, Kogu, Zangya)
Broly's Minions (Broly, Paragus, Bio-Broly)
Janemba
Hirudegarn
Super Buu
Gotenks Buu
Gohan Buu
Krillin (Frieza Soldier)
Olibu
Pikkon (Otherworld Tournament)
Bido
Bujin
Goku (GT)
Vegeta (GT)
Gohan (GT)
Trunks (GT)
Goten (GT)
Pan (GT)
Giru
Nuova Shenron
Eis Shenron
Syn Shenron
Arale Norimaki
Senbei Norimaki
Obotchaman
Dr. Slump Characters (Arale, Senbei, Obotchaman)
Suno
Upa
Nam
King Piccolo
Piano
Tambourine
Cymbal
Drum
Launch (Good)
Launch (Bad)
King Yemma
Cell Juniors
Ginyu Force (DBS)
Yurin
Potage
Gryll
Orin Temple Monk
Shisami (Resurrection 'F')
Cell (Full Power)
Captain Ginyu (Frog)
Great Ape Baby
Lord Yao