You will never do better than Dragon ball Z

[Mid9Mascarade]

You will never do better than Dragon ball Z


Put DBSuper as DLC! and give us the story of the original Dragon Balll Z! Budokai 1 had the best story. Small parts of the story told by the narrator.
Budokai 2 had a good story with the pawns too!

Do this!

We don't want Xenoverse 3 or Fighter Z

who agrees ?

[Imposter]

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Originally posted by Blasted:

Curious: What are your criticisms of DB?

Looks borning to me personally. Theres also been nonthing that made me want to go back and watch it. Cant even say it's because the anime is old af, because my favoraite one of all time is yu yu hakushou, which was around the time of the original db. So yeah, just looks borning i guess. It's their job to make their anime grab the audience, and just didn't for me. Heh.

"Yu Yu Hakusho" came out in October 10, 1992

"Dragon Ball" came out in 1986.

Though, admittedly I cannot say a thing about Yu Yu Hakusho I never watched it, therefore I cannot compare them.

But what I can say about Dragon Ball is that it is more dialogue and story-driven than its future sequels. There are some continuity flaws with DB, sure, however there are elements that made Dragon Ball more cohesive in terms of continuity compared to its future sequels. There are tons of continuity flaws with sequels.

Dragon Ball had better animated fights that emphasized their 'fighting styles'/techniques. Though later on, as Goku developed more of his ki and training his "fighting stance" is what we have today and it is never again explained why fighters seem to have this no defensive-stance technique in the newer DBZ, or DBS. Everyone seems to just "stand" with no guard in newer episodes.

Goku went through trials that made more sense and had that classic "Kung Fu" vibe, where not everything involved a fist for a better fighter, but good deeds and virtue. Goku had this pure "curiosity" that made him a great fighter; He believed "failure" is just a practice to succeed and actually lost twice during the tournaments for deeper reasons, as "Master Roshi" would emphasize, and Master Roshi helped prevent from Goku winning. Though this doesn't mean that Goku should lose in the newer episodes.. obviously he did, but they were for dying, that's it. His curiosity all helped him learn at a greater rate because of his persistence, and diligence. He also remained humble and eager to listen, and absorb information.. A hallmark of the original Goku.

I do like the spiritual element of DBZ/S, but they aren't really important to the over-arching story, or plot they made it all just filler in DBS; A joke. Though Kami had a small impact toward the end of the original DB he still taught the other contestants about humility and honor, during the final tournament of DB.

The spiritual element of DB is far greater, and Goku's attachment to his #4 Dragon-Ball when he knew nothing of its power made the sentiment all the more better, even after he knew what it did, he disregarded its potential, in favor for the remembrance of his Grandfather. Though wasn't opposed to using it for an important wish.. He believed it was also part of his grandpa Gohan. He truly loved his Grandfather.

Goku in the original DB, or accurately put: His sentimentality to people is what truly illustrates Goku's good nature. His Grandfather taught him many lessons at a young age and Goku was able to internalize the importance of people and helping them without wanting a due reward. He seemed more like monk, through and through. His collection of friends during the whole thing was interesting, and his appeal for forsaking money/riches.

But most of explained above gets side-lined in future DB's because of the areas they take place, and just regarding 'regular' people, in general as powerless and feeble; Just a "thing" to revive if such a case came up, which was just about every final fight with every villain in DBZ/DBS.

EVEN THOUGH it happened in DB with Cymbal and Tambourine the connection with Goku's best friend 'Krillin' had a true impact because most of the time focused between Krillin and Goku, as Goku's first fighting companion.

Though there are ton of "macguffin's" and filler in DB: each had their specific purpose and importance throughout the duration of DB. It wasn't so much a one-time deal. Even for others he met and made friends(never to be seen again) there were lessons to be learned from them... "Konkichi" comes to mind.

If you haven't given the old DB a true chance, you should. There are philosophical and spiritual elements contained in it. It has a spiritual and cultural nod to reality. It respects the contrast of reality.

What I can say, isn't nearly enough to really understand the original show. It's nothing like its sequels in terms of lessons and impacts of Goku's trials. I encourage you to give it a shot. After all, if it weren't for DB: we wouldn't have DBZ or DBS, in the first place.

[psnjungle]

Originally posted by Blasted:

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Looks borning to me personally. Theres also been nonthing that made me want to go back and watch it. Cant even say it's because the anime is old af, because my favoraite one of all time is yu yu hakushou, which was around the time of the original db. So yeah, just looks borning i guess. It's their job to make their anime grab the audience, and just didn't for me. Heh.

"Yu Yu Hakusho" came out in October 10, 1992

"Dragon Ball" came out in 1986.

Though, admittedly I cannot say a thing about Yu Yu Hakusho I never watched it, therefore I cannot compare them.

But what I can say about Dragon Ball is that it is more dialogue and story-driven than its future sequels. There are some continuity flaws with DB, sure, however there are elements that made Dragon Ball more cohesive in terms of continuity compared to its future sequels. There are tons of continuity flaws with sequels.

Dragon Ball had better animated fights that emphasized their 'fighting styles'/techniques. Though later on, as Goku developed more of his ki and training his "fighting stance" is what we have today and it is never again explained why fighters seem to have this no defensive-stance technique in the newer DBZ, or DBS. Everyone seems to just "stand" with no guard in newer episodes.

Goku went through trials that made more sense and had that classic "Kung Fu" vibe, where not everything involved a fist for a better fighter, but good deeds and virtue. Goku had this pure "curiosity" that made him a great fighter; He believed "failure" is just a practice to succeed and actually lost twice during the tournaments for deeper reasons, as "Master Roshi" would emphasize, and Master Roshi helped prevent from Goku winning. Though this doesn't mean that Goku should lose in the newer episodes.. obviously he did, but they were for dying, that's it. His curiosity all helped him learn at a greater rate because of his persistence, and diligence. He also remained humble and eager to listen, and absorb information.. A hallmark of the original Goku.

I do like the spiritual element of DBZ/S, but they aren't really important to the over-arching story, or plot they made it all just filler in DBS; A joke. Though Kami had a small impact toward the end of the original DB he still taught the other contestants about humility and honor, during the final tournament of DB.

The spiritual element of DB is far greater, and Goku's attachment to his #4 Dragon-Ball when he knew nothing of its power made the sentiment all the more better, even after he knew what it did, he disregarded it's potential, in favor for the remembrance of his Grandfather. Though wasn't opposed to using it for an important wish.. Hew believed it was also part of his grandpa Gohan. He truly loved his Grandfather.

Goku in the original DB, or accurately put: His sentimentality to people is what truly illustrates Goku's good nature. His Grandfather taught him many lessons at a young age and Goku was able to internalize the importance of people and helping them without wanting a due reward. He seemed more like monk, through and through. His collection of friends during the whole thing was interesting, and his appeal for forsaking money/riches.

But most of explained above gets side-lined in future DB's because of the areas they take place, and just regarding 'regular' people, in general as powerless and feeble; Just a "thing" to revive if such a case came up, which was just about every final fight with every villain in DBZ/DBS.

EVEN THOUGH it happened in DB with Cymbal and Tambourine the connection with Goku's best friend 'Krillin' had a true impact because most of the time focused between Krillin and Goku, as Goku's first fighting companion.

Though there are ton of "macguffin's" in DB: each had their specific purpose and importance throughout the duration of DB. It wasn't so much a one-time deal. Even for others he met and made friends(never to be seen again) there were lessons to be learned from them... "Konkichi" comes to mind.

If you haven't given the old DB a true chance, you should. There are philosophical and spiritual elements contained in it. It has a spiritual and cultural nod to reality. It respects the contrast of reality.

What I can say, isn't nearly enough to really understand the original show. It's nothing like its sequels in terms of lessons and impacts of Goku's trials. I encourage you to give it a shot. After all, if it weren't for DB: we wouldn't have DBZ or DBS, in the first place.

It makes sense now. Why i never gave this a chance. This stuff lived and died before i was born, so if DBZ was still being marketed by the time i was a little, then its only natural i'd gravitate towards the "easier to understand concepts" of Z. Vs the Complex storytelling of the original DB. All that stuff you explained about the original DB, wouldn't matter to a five year old, or 10 year old. "flashy punches and colors" is more appropriate.

Currently me, would probably love the original DB, (if i ever watched it, which i won't) but as i mentioned in another post, i got so many other anime to watch that has those elements in it. Ironic.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Originally posted by Blasted:

It makes sense now. Why i never gave this a chance. This stuff lived and died before i was born, so if DBZ was still being marketed by the time i was a little, then its only natural i'd gravitate towards the "easier to understand concepts" of Z. Vs the Complex storytelling of the original DB. All that stuff you explained about the original DB, wouldn't matter to a five year old, or 10 year old. "flashy punches and colors" is more appropriate.

Currently me, would probably love the original DB, (if i ever watched it, which i won't) but as i mentioned in another post, i got so many other anime to watch that has those elements in it. Ironic.

Don't let the times deceive you. Though everything in media is a derivative of past lessons before TV, sometimes, you just cannot beat the classics of an era. (As far as structure is concerned.)

All of that "complicated" stuff is just meant that it also includes adults to also understand and watch, not just children admiring Goku's funny personality and charm.

The plot and characters of "Dragon Ball" were loosely modeled on the classic Chinese novel, "Journey to the West", with Goku being Sun Wukong ("Son Goku" in Japanese), Bulma as Tang Sanzang, Oolong as Zhu Bajie, and Yamcha being Sha Wujing.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Originally posted by Blasted:

"Yu Yu Hakusho" came out in October 10, 1992

"Dragon Ball" came out in 1986.

Though, admittedly I cannot say a thing about Yu Yu Hakusho I never watched it, therefore I cannot compare them.

But what I can say about Dragon Ball is that it is more dialogue and story-driven than its future sequels. There are some continuity flaws with DB, sure, however there are elements that made Dragon Ball more cohesive in terms of continuity compared to its future sequels. There are tons of continuity flaws with sequels.

Dragon Ball had better animated fights that emphasized their 'fighting styles'/techniques. Though later on, as Goku developed more of his ki and training his "fighting stance" is what we have today and it is never again explained why fighters seem to have this no defensive-stance technique in the newer DBZ, or DBS. Everyone seems to just "stand" with no guard in newer episodes.

Goku went through trials that made more sense and had that classic "Kung Fu" vibe, where not everything involved a fist for a better fighter, but good deeds and virtue. Goku had this pure "curiosity" that made him a great fighter; He believed "failure" is just a practice to succeed and actually lost twice during the tournaments for deeper reasons, as "Master Roshi" would emphasize, and Master Roshi helped prevent from Goku winning. Though this doesn't mean that Goku should lose in the newer episodes.. obviously he did, but they were for dying, that's it. His curiosity all helped him learn at a greater rate because of his persistence, and diligence. He also remained humble and eager to listen, and absorb information.. A hallmark of the original Goku.

I do like the spiritual element of DBZ/S, but they aren't really important to the over-arching story, or plot they made it all just filler in DBS; A joke. Though Kami had a small impact toward the end of the original DB he still taught the other contestants about humility and honor, during the final tournament of DB.

The spiritual element of DB is far greater, and Goku's attachment to his #4 Dragon-Ball when he knew nothing of its power made the sentiment all the more better, even after he knew what it did, he disregarded it's potential, in favor for the remembrance of his Grandfather. Though wasn't opposed to using it for an important wish.. Hew believed it was also part of his grandpa Gohan. He truly loved his Grandfather.

Goku in the original DB, or accurately put: His sentimentality to people is what truly illustrates Goku's good nature. His Grandfather taught him many lessons at a young age and Goku was able to internalize the importance of people and helping them without wanting a due reward. He seemed more like monk, through and through. His collection of friends during the whole thing was interesting, and his appeal for forsaking money/riches.

But most of explained above gets side-lined in future DB's because of the areas they take place, and just regarding 'regular' people, in general as powerless and feeble; Just a "thing" to revive if such a case came up, which was just about every final fight with every villain in DBZ/DBS.

EVEN THOUGH it happened in DB with Cymbal and Tambourine the connection with Goku's best friend 'Krillin' had a true impact because most of the time focused between Krillin and Goku, as Goku's first fighting companion.

Though there are ton of "macguffin's" in DB: each had their specific purpose and importance throughout the duration of DB. It wasn't so much a one-time deal. Even for others he met and made friends(never to be seen again) there were lessons to be learned from them... "Konkichi" comes to mind.

If you haven't given the old DB a true chance, you should. There are philosophical and spiritual elements contained in it. It has a spiritual and cultural nod to reality. It respects the contrast of reality.

What I can say, isn't nearly enough to really understand the original show. It's nothing like its sequels in terms of lessons and impacts of Goku's trials. I encourage you to give it a shot. After all, if it weren't for DB: we wouldn't have DBZ or DBS, in the first place.

It makes sense now. Why i never gave this a chance. This stuff lived and died before i was born, so if DBZ was still being marketed by the time i was a little, then its only natural i'd gravitate towards the "easier to understand concepts" of Z. Vs the Complex storytelling of the original DB. All that stuff you explained about the original DB, wouldn't matter to a five year old, or 10 year old. "flashy punches and colors" is more appropriate.

Currently me, would probably love the original DB, (if i ever watched it, which i won't) but as i mentioned in another post, i got so many other anime to watch that has those elements in it. Ironic.

I never encountered original DB until well into DBZ. "I was born after it" does not count.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Shocker:

Originally posted by psnjungle:

It makes sense now. Why i never gave this a chance. This stuff lived and died before i was born, so if DBZ was still being marketed by the time i was a little, then its only natural i'd gravitate towards the "easier to understand concepts" of Z. Vs the Complex storytelling of the original DB. All that stuff you explained about the original DB, wouldn't matter to a five year old, or 10 year old. "flashy punches and colors" is more appropriate.

Currently me, would probably love the original DB, (if i ever watched it, which i won't) but as i mentioned in another post, i got so many other anime to watch that has those elements in it. Ironic.

Z continued the moment Dragon Ball ended. It's not that Z was made years later. The series was also only separated in the anime. In the manga it was just called Dragon Ball.

Localization of the manga did split the manga as well, though it's still one long run of Dragon Ball technically.

[psnjungle]

Originally posted by Merlin:

Originally posted by psnjungle:

It makes sense now. Why i never gave this a chance. This stuff lived and died before i was born, so if DBZ was still being marketed by the time i was a little, then its only natural i'd gravitate towards the "easier to understand concepts" of Z. Vs the Complex storytelling of the original DB. All that stuff you explained about the original DB, wouldn't matter to a five year old, or 10 year old. "flashy punches and colors" is more appropriate.

Currently me, would probably love the original DB, (if i ever watched it, which i won't) but as i mentioned in another post, i got so many other anime to watch that has those elements in it. Ironic.

I never encountered original DB until well into DBZ. "I was born after it" does not count.

"Does not count" towards what? what exactly am i being tested on that i would need "arbitrary credit accumulation" for?

I still think the original DB and Z animes were targeted towards different audiences. (Mainly japanese heh) There's too much of a clear distinction between the two for it not to be. As a result, one grabs a certain generation and one grabs another.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Originally posted by Merlin:

I never encountered original DB until well into DBZ. "I was born after it" does not count.

"Does not count" towards what? what exactly am i being tested on that i would need "arbitrary credit accumulation" for?

I still think the original DB and Z animes were targeted towards different audiences. (Mainly japanese heh) There's too much of a clear distinction between the two for it not to be. As a result, one grabs a certain generation and one grabs another.

Yeah, I suppose your motives for the interest are different. You are mainly looking for shows that offer the good fights? If so, then more power to you, whatever the case might be.

But hey, maybe knowing what you know now, if you want to watch DB later on in life when it strikes your fancy, then you cannot go wrong. It's not something that would leave you feeling disappointed in, or regret wasting your time with.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Blasted:

Originally posted by psnjungle:

"Does not count" towards what? what exactly am i being tested on that i would need "arbitrary credit accumulation" for?

I still think the original DB and Z animes were targeted towards different audiences. (Mainly japanese heh) There's too much of a clear distinction between the two for it not to be. As a result, one grabs a certain generation and one grabs another.

Yeah, I suppose your motives for the interest are different. You are mainly looking for shows that offer the good fights? If so, then more power to you, whatever the case might be.

But hey, maybe knowing what you know now, if you want to watch DB later on in life when it strikes your fancy, then you cannot go wrong. It's not something that would leave you feeling disappointed in, or regret wasting your time with.

The fights in DB have way more meaning. I love Z, but its like the light saber fights in the prequels, flashy but meaningless.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Merlin:

Originally posted by Blasted:

Yeah, I suppose your motives for the interest are different. You are mainly looking for shows that offer the good fights? If so, then more power to you, whatever the case might be.

But hey, maybe knowing what you know now, if you want to watch DB later on in life when it strikes your fancy, then you cannot go wrong. It's not something that would leave you feeling disappointed in, or regret wasting your time with.

The fights in DB have way more meaning. I love Z, but its like the light saber fights in the prequels, flashy but meaningless.

Yeah, I feel like people who dismiss Toriyamas original DB miss the point of DB... Somewhere in 'Z', it turned into a straight-up fight for power-struggle, for the sake of power from then on... Nothing more in substance.

But I guess it is the only way to keep the spirit of DB alive at this point, having Z and Super to keep folks interested... But it does away with spirituality and philosophy, which is one of the main reasons why i tend to shy from it.

The fight I think I liked the most is when Master Roshi-Er..."Jackie Chun" walked off the fighting ring against Tien Shenhan. It was one of the first lessons Tien learned.. and probably his most difficult challenge, even if it was a mental struggle; Though he technically won the fight: He didnt feel accomplished because of his 'killing' ways and ego.

Fighting is about using the brain, but now its about charging and fusing *shrugs* these days. Heeey whatever, I guess.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Shocker:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Localization of the manga did split the manga as well, though it's still one long run of Dragon Ball technically.

Yea but that was way later I think.

I could check what printing my Vol one DBZ manga is when I get home from work, if you want.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Blasted:

Originally posted by Merlin:

The fights in DB have way more meaning. I love Z, but its like the light saber fights in the prequels, flashy but meaningless.

Yeah, I feel like people who dismiss Toriyamas original DB miss the point of DB... Somewhere in 'Z', it turned into a straight-up fight for power-struggle, for the sake of power from then on... Nothing more in substance.

But I guess it is the only way to keep the spirit of DB alive at this point, having Z and Super to keep folks interested... But it does away with spirituality and philosophy, which is one of the main reasons why i tend to shy from it.

The fight I think I liked the most is when Master Roshi-Er..."Jackie Chun" walked off the fighting ring against Tien Shenhan. It was one of the first lessons Tien learned.. and probably his most difficult challenge, even if it was a mental struggle; Though he technically won the fight: He didnt feel accomplished because of his 'killing' ways and ego.

Fighting is about using the brain, but now its about charging and fusing *shrugs* these days. Heeey whatever, I guess.

Yeah DB really did a great job. Z has good points that carry over from it as well but it's hidden under flashy super powers and Toriyama's frustrations with editors and fans.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Merlin:

Originally posted by Blasted:

Yeah, I feel like people who dismiss Toriyamas original DB miss the point of DB... Somewhere in 'Z', it turned into a straight-up fight for power-struggle, for the sake of power from then on... Nothing more in substance.

But I guess it is the only way to keep the spirit of DB alive at this point, having Z and Super to keep folks interested... But it does away with spirituality and philosophy, which is one of the main reasons why i tend to shy from it.

The fight I think I liked the most is when Master Roshi-Er..."Jackie Chun" walked off the fighting ring against Tien Shenhan. It was one of the first lessons Tien learned.. and probably his most difficult challenge, even if it was a mental struggle; Though he technically won the fight: He didnt feel accomplished because of his 'killing' ways and ego.

Fighting is about using the brain, but now its about charging and fusing *shrugs* these days. Heeey whatever, I guess.

Yeah DB really did a great job. Z has good points that carry over from it as well but it's hidden under flashy super powers and Toriyama's frustrations with editors and fans.

You know something is wrong when people assume DB would probably be just like its sequels where people would sooner pass through what made DragonBall itself so good.

These newer episodes don't do the original Dragon Ball any justice. IT feels bastardized in too many ways.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Blasted:

Originally posted by Merlin:

Yeah DB really did a great job. Z has good points that carry over from it as well but it's hidden under flashy super powers and Toriyama's frustrations with editors and fans.

You know something is wrong when people assume DB would probably be just like its sequels where people would sooner pass through what made DragonBall itself so good.

These newer episodes don't do the original Dragon Ball any justice. IT feels bastardized in too many ways.

because that's exactly what has happened. It's "sequalization", endless money grabs while throwing away the legacy of what came before, for an ever more infantile fan base that is too immature to know any better.

The funny part is, these new "fans" think Toriyama even cares any more at this point. He doesn't. He stopped REALLY caring after Cell died in Z. From there it was endless struggles with managers, editors, corpo maggots and the fans.

Now he just rubber stamps everything the corpos push his way to just have it done with.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Merlin:

Originally posted by Blasted:

You know something is wrong when people assume DB would probably be just like its sequels where people would sooner pass through what made DragonBall itself so good.

These newer episodes don't do the original Dragon Ball any justice. IT feels bastardized in too many ways.

because that's exactly what has happened. It's "sequalization", endless money grabs while throwing away the legacy of what came before, for an ever more infantile fan base that is too immature to know any better.

The funny part is, these new "fans" think Toriyama even cares any more at this point. He doesn't. He stopped REALLY caring after Cell died in Z. From there it was endless struggles with managers, editors, corpo maggots and the fans.

Now he just rubber stamps everything the corpos push his way to just have it done with.

The android/Cell saga had a lot of interference because 19 and 20 were supposed to be the main villain then 16, 17 and 18 were. Buu apparently was when they let Toriyama do his own thing again.

[Synth]

yeah i loved budakai 2 for the pawn/boardgame style, it was something new after the 1st game. hope they do it right with this game. Z series will always be my fav. but regardless will get this game. just again..hope its done right.