Denuvo Anti-Cheat Installer ?

[Victimus]

Just installed the game again, first time I launch it asks me to says "yes" to give administrator privilegies to "Denuvo Anti-Cheat Installer". Of course I say no since there's already Easy Anti cheat in the background and the author of the file is not known. Kind areally suspicious, I don't remember having to say "yes" to that when installing the game what do I do ?

[Macdallan]

The game is currently using both Denuvo Anti-Cheat and Easy Anti-Cheat. If you don't install the Denuvo Anti-Cheat program then you can't play the game so you have to say yes when it asks. The reason you didn't have to say yes the last time you installed the game is because the Denuvo Anti-Cheat program wasn't being used at that time. It was added during an update in February.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1789480/announcements/detail/3631627461491248445

[FlamingAnus]

Originally posted by Victimus:

Just installed the game again, first time I launch it asks me to says "yes" to give administrator privilegies to "Denuvo Anti-Cheat Installer". Of course I say no since there's already Easy Anti cheat in the background and the author of the file is not known. Kind areally suspicious, I don't remember having to say "yes" to that when installing the game what do I do ?

are you asking if a AA game published by a big name publisher and hosted on steam is trying to install a virus during installation?

denuvo is one of two anticheats. you install it, or you don't get to play.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

are you asking if a AA game published by a big name publisher and hosted on steam is trying to install a virus during installation?

Wouldn't be the first time. People have short memories it seems.

The developers of Denuvo used to be the developers of SecuROM and were associated with Sony during the BMG rootkit scandals and the lawsuits that followed various controversies. Between you and me, Is it really that unexpected that informed and veteran gamers would immediately click "no" in utter distrust when asked to give them full and complete rights to their computer!? Come on.

Frankly, even Bethesda had to walk back using that Anti-Cheat due to the atrocious reputation of the company making it... How in hell Team 17 thought it would be different for them?

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Wouldn't be the first time. People have short memories it seems.

The developers of Denuvo used to be the developers of SecuROM and were associated with Sony during the BMG rootkit scandals and the lawsuits that followed various controversies. Between you and me, Is it really that unexpected that informed and veteran gamers would immediately click "no" in utter distrust when asked to give them full and complete rights to their computer!? Come on.

Frankly, even Bethesda had to walk back using that Anti-Cheat due to the atrocious reputation of the company making it... How in hell Team 17 thought it would be different for them?

Not sure about that argument. I'm an informed and veteran gamer and I clicked yes immediately because I knew it wasn't going to be an issue. I knew what it was installing, and why. I would argue that the OP was not an informed and veteran gamer and that's why they clicked no. Had they been fully informed they would have simply clicked yes and we wouldn't have this thread at all.

I also understand why the OP clicked no even if they didn't have to worry about it, they installed Marauders previously and didn't get that popup so were suspicious because the process wasn't the same when re-installing. Then they dropped in here to ask about it and now they know it's fine.

[FlamingAnus]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

are you asking if a AA game published by a big name publisher and hosted on steam is trying to install a virus during installation?

Wouldn't be the first time. People have short memories it seems.

The developers of Denuvo used to be the developers of SecuROM and were associated with Sony during the BMG rootkit scandals and the lawsuits that followed various controversies. Between you and me, Is it really that unexpected that informed and veteran gamers would immediately click "no" in utter distrust when asked to give them full and complete rights to their computer!? Come on.

Frankly, even Bethesda had to walk back using that Anti-Cheat due to the atrocious reputation of the company making it... How in hell Team 17 thought it would be different for them?

I mean... you're using steam?
Vac is the literal same thing as denuvo, has kernal level access, needs admin rights, belongs to a company involved in anti trust lawsuits.

So i'm not really following your logic here.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

Vac is the literal same thing as denuvo, has kernal level access, needs admin rights, belongs to a company involved in anti trust lawsuits.

So i'm not really following your logic here.

For starters you're misinformed, VAC does not require Kernel Access, their anti-cheat is mostly server side and only runs at the application level with the same authorizations as the game.

I find already problematic in itself that some people here seem to not even think twice or to even do a cursory google search when granting complete control over their personal computer for a video game, of all things, but you conveniently ommitted the part about the developers of Denuvo working previously for a company convicted of stealthily putting malware into people's computers. This happened when they were working under Sony. Sony fired the whole branch which then formed the company known as Denuvo today.

Somehow - and stop me if I'm wrong there - It's usually better for a company asking you to grant them admin rights for any reason to not have been associated with malware lawsuits and I think that slight distinction is quite important when asking why trusting one company and not the other.

At this point if you're not seeing the multiple red flags waving, you have to be legally blind... but wait, if you're somehow unconvinced and are looking for even more reason to not trust Denuvo, there's more!

Everyone is free to do as they please with their own computer and I'm not saying that they'll try to infect your computer this time but I find a bit evebrow-raising how some people would try to ridicule others for exercising basic computer safety and common sense considering the history with that company. In the end, even if you handwaved all this, no matter how you look at it, asking admin rights for one anti-cheat may be nothing out of the ordinary but asking for two is highly unusual and cause enough for concern.

Let it be clear that I'm not critisizing the game, it's great and deserves every positive review (or at least used to, judging by the state the most recent patch left it in). Don't let my scrutiny of their unfortunate corporate baggage prevent you from enjoying the product of incredibly talented artists.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

Vac is the literal same thing as denuvo, has kernal level access, needs admin rights, belongs to a company involved in anti trust lawsuits.

So i'm not really following your logic here.

For starters you're misinformed, VAC does not require Kernel Access, their anti-cheat is mostly server side and only runs at the application level with the same authorizations as the game.

I find already problematic in itself that some people here seem to not even think twice or to even do a cursory google search when granting complete control over their personal computer for a video game, of all things, but you conveniently ommitted the part about the developers of Denuvo working previously for a company convicted of stealthily putting malware into people's computers. This happened when they were working under Sony. Sony fired the whole branch which then formed the company known as Denuvo today.

Somehow - and stop me if I'm wrong there - It's usually better for a company asking you to grant them admin rights for any reason to not have been associated with malware lawsuits and I think that slight distinction is quite important when asking why trusting one company and not the other.

At this point if you're not seeing the multiple red flags waving, you have to be legally blind... but wait, if you're somehow unconvinced and are looking for even more reason to not trust Denuvo, there's more!

Everyone is free to do as they please with their own computer and I'm not saying that they'll try to infect your computer this time but I find a bit evebrow-raising how some people would try to ridicule others for exercising basic computer safety and common sense considering the history with that company. In the end, even if you handwaved all this, no matter how you look at it, asking admin rights for one anti-cheat may be nothing out of the ordinary but asking for two is highly unusual and cause enough for concern.

Let it be clear that I'm not critisizing the game, it's great and deserves every positive review (or at least used to, judging by the state the most recent patch left it in). Don't let my scrutiny of their unfortunate corporate baggage prevent you from enjoying the product of incredibly talented artists. :clickbutton:

Stop being a fearmonger, bud. Relax.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Stop being a fearmonger, bud. Relax.

Do you also tell history teachers to relax when they give a history lesson? I'm simply stating the facts. No fearmongering here, just putting the finger on a problematic business decision and correcting some misinformation.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Do you also tell history teachers to relax when they give a history lesson? I'm simply stating the facts. No fearmongering here, just putting the finger on a problematic business decision and correcting some misinformation.

No, you're not simply stating facts. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Do you also tell history teachers to relax when they give a history lesson? I'm simply stating the facts. No fearmongering here, just putting the finger on a problematic business decision and correcting some misinformation.

No, you're not simply stating facts. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Your opinion has been noted and while I still disagree, I respect your point of view.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

No, you're not simply stating facts. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Your opinion has been noted and while I still disagree, I respect your point of view.

Opinion? No, it's a fact.

Have a nice day.

[FlamingAnus]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

Vac is the literal same thing as denuvo, has kernal level access, needs admin rights, belongs to a company involved in anti trust lawsuits.

So i'm not really following your logic here.

For starters you're misinformed, VAC does not require Kernel Access, their anti-cheat is mostly server side and only runs at the application level with the same authorizations as the game.

I find already problematic in itself that some people here seem to not even think twice or to even do a cursory google search when granting complete control over their personal computer for a video game, of all things, but you conveniently ommitted the part about the developers of Denuvo working previously for a company convicted of stealthily putting malware into people's computers. This happened when they were working under Sony. Sony fired the whole branch which then formed the company known as Denuvo today.

Somehow - and stop me if I'm wrong there - It's usually better for a company asking you to grant them admin rights for any reason to not have been associated with malware lawsuits and I think that slight distinction is quite important when asking why trusting one company and not the other.

At this point if you're not seeing the multiple red flags waving, you have to be legally blind... but wait, if you're somehow unconvinced and are looking for even more reason to not trust Denuvo, there's more!

Everyone is free to do as they please with their own computer and I'm not saying that they'll try to infect your computer this time but I find a bit evebrow-raising how some people would try to ridicule others for exercising basic computer safety and common sense considering the history with that company. In the end, even if you handwaved all this, no matter how you look at it, asking admin rights for one anti-cheat may be nothing out of the ordinary but asking for two is highly unusual and cause enough for concern.

Let it be clear that I'm not critisizing the game, it's great and deserves every positive review (or at least used to, judging by the state the most recent patch left it in). Don't let my scrutiny of their unfortunate corporate baggage prevent you from enjoying the product of incredibly talented artists. :clickbutton:

I will give you a W on the vac point.
i was mistaken and i'm not afraid to admit that. valve is not kernal level, but it does monitor your kernal level processes and do other really shady ♥♥♥♥ like track every website you visit ever.

now that that is out of the way, every company you do business with is guilty of shady practices somewhere along the line. steam is currently right this moment under investigation for price gouging and other anti trust concerns. facebook/meta literally sold our personal data to russia to destroy democracy lol. Microsoft was guilty of anti-trust practices.
google.
the list goes on and on and on.

I'm not saying you're wrong for being a bit skeptical of denuvo, INFACT! i'm a huge opponent of their anti-piracy software, but their anti-cheat is different and phenomenal.
What i'm saying is... did you really actually think that the game was trying to instal something shady? you did all of this research but didn't even for a second come across any information that told you the truth about the situation?

to address specifically the point of "asking admin rights for one anti-cheat may be nothing out of the ordinary but asking for two is highly unusual"
It's not. fortnite has 3 anticheats, just as a quick example.
it's actually very common for games to run multiple anti-cheats that interact and cover the holes the each have.

and just to be clear as well, with all do respect, i at no point thought you were criticizing the game, I am only questioning the sincerity of how malicious you thought this denuvo installer could have actually been.
I mean, i imagine a person who is as well educated on the subject as you are knows how loud and vindictive the average uneducated user is who complains about denuvo.
....often not even realizing there is a difference between the anti-piracy and anti-cheat....

[lukaself]

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

I will give you a W on the vac point.
i was mistaken and i'm not afraid to admit that. valve is not kernal level, but it does monitor your kernal level processes and do other really shady ♥♥♥♥ like track every website you visit ever.

No, VAC doesn't check your browser history and kernel activity since as mentioned, it doesn't have the required authorizations to do so and no, the fact that wrongdoings are commonplace in this industry does not make it more acceptable in the slightest. Trying to gaslight users by inventing facts about how the solutions used by competitors are just as bad as the one used here absolutely does not help your credibility.

Fortnite does use three layers of anti-cheat, that's true. What's the difference between Marauders and Fortnite? For starters Fortnite has more than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ million concurrent players so I think they're taking the appropriate steps compared to Marauders which barely scrapes a thousand. Then, notice how they're still not using Denuvo. Not a single game with a decent number of active players in the whole world is currently using DAC but Marauders. In grand total, there are 3 games using Denuvo anti-cheat, one dead MP shooter which lost 95%¨of their playerbase right after they announced implementing DAC and one obscure free to play porn game... you can't make this up.

If that's not a living testament of how untrusted that middleware is in the industry, then I don't know what to tell you. And yeah, sometimes people are uninformed and do state the stupidest things about Denuvo, confusing DAC and DAT altogether sometimes this is why I think it's all the more important to keep raising awareness about how these solutions operate and the companies behind them.

I'm genuinely not looking for "winning" a discussion as if it were some sort of contest nor have you anything to lose by learning something.

Users are then free to take their own conclusions and decide if they want to ignore this or not, but keeping them in the dark is never the right answer. If anything, most people wil have a better time accepting them if the company is completely transparent with them.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by discord.gg/marauders:

I will give you a W on the vac point.
i was mistaken and i'm not afraid to admit that. valve is not kernal level, but it does monitor your kernal level processes and do other really shady ♥♥♥♥ like track every website you visit ever.

No, VAC doesn't check your browser history and kernel activity since as mentioned, it doesn't have the required authorizations to do so and no, the fact that wrongdoings are commonplace in this industry does not make it more acceptable in the slightest. Trying to gaslight users by inventing facts about how the solutions used by competitors are just as bad as the one used here absolutely does not help your credibility.

Fortnite does use three layers of anti-cheat, that's true. What's the difference between Marauders and Fortnite? For starters Fortnite has more than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ million concurrent players so I think they're taking the appropriate steps compared to Marauders which barely scrapes a thousand. Then, notice how they're still not using Denuvo. Not a single game with a decent number of active players in the whole world is currently using DAC but Marauders. In grand total, there are 3 games using Denuvo anti-cheat, one dead MP shooter which lost 95%¨of their playerbase right after they announced implementing DAC and one obscure free to play porn game... you can't make this up.

If that's not a living testament of how untrusted that middleware is in the industry, then I don't know what to tell you. And yeah, sometimes people are uninformed and do state the stupidest things about Denuvo, confusing DAC and DAT altogether sometimes this is why I think it's all the more important to keep raising awareness about how these solutions operate and the companies behind them.

Once again you're making this out to be more of an issue than it really is. Please give it a rest, bud.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Once again you're making this out to be more of an issue than it really is. Please give it a rest, bud.

You're free to discuss the matter but if you're not going to at least be constructive about it, I suggest moving on yourself.