Needs a basics trader thats available at any time

[Buntkreuz]

I have no materials to craft stuff and no one is selling what i need.
Either i need a trader selling crafting materials or standard stuff like a bad, a bad helmet or a bad weapon.
I have cash, please offer me a bad dude.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

No, that would make it way too easy. You could just sit there buying then re-selling or scrapping and crafting/selling to boost your rep. The whole point of the system is that you gain rep by doing missions for each faction.

Thats not how it works dude.
The weird thing is, that Marauders does a lot of things far worse than similar games and somehow in your eyes it would be impossible to improve the game in a similar manner as it just wouldnt work, for some arbitrary reason.
Like, how does it work in Tarkov but wouldnt here? Yeah, it makes no difference.

That's exactly how the guy said it works, dude. :)

Anyway, it's a bad system that shouldn't be implemented in Marauders. The rep gain should not be affected by how much you buy or sell. Cash shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not you can quickly increase your rep.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Thats not how it works dude.
The weird thing is, that Marauders does a lot of things far worse than similar games and somehow in your eyes it would be impossible to improve the game in a similar manner as it just wouldnt work, for some arbitrary reason.
Like, how does it work in Tarkov but wouldnt here? Yeah, it makes no difference.

That's exactly how the guy said it works, dude. :)

Anyway, it's a bad system that shouldn't be implemented in Marauders. The rep gain should not be affected by how much you buy or sell. Cash shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not you can quickly increase your rep.

It doesnt work that you can just buy and resell the same things over and over.
It works that you buy and sell what they need or ask for.
You cant just buy an M16 and then resell it to increase your rep.
Which would be stupid anyway, because you gain less money per sell anyway.

Leveling traders through interaction actually even makes logical sense.
The Marauders literally want stuff to be sold or bought.
Ofcourse the rep of a trader should be affected by how much you sell and buy.
Thats called a trading relationship and is how it works in real life.
But the game also opens with the premise of this being a core interest of the games world.
You getting stuff people need. You doing that in a reliable manner increases your reputation as a business partner.

It would be a good system and actually cause far more freedom in terms of gameplay than the system we have now.
I would gain rep based on how successful i raid and collect valuable materials/items.
It actually doesnt make any sense that traders wont increase rep based on the interactions with you, while thats the essence of a reputation with the trader.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

It doesnt work that you can just buy and resell the same things over and over.
It works that you buy and sell what they need or ask for.
You cant just buy an M16 and then resell it to increase your rep.
Which would be stupid anyway, because you gain less money per sell anyway.

Leveling traders through interaction actually even makes logical sense.
The Marauders literally want stuff to be sold or bought.
Ofcourse the rep of a trader should be affected by how much you sell and buy.
Thats called a trading relationship and is how it works in real life.
But the game also opens with the premise of this being a core interest of the games world.
You getting stuff people need. You doing that in a reliable manner increases your reputation as a business partner.

It would be a good system and actually cause far more freedom in terms of gameplay than the system we have now.
I would gain rep based on how successful i raid and collect valuable materials/items.
It actually doesnt make any sense that traders wont increase rep based on the interactions with you, while thats the essence of a reputation with the trader.

Thanks for further explaining the system but it's not something I want to see added to Marauders.

[Buntkreuz]

I would agree if the traders werent actually traders, but faction vendors or armory officers. You could buy faction typical items from them and you would gain access to more specific and better faction items with higher rep, but they wouldnt buy stuff from you.
I know thats how the idea behind this was. But then 1.) only one of them being available at a time doesnt make sense, because when i want to buy from a faction, i simply do so whenever i want. 2.) them purchasing turns them into a vendor, not an armory officer and then the game needed neutral traders alongside.


If they want to go with the faction armory officer narrative and logic, they need to make them available at any time, all of them and then have neutral traders appear from time to time, as they are moving around the universe of the game and arent always present at my location (i have to take the neutral traders that are currently at the station).
Fine by me, doesnt make much sense the way its now though.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

It doesnt work that you can just buy and resell the same things over and over.
It works that you buy and sell what they need or ask for.
You cant just buy an M16 and then resell it to increase your rep.
Which would be stupid anyway, because you gain less money per sell anyway.

Leveling traders through interaction actually even makes logical sense.
The Marauders literally want stuff to be sold or bought.
Ofcourse the rep of a trader should be affected by how much you sell and buy.
Thats called a trading relationship and is how it works in real life.
But the game also opens with the premise of this being a core interest of the games world.
You getting stuff people need. You doing that in a reliable manner increases your reputation as a business partner.

It would be a good system and actually cause far more freedom in terms of gameplay than the system we have now.
I would gain rep based on how successful i raid and collect valuable materials/items.
It actually doesnt make any sense that traders wont increase rep based on the interactions with you, while thats the essence of a reputation with the trader.

Thanks for further explaining the system but it's not something I want to see added to Marauders.

Yeah you made that clear, and? Why do you think your opinion is more valuable than others?
Because thats what you showcase constantly.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Thanks for further explaining the system but it's not something I want to see added to Marauders.

Yeah you made that clear, and? Why do you think your opinion is more valuable than others?
Because thats what you showcase constantly.

The real question is why are you so focused on attacking me whenever I say something? You accuse me of tunnel vision and sling a bunch of insults and hate at me after I explain what to do in order for you to solve the problem you seem to be complaining about in the original post. Basically you get mad at me for helping you understand something that you're struggling with. Then when I don't bow down and agree with your initial complaints you get even more aggressive and now you're accusing me of thinking my opinion is more valuable than others which isn't the case. All I said here is that I'm not interested in seeing a buy/sell for rep system in Marauders.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Yeah you made that clear, and? Why do you think your opinion is more valuable than others?
Because thats what you showcase constantly.

The real question is why are you so focused on attacking me whenever I say something? You accuse me of tunnel vision and sling a bunch of insults and hate at me when I don't bow down and agree with your initial complaints and now you're accusing me of thinking my opinion is more valuable than others which isn't the case. All I said here is that I'm not interested in seeing a buy/sell for rep system in Marauders.

Nah dont play the victim card and turn it around.

You factually called me a liar, tried to devalue my perspective on the game, call anything someone says as worthless and now you play the victim card when being called out in an attempt to derail this thread so it only focusses on you and your well being.
And its not the first time you are in this position and you know that very very well.

Your replies tell a very specific story of "its all fine, nothing should change, its all perfect, it cant improve, all other equivalents are bad, any idea is bad, there are no problems and theres a solution to all problems that are no problems."
You then constantly contradict yourself in that manner, by at the same time saying that there isnt a problem but then presenting several solutions to the non existing problem that are simply workarounds around the problem that doesnt exist.

I also keep describing how something changed could improve, while you dont present any points, you just say "its worse", but cant actually describe how, by design, it would be worse.

You also invited me into the tunnel vision perspective by saying, and i paraphrase "play longer and you will find its not a problem", which was specifically dismantling anything you said before because i said, and i paraphrase: "the early game is bothersome because the traders dont offer any of the basic materials or items that i need to properly progress, causing the game to become an unsatisfying slog".


And im honest, its a bit boring to argue with some who keeps replying although it was already clear from the start, that you wont agree anyway.
You entered the discussion with a set opinion, agenda and position and it didnt matter what i say anyway.
Your agenda was to pick my perspective down as if it was illegitimate or unbased in truth (im paraphrasing you as you said "you claim something that is not true" - although it is true).
Now we are in a "you say i say" situation for no other reason that your ego of forcing your view on others by simply saying "no thats not good".
You arent in the position as you lack the credibility to just wink a perspective off as worthless.

If you feel attacked and that unwell, for some reason, stop replying and go.
As i wont turn this into a thread about exchanging personal matters or giving you the kick of the drama.
Last time i will reply to you, if you continue this way.

[this is peak form]

novice post, you can obtain anything from traders with the right amount of cash. get better at pvp and think outside the box.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by skycrown:

novice post, you can obtain anything from traders with the right amount of cash. get better at pvp and think outside the box.

You literally cant buy anything from traders early game/progression
Im sitting at 300k currently with lvl 11 and im fine with pvp, but bags and other basic things are literally a tier 2 trader item and you need to perform some bothersome fetch quests and dumb stuff to unlock the right to buy them.
Once i finished a few dumb quests, whenever the pirate trader is around, i stock up on bags.
Cant be bothered to craft them, as i get junk too rarely and my items are too good to scrap anyway.
My entire stash is filled with M16s, BAR, Metal Helmets and stuff, but i cant buy a dumb cloth bag.
Kekw

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

The real question is why are you so focused on attacking me whenever I say something? You accuse me of tunnel vision and sling a bunch of insults and hate at me when I don't bow down and agree with your initial complaints and now you're accusing me of thinking my opinion is more valuable than others which isn't the case. All I said here is that I'm not interested in seeing a buy/sell for rep system in Marauders.

Nah dont play the victim card and turn it around.

You factually called me a liar, tried to devalue my perspective on the game, call anything someone says as worthless and now you play the victim card when being called out in an attempt to derail this thread so it only focusses on you and your well being.
And its not the first time you are in this position and you know that very very well.

Your replies tell a very specific story of "its all fine, nothing should change, its all perfect, it cant improve, all other equivalents are bad, any idea is bad, there are no problems and theres a solution to all problems that are no problems."
You then constantly contradict yourself in that manner, by at the same time saying that there isnt a problem but then presenting several solutions to the non existing problem that are simply workarounds around the problem that doesnt exist.

I also keep describing how something changed could improve, while you dont present any points, you just say "its worse", but cant actually describe how, by design, it would be worse.

You also invited me into the tunnel vision perspective by saying, and i paraphrase "play longer and you will find its not a problem", which was specifically dismantling anything you said before because i said, and i paraphrase: "the early game is bothersome because the traders dont offer any of the basic materials or items that i need to properly progress, causing the game to become an unsatisfying slog".


And im honest, its a bit boring to argue with some who keeps replying although it was already clear from the start, that you wont agree anyway.
You entered the discussion with a set opinion, agenda and position and it didnt matter what i say anyway.
Your agenda was to pick my perspective down as if it was illegitimate or unbased in truth (im paraphrasing you as you said "you claim something that is not true" - although it is true).
Now we are in a "you say i say" situation for no other reason that your ego of forcing your view on others by simply saying "no thats not good".
You arent in the position as you lack the credibility to just wink a perspective off as worthless.

If you feel attacked and that unwell, for some reason, stop replying and go.
As i wont turn this into a thread about exchanging personal matters or giving you the kick of the drama.
Last time i will reply to you, if you continue this way.

Not trying to turn it around, just pointing out facts, and you're going to even further lengths to make more attacks on me in this very reply which shows that you're not actually here for a constructive discussion.

I didn't call you a liar or anything else, but now you're making things up and trying to devalue what I said by attacking me even further. That won't fly around here, bud. Stick to the discussion topic and leave the personal attacks and comments about my "ego", etc. out of it. Thanks.

Have a nice day.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by skycrown:

novice post, you can obtain anything from traders with the right amount of cash. get better at pvp and think outside the box.

You literally cant buy anything from traders.
Im sitting at 300k currently with lvl 11 and im fine with pvp, but bags and other basic things are literally a tier 2 trader item and you need to perform some bothersome fetch quests and dumb stuff to unlock the right to buy them.
Once i finished a few dumb quests, whenever the pirate trader is around, i stock up on bags.
Cant be bothered to craft them, as i get junk too rarely and my items are too good to scrap anyway.
My entire stash is filled with M16s, BAR, Metal Helmets and stuff, but i cant buy a dumb cloth bag.
Kekw

You actually CAN buy things from all of the traders. I have no idea why you keep insisting that you can't. I even linked one of the trader's inventory lists in this thread so you can SEE what you can buy.

"Can't be bothered to craft them..." Well, that's your problem right there, bud. If you can't be bothered to click a button or two in order to get the item you want then I don't know what to tell you. You are choosing to make it a problem when it isn't a problem. You are creating the problem. Just craft the bags when you need to, mate. Crafting is part of the game for a reason...

[METTCtheDoc]

Originally posted by Martyr for Blood:

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Read the thread. ;)

I would but I already know from your track record its goes like this your wrong I'm right game is perfect but needs work. You contradict yourself with long winded neck beard BS and will never say your wrong despite being wrong most of the time.

Maytr, your record does not reflect much better sir

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

You literally cant buy anything from traders.
Im sitting at 300k currently with lvl 11 and im fine with pvp, but bags and other basic things are literally a tier 2 trader item and you need to perform some bothersome fetch quests and dumb stuff to unlock the right to buy them.
Once i finished a few dumb quests, whenever the pirate trader is around, i stock up on bags.
Cant be bothered to craft them, as i get junk too rarely and my items are too good to scrap anyway.
My entire stash is filled with M16s, BAR, Metal Helmets and stuff, but i cant buy a dumb cloth bag.
Kekw

You actually CAN buy things from all of the traders. I have no idea why you keep insisting that you can't. I even linked one of the trader's inventory lists in this thread so you can SEE what you can buy.

"Can't be bothered to craft them..." Well, that's your problem right there, bud. If you can't be bothered to click a button or two in order to get the item you want then I don't know what to tell you. You are choosing to make it a problem when it isn't a problem. You are creating the problem. Just craft the bags when you need to, mate. Crafting is part of the game for a reason...

And i dont know why i constantly have to repeat it, you cant buy the items since they are restricted.
You cant buy basic items like the standard cloth bag, until you leveled the traders to lvl 2 (or 1, since it starts at 0).
You are insisting you can, but you cant in the early game phase.
Finding them on a raid is even more bothersome.
I killed over 30 NPCs and looted an entire ship without finding any bag/storage item.
Later killed a guy having a backpack, but lets be frank, early game is cumbersome.

"Cant be bothered to craft them" means that i cant be bothered to purchase a gun for 3k from a trader to get one junk, three times, to craft a dumb bag, while the trader could also just sell bag at lvl 0 instead of lvl 1.
Got it?
As much as i cant be bothered entering a raid, pick the gun, wait 12 minutes until the gate opens, scrap the gun to get one junk and repeat 3 times.

Maybe my problem is specific or unique, but i dont think so.
But i ended up having too good stuff that wasnt worth to be scrapped for junk, thus my early game often ended up starting a raid without a bad because i cant purchase one, also cant craft one, rare drop during raids and i somehow end up having to kill a guy to obtain one dumb bag while the game throws M16s at me all the time.
Dont know mate, but balance seems off.

[Buntkreuz]

Originally posted by SIGMETTtheDoc:

Originally posted by Martyr for Blood:

I would but I already know from your track record its goes like this your wrong I'm right game is perfect but needs work. You contradict yourself with long winded neck beard BS and will never say your wrong despite being wrong most of the time.

Maytr, your record does not reflect much better sir

Have followed quite a few discussions though and Macdallan, while sometimes with the intention to help, often just derails discussions that could go civil and potentially turn out fruitful, while somehow, for a weird reason, is protected by the games forum moderation when he clearly breaks rules.
Its not the first time i see a mod rush to his defense and you do with statements like this.

[METTCtheDoc]

Originally posted by Buntkreuz:

Originally posted by SIGMETTtheDoc:

Maytr, your record does not reflect much better sir

Have followed quite a few discussions though and Macdallan, while sometimes with the intention to help, often just derails discussions that could go civil and potentially turn out fruitful, while somehow, for a weird reason, is protected by the games forum moderation when he clearly breaks rules.
Its not the first time i see a mod rush to his defense and you do with statements like this.

Honestly this is fair bunt. however we do have a history with the gentleman I replied too :) that being said, it is unprofessional to reply in that way, and for that I apologize. We do get hit with a LOT of "This is a ♥♥♥♥ game" " this game is dead" "these devs hate hate their community" etc. none of which are true. At least for the first two I sincerely hope so.