PVE Only Mode!?!/ WOAH!

[Get Squinkies]

Yeah so i dont give a sH** about pvp, if i wanted pvp i will play established pvp games.

Does this game have an exclusive PVE experence/ Coop only? Or is it always PVP forced.

[Sug Deez]

Originally posted by fenrif:

Originally posted by 76561199550807711:

The Dev team on LinkedIn shows 10 employees. Their job title and description doesn't matter. The studio says it has 10 employees, which means the game is being developed by 10 people no matter their job title. The fact you think that developing a game is only comprised of "coding and or programming" is all anyone needs to shut down your obviously unintelligent reply. https://uk.linkedin.com/company/small-impact-games

Also Publishing the game for sure means you have ownership over a game to some degree. Especially if you go by industry definition which is, "(Since you can't Google it yourself) Games publishers give developers the money upfront to make a game. They strike up a deal with a studio (game development company) to make a game according to an agreed brief. The publisher then works closely with the game producer at the studio to make sure the game's being made as agreed, to budget and on time."

While we're talking about nitpicking let's take out the first month the game launched from the average since like most games this game was over-hyped and under delivered (obviously). You take out the hype of the EA launch and the game never peaks above 1800. Even with the peak included in the launch month the game loses 70% of it's playerbase in 30 days. Clearly the games not good if it has such a massive drop.

Then you go on to talk about revenue meaning profit, again because you don't know what you're talking about and lack common sense to Google the difference I again did it for you, "Revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods or services related to the company's primary operations. Profit, which is typically called net profit or the bottom line, is the amount of income that remains after accounting for all expenses, debts, additional income streams, and operating costs." If we look at revenue generated vs profit the revenue is only 166mil USD and the actual money that "profited" was only 32mil USD. If you think them making a maxed amount of 24 million by your calculations is good when they only profited an estimated 32mil, you need to re-evaluate what you think companies should make yearly. You also state they made several million dollars launch month but have no proof to that statement. How much did it cost to develop this game before it was put into EA and bought by people? If it's not in the upwards range of millions that's exactly why the game has failed to this point.

Then you talk about people not understanding financials while believing revenue and profit are the same LMAO

Of course he got banned. Can't have any wrong think in the echo chamber.
Does make it easy for the obsequious shill to defend the game though. Get a few last words in. I suppose.

of course they ban the guy going against the argumentative shill. actually insane

[Wulfen]

Originally posted by Duke:

An entire thread of people seething that one video game isn't exactly to their liking.
Amazing.

I like how they come into these games and want to change fundamentally everything about it, making it into an entirely different game that they would enjoy

[Get Squinkies]

Originally posted by Wulfen:

Originally posted by Duke:

An entire thread of people seething that one video game isn't exactly to their liking.
Amazing.

I like how they come into these games and want to change fundamentally everything about it, making it into an entirely different game that they would enjoy

Sort of. Because of the issues around the intregity of human players, even the most beloved fan of the PVP aspect really, really wants bots.

[Big Dog]

Better yet, you join an open crew and they instantly teamkill you. Part of the game according the devs. What a scam game I want my money back false advertisement.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by High Stakes:

Better yet, you join an open crew and they instantly teamkill you. Part of the game according the devs. What a scam game I want my money back false advertisement.

I know you're upset about being TKed but I explained what you should do to avoid it on your thread about the TK issue. It's unfortunate that the in game crew finder doesn't have a pre-match chat function yet but that's something you can easily work around using the official Discord server to find teams. https://discord.gg/marauders

It's not a "scam game" nor is it a "trash game" like you said on your other thread. Again, I understand that you're upset about the TK incident but you need to remember that this is a work in progress, an early access title, and it doesn't have all the systems it will have when it's complete. Give the game a chance, it's a lot of fun, and please use the Discord server. You'll want non-prox chat voice comms with your crew anyway so you might as well jump in the Marauders Discord with the rest of us space pirates.

[Big Dog]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by High Stakes:

Better yet, you join an open crew and they instantly teamkill you. Part of the game according the devs. What a scam game I want my money back false advertisement.

I know you're upset about being TKed but I explained what you should do to avoid it on your thread about the TK issue. It's unfortunate that the in game crew finder doesn't have a pre-match chat function yet but that's something you can easily work around using the official Discord server to find teams. https://discord.gg/marauders

It's not a "scam game" nor is it a "trash game" like you said on your other thread. Again, I understand that you're upset about the TK incident but you need to remember that this is a work in progress, an early access title, and it doesn't have all the systems it will have when it's complete. Give the game a chance, it's a lot of fun, and please use the Discord server. You'll want non-prox chat voice comms with your crew anyway so you might as well jump in the Marauders Discord with the rest of us space pirates.

"hello we can't make video games with chat so use a third party app"

"also we lie and say the game has co-op mode on the steam page store"

[fenrif]

Originally posted by Wulfen:

Originally posted by Duke:

An entire thread of people seething that one video game isn't exactly to their liking.
Amazing.

I like how they come into these games and want to change fundamentally everything about it, making it into an entirely different game that they would enjoy

I was under the impression being part of the development process was a big selling point of Early Access?

[Bobylicious]

Originally posted by fenrif:

Originally posted by Wulfen:

I like how they come into these games and want to change fundamentally everything about it, making it into an entirely different game that they would enjoy

I was under the impression being part of the development process was a big selling point of Early Access?

It kinda is, its mostly the ability to playtest the game before its compleatly finnished, and giving feedback about bugs, UI problems, other general things. What a beta dosent do, is let random users dictate a drastic change from the overall goal of the project. That type of thing is an executive choice. It would be like the devs of twisted metal showing off their game at e3, and some guy named bob saying he hates that sort of game and demanding that it needs to be a regular cart racer.

[Get Squinkies]

Originally posted by Bobylicious:

Originally posted by fenrif:

I was under the impression being part of the development process was a big selling point of Early Access?

It kinda is, its mostly the ability to playtest the game before its compleatly finnished, and giving feedback about bugs, UI problems, other general things. What a beta dosent do, is let random users dictate a drastic change from the overall goal of the project. That type of thing is an executive choice. It would be like the devs of twisted metal showing off their game at e3, and some guy named bob saying he hates that sort of game and demanding that it needs to be a regular cart racer.

Yall are missing the POINT. It would be the exact same game, nothing fundamentally changed, without cheaters, and instead AI. Thats it. Not that hard to digest. Nothing else would change. yall can still play with the cheaters or your friends. No one is saying change that.

Im sure the fear is that this would shrink the online PVP base. It would not. It would bring more players in, who would switch to online PVP when theyre skills are okay enough to stand a chance against the cheaters.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by High Stakes:

"hello we can't make video games with chat so use a third party app"

"also we lie and say the game has co-op mode on the steam page store"

The developers can absolutely add pre-match chat functions to the game, they simply haven't done that yet. This game is in early access and that means it is a work in progress, it's unfinished. Because it's a work in progress it is not feature complete meaning some features the game needs or that it will have simply have not been coded or added yet. One of those features is a pre-match chat.

Keep in mind that SIG is a small development team and there are other things that are a higher priority than a pre-match chat function. Also, a simple third party solution for finding teams exists - Discord. The developers set up an official Marauders Discord server for many reasons, player feedback and team finding being two of the big ones. They simply don't need to implement chat functions when they have higher priority work to do because there's a simple, free option available for players to use. Would it be nice if they added it already or add it soon? Sure, but it's not an absolute necessity. You're going to want non-prox voice comms anyway, so just use Discord. It's really not a big deal.

There is no lie on the Steam store page regarding co-operative gameplay. You can team up with other players both in crews and by making alliances in matches using the proximity chat feature, therefore the game has co-op play. Period.

[Talimat]

Originally posted by Noobelwerfer:

Yeah it's enforced, you're probably gonna get flamed for this you know, as may I, but I get what yr saying, be nice to have the PVE option. But, as a certain poster will probably let you know in great detail, the Dev's don't want that sort of game .. I think it's a shame personally. I can't believe that it is beyond the wit of man/the Dev's, to have 2 separate forms of game co-exist without gear being carried over. But so what if it is movable across modes? I am regularly meeting people way better equipped than me and usually dying to them. What does it matter if i have a radio pack from PVE mode. The game isn't really about tanking damage and armour/guns only make so much difference. I dunno, the nature of the game would change for sure, but it would open the game up to the 2 other customer groups - those who love PVE and the ones who fancy a bit of both in some fashion, surely more players equals more fun all round.

I agree completely. There should be a PVE mode, and it doesn't matter if that's not the type of game the devs want, its the type of play mode that will save this game. Basically it's 2 options, get rid of the cheaters, and you are failing miserably, or give us a PVE option so we don't have to waste all of our time and gear to the cheaters. Otherwise people will just quit.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Talimat:

I agree completely. There should be a PVE mode, and it doesn't matter if that's not the type of game the devs want, its the type of play mode that will save this game. Basically it's 2 options, get rid of the cheaters, and you are failing miserably, or give us a PVE option so we don't have to waste all of our time and gear to the cheaters. Otherwise people will just quit.

Right now there should not be a PVE mode and zero development time should be spent on one. Reason? This is not a PVE only game and never will be. That's not what it's been designed to be. If they happen to choose to add a PVE mode after full launch, after early access and development on the core game is done, then fine but that isn't the game you signed up for. You bought into early access for a PVP focused PVPVE game.

If you want PVE extraction in space then maybe give Void Bastards a try.

Originally posted by Talimat:

...it doesn't matter if that's not the type of game the devs want..

Erm... no. It does matter, mate. It really, really, really does.

[Bobylicious]

Originally posted by Get Squinkies:

Originally posted by Bobylicious:

It kinda is, its mostly the ability to playtest the game before its compleatly finnished, and giving feedback about bugs, UI problems, other general things. What a beta dosent do, is let random users dictate a drastic change from the overall goal of the project. That type of thing is an executive choice. It would be like the devs of twisted metal showing off their game at e3, and some guy named bob saying he hates that sort of game and demanding that it needs to be a regular cart racer.

Yall are missing the POINT. It would be the exact same game, nothing fundamentally changed, without cheaters, and instead AI. Thats it. Not that hard to digest. Nothing else would change. yall can still play with the cheaters or your friends. No one is saying change that.

Im sure the fear is that this would shrink the online PVP base. It would not. It would bring more players in, who would switch to online PVP when theyre skills are okay enough to stand a chance against the cheaters.

Why do you only ever mention human players as cheaters? I starting to think you dont actually know what a pvp game is, and is just calling anyone that happens to kill you a cheater. Second if youve played offline tarkov with bots only, you can emediatly tell how shallow and empty the game is without player interactions. If you want to play an extraction shooter like game without it being online, go play stalker soc its a good game and there making a new one that releasing in december.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Bobylicious:

... if youve played offline tarkov with bots only, you can emediatly tell how shallow and empty the game is without player interactions.

Good points Bobylicious.

I have been in more than a few matches in Marauders with very few players in them and I have been on maps where I don't see or hear other players at all. Being alone in a map simply not very challenging in most cases because most of the bots just aren't very dangerous. With very few exceptions they're pretty easy to deal with even for newer or less skilled players. While being alone once in a while is fine I wouldn't want it to happen frequently.

When you feel like you're alone almost all the tension is gone and the overall feel of the game changes significantly. It becomes abundantly clear in those situations that the game really needs the threat of PVP and the chance for player interaction - both friendly (yea, that does happen) and hostile - to feel right and to be both more challenging and also to feel more rewarding if you survive. We really do need other players in each match, we need to hear, see, chat with, and/or fight them for things to feel right and that should come as no surprise to anyone, including the people who keep begging for PVE only modes, since it's been designed to be that way.

[CyanCatMan]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Bobylicious:

... if youve played offline tarkov with bots only, you can emediatly tell how shallow and empty the game is without player interactions.

Good points Bobylicious.

I have been in more than a few matches in Marauders with very few players in them and I have been on maps where I don't see or hear other players at all. Being alone in a map simply not very challenging in most cases because most of the bots just aren't very dangerous. With very few exceptions they're pretty easy to deal with even for newer or less skilled players. While being alone once in a while is fine I wouldn't want it to happen frequently.

Say the game down the line DID introduce better bots that fundamentally changed how you take on bots. They use the map to their advantage, flanks, peeks, the whole kaboodle.
To the point it's more or less going against well coordinated teams.
What's the difference between that and a player on the PVP side?
It may be an eventual FEAT but having decent AI enemies could be pretty interesting and worth practicing on without as many players.

And like in a PVP oriented extraction shooter your not exactly going to get many chatty and "friendly" people down the line compared to those that want your head either.
In my experience the only real major difference between bots and players is a keycard and ♥♥♥♥ talk on a mic.
I love working alliances or general deals with fellow players, but that's just not the norm unless your in a discord server grouped up.