Screw it lmao

[Dead Baron]

Waited in ambush for a solid 5 minutes for a player I could hear walking around and looting. He wasn't sneaking or anything.

He came around the corner facing away from me, I had the perfect chance. Unloaded 30 rounds of .45ACP from my Thompson into his head POINT BLANK, he had the basic Pirate helmet on.

He slowly turned around as I was firing and killed me with one headshot.

What the actual hell LMAO. If it wasn't a hacker, this game needs some SERIOUS netcode overhaul to fix hit detection. I saw more blood come out of his head than a human head can hold.

[Humbled]

The cheater problem in Marauders is rough. It is hard to determine who is cheating and who is not. A brief search on the internet will find many cheating services that provide cheats via subscription. I even submitted a support ticket with links to the websites. Hope something can be done.

Currently, dying and losing gear is bitter enough as is. Not knowing if they could have been cheating makes it worse I think.

[Zothen]

Originally posted by MackDuck:

Regardless, they're more obvious in marauders, that's for sure. It's much easier to tell cheaters here when they're just walking up to you after 30 headshots and just killing you or using an infinite no reload missile launcher in space killing everyone etc etc.

Youre wrong. You are just spotting the fools - not experienced cheaters who try to hide their cheating. Those wont spoil their cheats to other players.
..how naive forum users are.... *shakes head*

[Uh Playoffs?]

Honestly had a similar opinion to the OP in my first dozen or so hours. And this was before the post death statswhich showed accuracy and damage dealt. I went from mag dumping a sten/mp40 and no knowing why I couldn't kill the guy(when I had the drop on him) to killing 1-2 players with a single clip.

Not saying skill issue, or get good. But each gun takes some getting used to. And your probably not as accurate as you might think. I was getting shallacked pre wipe with a K/D of .5 to now close to 1.0. The game definitly prioritizes headshots above all else and Armor/Helmets don't protect you as much as you'd think.

[Dead Baron]

Originally posted by Miles Finch:

Honestly had a similar opinion to the OP in my first dozen or so hours. And this was before the post death statswhich showed accuracy and damage dealt. I went from mag dumping a sten/mp40 and no knowing why I couldn't kill the guy(when I had the drop on him) to killing 1-2 players with a single clip.

Not saying skill issue, or get good. But each gun takes some getting used to. And your probably not as accurate as you might think. I was getting shallacked pre wipe with a K/D of .5 to now close to 1.0. The game definitly prioritizes headshots above all else and Armor/Helmets don't protect you as much as you'd think.

I literally watched every bullet pierce his skull and spray blood from two feet away. I didn't pay attention to the death screen, if it reports something different from what the player sees, that's a different issue entirely.

the fact a handful of people are still defending this is hilarious and screams addiction or, as one user shows, sketchy shilling (not you, the macdellan guy that shows up in these threads 24/7 to immediately gaslight users with valid criticism or reports of issues)

[John Cena]

yep.

cheating is a major problem plaguing every single multiplayer game. it exploded in popularity in the last 5-8 years because of all the normies jumping into online gaming and useless product managers who just want attract the largest demographic possible instead of making a good game.

CoD, Fortnite, Tarkov, PUBG, even strategy games like HOI4 are plagued with hackers.

some are rage hackers who just play for a few days and get banned inevitably. others are far more subtle.

one solution will be legislation that penalizes and allows for civil lawsuits by companies against entities who create/use these hacks.

another solution is a real ID system which is unique to an individual. you need a real ID to play online and match with other real ID people. a ban on your real ID is a ban on you as a person instead of a ban on your software copy. real ID can be verified and any attempt to create a fake real ID or steal another one is felony fraud or identity theft.

if the consequences are higher than a simple ban most people will lose the incentive to hack.

[CptnSpandex]

I thought they sorted out the health part of people cheating ???, this is now detectable now right ?, surely as this was the main problem from day 1 and why they lost 13 thousand players daily, how is it not that easy to pick it up on a server, person has X amount of health and armour, had x amount of damage done to them, if the latter is way higher and they still kept rolling it automatically should flag them.

[Dead Baron]

Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:

another solution is a real ID system which is unique to an individual. you need a real ID to play online and match with other real ID people. a ban on your real ID is a ban on you as a person instead of a ban on your software copy. real ID can be verified and any attempt to create a fake real ID or steal another one is felony fraud or identity theft.

You don't want this. It would backfire easily. A false accusation or a lazy/malevolent moderator and you're banned from multiple games?

Ban appeals never work. I was once banned from the cesspool of Twitter for example because an a__hole brigaded me with multiple accounts (quote literally said or acted in no way to deserve a ban), and to this day appeals get auto-denied. But his account is still active lol

You would need hundreds of thousands of unbiased human moderators - impossible - or an AI algorithm that is either unbiased from the start or cannot be corrupted from user input - also impossible.

[CptnSpandex]

So just curious, what exactly was implemented in their reinforcement to anti-cheat with its HEALTH update or was that just purely a placebo to make peeps think they did something when in fact they did not ?

[Caldrin]

Cant say for sure but anyway all MP games have hackers its just really bad across the board in all games.

Hack devs are always one step ahead as there is just so much money to be made.. people literally pay $100s a month for them its crazy..

Never understand what people get out of cheating in MP games but there we go its a thing and they are in every game and this game will be do different.

[John Cena]

Originally posted by Dead Baron:

Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:

another solution is a real ID system which is unique to an individual. you need a real ID to play online and match with other real ID people. a ban on your real ID is a ban on you as a person instead of a ban on your software copy. real ID can be verified and any attempt to create a fake real ID or steal another one is felony fraud or identity theft.

You don't want this. It would backfire easily. A false accusation or a lazy/malevolent moderator and you're banned from multiple games?

Ban appeals never work. I was once banned from the cesspool of Twitter for example because an a__hole brigaded me with multiple accounts (quote literally said or acted in no way to deserve a ban), and to this day appeals get auto-denied. But his account is still active lol

You would need hundreds of thousands of unbiased human moderators - impossible - or an AI algorithm that is either unbiased from the start or cannot be corrupted from user input - also impossible.

the solution to this is to ban based on actual evidence and not speculation or # of reports.

this is like saying we shouldn't have a legal system because innocent people go to jail.

[Dead Baron]

Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:

Originally posted by Dead Baron:

You don't want this. It would backfire easily. A false accusation or a lazy/malevolent moderator and you're banned from multiple games?

Ban appeals never work. I was once banned from the cesspool of Twitter for example because an a__hole brigaded me with multiple accounts (quote literally said or acted in no way to deserve a ban), and to this day appeals get auto-denied. But his account is still active lol

You would need hundreds of thousands of unbiased human moderators - impossible - or an AI algorithm that is either unbiased from the start or cannot be corrupted from user input - also impossible.

the solution to this is to ban based on actual evidence and not speculation or # of reports.

this is like saying we shouldn't have a legal system because innocent people go to jail.

Never underestimate how stupid or malicious people in power can be. Proof doesn't matter if those in control don't care. I'm speaking from experience and there are countless more experiences out there.

Using the judicial system is a poor example (not just because we're only talking about games lol). The most corrupt politicians and celebrities, even when they're caught, get nothing more than an ankle bracelet. If they *do* see prison, they're still treated like kings, eg Al Capone's cell in freaking Alcatraz. Nine times out of ten though, it's rules for thee but not for me. (Alec Baldwin pre-meditively pulling back on the hammer of a single action army, killing one and wounding another, and is still walking for another example)

I feel this is going off topic though lol

[Mick]

Originally posted by Zothen:

Originally posted by MackDuck:

Regardless, they're more obvious in marauders, that's for sure. It's much easier to tell cheaters here when they're just walking up to you after 30 headshots and just killing you or using an infinite no reload missile launcher in space killing everyone etc etc.

Youre wrong. You are just spotting the fools - not experienced cheaters who try to hide their cheating. Those wont spoil their cheats to other players.
..how naive forum users are.... *shakes head*

Uhh...
yeah. That's why I said they're more obvious here. They're not trying to hide it.

[CptnSpandex]

Originally posted by Human:

It's really difficult to tell if the n00b implementation of EAC, or absolutely garbage netcode is to blame.

Putting health, armour values and such client side with zero anti cheat server side, yes it was noobed, with any game with client side eac they just delete it and bypass it so the game thinks it is running when infact it is not even there, said it before the game Hood did it perfectly a few days after they realised people were cheating and put it server side, but then 80% or more of their player base got banned instantly because they were all cheating.

[MrMarkilys]

Yeah, to add to OP's concerns, I (a new SOLO Marauder) have faced the "mag-dump" discrepancies. I have Mac-10 sprayed someone at close range (about 5m maximum) and my opponent had an MP40. As we engaged each other through two door ways, we both stood there for a solid 5 seconds loading into each other he got the last hit. I found out only 4 shots actually hit him out of 32. I controlled the spray, he was controlling his spray, I don't understand why or how this can happen AND it has happened more than once after this. Maybe it was bloom, maybe it was lag, but the fact of the matter is IT KEEPS HAPPENING. Even when I am bursting full-auto weapons. Something needs to be fixed.