How do headshot works?

[Damian Dam-Dam]

See, the thing is, I noticed from a lot of time that headshot vs players and npcs doesn't really, really makes sense.

Let me elaborate.

SAS soldiers, who most of the time wears Beret (Literally leather helmet protection, armor rating 3), in the navy outpost, where most engagements are really close quarters, I can ADS and magdump them in the face at point blank range; And the amusing part is, it takes like 5-10 bullets in the face from an MP40, PPSh, Thompson, Sten or something to kill them.

Yes, berets. Remember, shoot them in the face, not in the side, the back, the parts where any helmet would protect; In. The. Face. With nothing but a beret- And it takes them like, 5-10 shots in the face to down them.

No, I'm not complaining that this is too hard, or if they ever killed me; I didn't. Out of all NPCs, I never died once to them.

If anything, I just find the whole ordeal to be ridiculous. They are easy to kill, sure, and even if they are headshot sponges, they are still VERY easy to kill.

The question is, why?

Next, players.

Have anyone hear wear like full panzer armor set, welding mask, heavy stahlhelm and all that stuffs, and then from full 100% health, you get one hitted by what you can predict to be either pistols or low-cal weapons such as MP40/Mat-49/Sten/Luger/M712 etc from sound alone? From 100% HP with the heaviest, strongest armor, and you get one tapped?

See, I also found out something hilarious.

Out of all my engagement where I wear top tier armors such as plate rigs, panzer armor, full panzer, accompanied with PSH/Heavy Stahl/Welding helmet, I can get downed to barely 10% hp left after multipled engagement, heal up, and repeat. Could be from both players and NPCs combat, you know...

Then you hit inventory, and you check your armors durability.

Barely a scratch, or in most cases... they don't even get damaged at all.

This is where I come to a theory; Armor is broken. It could be the hit reg or anything, I'm not sure it's even ping issue; I'm 30ms enjoyer, all-time. But basically, it doesn't matters what armor you're using. I know that armors are 'bullet-resistant', not bulletproof. Therefore, in the case of failed penetration, you still get blunt trauma damage and yadda-yadda.

But I don't think after getting pelted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of 9mm, .45 ACP, .32, 10mm, 7.62s and such in one single match and your full body armor only getting 1 damage (99/100) for the entire match really is normal, or should be considered normal.

Like, are we seriously going to assume that 90% of the bullets that hits you is entirely limb body hits? I mean, think about it. If we have limb armor in the future, we won't even need body armor or helmets. We just put on some arm/leg armor and we're going to be almost bulletproof.

Also, in the case of anyone who's screaming 'Well helmet only protects your head but not your face', then how come people with welding mask still gets one tapped from 100% health against low cal like 9mm? They don't even stop them, you just die; Like, what is the purpose of armors that doesn't works?

Was it cheaters, or was it the game, or was it both?

[Offline]

Originally posted by Damian Dam-Dam:

Was it cheaters, or was it the game, or was it both?

Well, issue is you never know since you can't check damage logs or something like that.
Right now there are no seperate hitboxes for face and head. Face shot = Head shot.

The way damage works is actually somewhat simple:

You have a Luger doing 24dmg, enemie has a helmet with 8 Armor.
You do a headshot.
24dmg-8armor=16 then 16*3,5=56 3,5 is the headshot multiplier.

So you can kill someone with decent armor with just a luger in 2 hits.

Now to the bots, i believe the SAS bots have more health than a regular player to make them harder to deal with without tuning the AI. It is just a assumption but i have noticed aswell that you need plenty of bullets for them.

[Macdallan]

The best armour in the game at the moment gives 10 armour value and so does the best helmet but even that won't save you from multiple head shots.

When wearing a 10 armour value helmet the Luger still ends up doing 14 damage to the body and 14 x 3.5 damage to the head, that's 49 points of damage. That means it only takes three hits with the Luger to kill someone who is wearing the best helmet in the game if all three shots hit the head but you'll survive two with 2 health remaining. Of course with weaker guns the numbers get a little better, but the weaker guns still do about 20 or 21 damage per hit. With that 3.5 modifier even a gun that does 20 base damage only needs three head shots to kill you if you have a 10 point helmet.

I think Offline is right about the SAS soldiers, they seem to take a few more hits than everything else I've fought so they probably have higher health.

[Gandope The Green]

I do think there is something wonky going on.

I have point blank barrel stuffed people with sawed off and not gotten a kill until the 4th shells but been 1-2 tapped by it at 50 metres in full lvl 9.

[Mac]

They are SAS, well noted around the world for being harder to kill - i think its like, for every 1 SAS member, its 100 US soldiers ... equivalent or something, in terms of survivability and efficiency factors i mean. This is a British game maker and UK distribution company, so of course they'll make the SAS soldiers ingame harder to kill, they are based on the actual SAS.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Mr. Popo:

I do think there is something wonky going on.

I have point blank barrel stuffed people with sawed off and not gotten a kill until the 4th shells but been 1-2 tapped by it at 50 metres in full lvl 9.

Yeah, if the damage from the wiki is accurate that should two shot anyone if you're that close no matter what armour they have on. I'm wondering if arm and leg hits do less damage than chest hits. Head is 3.5 x, body is 1.0 x, maybe limbs are 0.6 x or perhaps even lower than that.

A sawed off could still kill you from 50 meters, I suppose, but it's just not very likely it would hit at that range. We all know that RNG happens because sometimes spray and pray works but if it's happening a lot you might want to let the developers know directly.

[rotax]

I've always felt like armor just isn't working as intended in this game i just don't care enough about it.

I find I can take way more hits in craftable level 8 gear compared to when I walk Into a raid with full level 10 panzer and I get one shot.

I've literally died to one single hit my health goes from 100-0 instantly. And this only ever happens in level 10/9 panzer.

I'm going to assume there is a bit of desync and the players actually fire more than one shot but visually it doesn't look that way.

[Blessed Heretic]

Originally posted by rotax:

I've always felt like armor just isn't working as intended in this game i just don't care enough about it.

I find I can take way more hits in craftable level 8 gear compared to when I walk Into a raid with full level 10 panzer and I get one shot.

I've literally died to one single hit my health goes from 100-0 instantly. And this only ever happens in level 10/9 panzer.

I'm going to assume there is a bit of desync and the players actually fire more than one shot but visually it doesn't look that way.

I notice the same, Chest Rig runs often end up being my longest lived ones.

[Damian Dam-Dam]

Conclusion;
- NPCs are bullet sponge
- Top tier armor is useless, stick with super budget armors like the Rating 6-8 armor rig
- Getting better weapons such as the MG42 and such useless as starter unlock weapons like the MP40, Mat-49 etc works the same with better access to bullets, affordability etc
- Armor is useless
- Also did I mention that Armor is pretty useless

[pRaX]

I can tell you that there is no face hitbox. There is only the head and helmets cover it with damage reduction entirely. If you get 1 tapped by Luger through a higher tier helmet, be assured that something was bugged (possible armor bug) or fishy going on.

Anyone who wants to tell you that there is a face hitbox is talking out of their rectal area or parroting from someone else's.

[Field Democracy Officer]

The headshot thing works with shields, I was wearing a riot helmet and got 1 shot domed in the head by and NPC using a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ small shield