I am of the belief.

[[TSR] TactiCol]

That this franchise will die out. The pricing structure, dlc model and what I can best describe as greed from a developer perspective alongside the fact that the game itself is largely outdated, without any new real groundbreaking features will ensure it's demise.

I used to love this franchise back in the beginning but, I won't come near it now. If any of the devs read this, I'd seriously advise rethinking your marketing, pricing and development of the product and offer gamers far more for much less.

Continue on your current trajectory and I am not entirely sure we will see another version of the franchise. That would be a real shame.

This is not an attack on the devs btw, just my observations. I loved this franchise once upon a time and would love to see it flourish again.

[lindacor]

I agree with the above.

[Cyber_Chupacabra]

For me the last straw was locking the Surv 2.0, that to me was the biggest selling point of 22, behind Trainz Plus sub fee.

Maybe I missed some small print but I was not suspecting that will be a thing.

I`m not mad just disappointed. But they know what they are doing, Trainz is still the best route building train game (at least to my knowledge) and many folks will bite.

[m.elizabethpate]

I think it's because I bought the game too early. I bought it on June 1, while I should have bought it at least June 2

[thilliam]

I can confirm that our demise has been greatly exaggerated for the past 20 years.

Each version of Trainz has outsold the previous one. Greed indicates we're feasting beyond our needs whereas, quite simply, the core purchase helps pay for ongoing development and the DLC revenues are split with the content creators.

We don't expect everyone to update immediately, but as with TRS19, there is soon a point reached where the latest version is the most popular.

Trainz Plus has always offered the latest features and these migrate into future Trainz versions once we've finalised development.

We're a small team and we'd love to more features more quickly and charge less. But our business model is to ensure we generate enough revenue to cover our ongoing costs, and we manage to do that with our current model.

So I hope this explanation helps clarify that we're not buying Lamborghinis and eating caviar for breakfast.

[m.elizabethpate]

Originally posted by thilliam:

I can confirm that our demise has been greatly exaggerated for the past 20 years.

Each version of Trainz has outsold the previous one. Greed indicates we're feasting beyond our needs whereas, quite simply, the core purchase helps pay for ongoing development and the DLC revenues are split with the content creators.

We don't expect everyone to update immediately, but as with TRS19, there is soon a point reached where the latest version is the most popular.

Trainz Plus has always offered the latest features and these migrate into future Trainz versions once we've finalised development.

We're a small team and we'd love to more features more quickly and charge less. But our business model is to ensure we generate enough revenue to cover our ongoing costs, and we manage to do that with our current model.

So I hope this explanation helps clarify that we're not buying Lamborghinis and eating caviar for breakfast.

So it's not because I bought the game too early (bought it on June 1, while I should buy it at least June 2)?

[[TSR] TactiCol]

Originally posted by thilliam:

I can confirm that our demise has been greatly exaggerated for the past 20 years.

That may be so but, not by me. Time will tell who was right and who was wrong on this occasion. My gut feeling is that this is the beginning of the end for your franchise.

Originally posted by thilliam:

Each version of Trainz has outsold the previous one. Greed indicates we're feasting beyond our needs whereas, quite simply, the core purchase helps pay for ongoing development and the DLC revenues are split with the content creators.

Are those figures in the public domain regarding copies sold? If the core purchase is paying for the development, why is there so little by way of changes over so many iterations of the product?

With regard to DLC revenues, is it not time to consider a free model especially given the base price? Other games have huge modding communities that do it for the love not the money. They are very successful with that model?

Do you think you would have the same level of success or the same number of modders creating content for your product without a financial incentive? If not, why not? If so, then why continue with the existing model if the people that pay the ultimate price are those that purchased the core product? Is that really a fair practice where your end users are concerned?

Originally posted by thilliam:

Trainz Plus has always offered the latest features and these migrate into future Trainz versions once we've finalised development.

We're a small team and we'd love to more features more quickly and charge less. But our business model is to ensure we generate enough revenue to cover our ongoing costs, and we manage to do that with our current model.

So I hope this explanation helps clarify that we're not buying Lamborghinis and eating caviar for breakfast.

There are smaller teams with smaller budgets that strike me as being far more productive in terms of development and product features. There are in fact one man bands that bring more content updates in a much shorter time-frame than seems to be the case with Auran.

What changes have you actually implemented from the previous version to the current version to make it worth the current price tag for the latest iteration of the product? I'm curious to see what changes you consider to be worthy of being deemed a new generation of product and whether its justified at the current price.

I'm not suggesting you are buying lambos and eating caviar either btw. What I am saying is that the product does not merit the price and the DLC model is no longer fit for purpose. I feel that you are asking too much and giving too little. I am also of the belief that to continue with this structure will ultimately lead to the products demise. You are one good competitor away from that becoming a stark reality IMHO.

As I said previously, that would be a real shame.

[MugHug]

Originally posted by TSR TactiCol:

I am of the belief.

That this franchise will die out.

One may think that with all the disillusioned ex-TRS users out there, TRS would die eventually. But the reality is that there are always plenty more fish (with money burning their pockets) out in the sea to hook.

Bearing in mind that they are dealing with typical humans, all it takes is a little effort, an understanding of psychology in the right quarters, some nice advertising and you can sell anything to many out there. Just look at the buying habits of most Steam users and you can see how TRS survives, even if the quality is questionable.

[m.elizabethpate]

Do you all understand that the reason why the stuff we buy in TRS22 where not in the game itself, is because I bought the game to early (Bought it on June 1 while I should have bought it on June 2)

[Squid]

I'm sorry but if you are a small team and every version outsells the previous then I think you should be driving Lamborghinis. I would not bother with eating caviar for breakfast there are better options.

[m.elizabethpate]

I see.