Mall difficulties after 1.0

[Sir_Lex]

Hi, I've unlocked Mall map, i'm trying to do the quests but the map is full of "Watchers", they smoke you in 2 sec and they are dozens in the map. Didn't even got the chance to kill KIBBA because he, as well, kills you on sights.
I'm wearing lvl 6 armor (token from the watchers), sr25 with m61 but still seems impossible to defeat them or be able to kill so many.

Is it normal or is a skill issue from my side? What did equip you use to complete the Mall quests?

Thanks in advance!

[Duduka]

Oh man, it's gonna get even worse. Late game missions are a pain in the back. Watchers are OP. Your equipment is OK, maybe EC 308 will help a little. You should level up your skill anyway.

[Sir_Lex]

Originally posted by Duduka:

Oh man, it's gonna get even worse. Late game missions are a pain in the back. Watchers are OP. Your equipment is OK, maybe EC 308 will help a little. You should level up your skill anyway.

Still never found ec 308, didn't took any faction side (green army or crimson), I'm lvl 10 with all skill maxed, rifle and dmr maxed out. I'm picking fights carefully, but the Watchers are tough even with m61. I don't know what could I do better honestly, the Mall is full of this dudes. What do you suggest other then ec308?

Thanks!

[Duduka]

I understand your frustration. Late missions took me 5-10 tries to beat, and I am honestly thinking to take a break and wait for balance patch, because the frusration is real. It's really not much you can do at the moment to change your experience. "Git good" is always an option, but i feel that juice isn't worth the squeeze. Late game is just feel unfair an unbalanced for now.

P.S. You can find EC 308 on Watchers and lvl6 armor Hunters, but it's not common.

[Rogue Lolicon]

Originally posted by Sir_Lex:

Originally posted by Duduka:

Oh man, it's gonna get even worse. Late game missions are a pain in the back. Watchers are OP. Your equipment is OK, maybe EC 308 will help a little. You should level up your skill anyway.

Still never found ec 308, didn't took any faction side (green army or crimson), I'm lvl 10 with all skill maxed, rifle and dmr maxed out. I'm picking fights carefully, but the Watchers are tough even with m61. I don't know what could I do better honestly, the Mall is full of this dudes. What do you suggest other then ec308?

Thanks!

Be sure to use the highest penetration ammo whenever you fight them. (black dot tip on ammo)

The DMR are fun to use such as the SKOP H or RS 25. N10 is harder to use due to MOD limitation to reduce Recoil. Deck the weapons with the lowest recoil. Since this help landing your shots within at tight crosshair which should instantly kill 1 within a second.

Ideally when they are far, you want to kill one in short burst before the whole gang come out of the woods. Once they start chasing you and closing in, dont aim and "hip fire" to send lead out in the field as much as possible.

Not sure about rifles right now, since Im trying to max my pistol level first which is frustrating to do given to not killing Class 5/6 armor enemies quickly.

[Demba93]

I have EC 308 and Marauder 700 Moder with attachements, Penetration bullets for bouth and I don't have problem with Kibba and Watchers, but on the first few times I met I was dying like a baby, after a few tries and with better equipment you will definitely manage. Cyclops wacher aromor in my case change was this change.

[Demba93]

I have question, do you also have weird healing value when you use perk "Field Medic"?

[Sir_Lex]

Again, i'm using best penetration ammo, m61 or equivalent. Best mods for sr25 or equivalent. Class 6 armor, granades etc. Now i'll try to user bolt action to snipe them out. But as Duduka said, maybe some balance has to be made in the next update. Will try again and again, feeling sad though :(

[Duduka]

Originally posted by Sir_Lex:

Again, i'm using best penetration ammo, m61 or equivalent. Best mods for sr25 or equivalent. Class 6 armor, granades etc. Now i'll try to user bolt action to snipe them out. But as Duduka said, maybe some balance has to be made in the next update. Will try again and again, feeling sad though :(

Grenades are very good actually. Especially to initiate the fight, when enemy is not in the fight mode yet and don't see you. AI seems do not notice grenades in this mode, so you can wipe out the whole group with one grenade, no matter what armor class they are.

I wish you luck, but just be aware that you will soon ecnounter story missions which are all about fighting Watchers in close quarters. And I mean a lot of them, around 20-25 per mission. Bolt rifle will not help in this, as they aggro by large groups of 5-7, and without high AP auto fire (EC 308 again) they will take over you in seconds. That's my experience.

[Sir_Lex]

Really appreciate the advice!
Guys i think i will take a pause for a while lol, Mall with P90 (best AP bullet) + EDL (the bolt action) with m61 + class 6. I fought Big + like 15 watchers and I was surrounded by other 3-4 (?) watchers. Is it really tough, I'll wait some days to see if some balance will come and try again later.

Btw in this situation bolt action with m61 2 tap class 6 watchers, right now is good, later on as Duduka said i think it will not help!

[COINCELPRO]

Originally posted by Demba93:

I have question, do you also have weird healing value when you use perk "Field Medic"?

yeah, they feel halved or about as much

[AvivLobel]

the only way to deal with watcher is to use long range sniper with the highest pene ammo .
even with sniper it take 1- 3 shot to take them down , but u can always shoot and run using scope as ur advantage.

u never go close combat with them

[Sir_Lex]

BTW I see a general difficoulty increase overall in all the maps, this is good but downside is that high lvl armor is not reliable anymore, bandits now are professional sniper with DMR that hit you with a 360 no scope. Overall I like this 1.0 but I suffer from some lacking balancing.

[AversionFX]

Came here to see if I was alone feeling this way. I am (was) at roughly the same point - the world has progressed to a point where every human enemy has high level armor and are all using AP ammo. Even with level 6 armor, I can take AT MOST 4-7 hits before I am dead.

My enjoyment has nosedived since I opened Zakov City.

I've restarted with a lower difficulty with enemies dealing about 20% less damage to see if that will make enough of a difference. The game is too grindy on its own without how hard combat falls off lategame.

[Nishi Kinuyo]

Watchered happened before 1.0, btw
All you had to do since.. ¿0.52? was progress the crystal storyline far enough.

As for dealing with such small numbers of watchers; I've had decent success with the AVT-40 while wearing Hunter Suit (Class 4).

But if Cyclops Suit greens are spawning for you, try to find one with a Sha-12 and loot it off his corpse. Sha-12 is love.

[HP OfficeJet Pro 9015 All-in-One]

Originally posted by COINCELPRO:

Originally posted by Demba93:

I have question, do you also have weird healing value when you use perk "Field Medic"?

yeah, they feel halved or about as much

Agreed, kind of misses the point of the whole perk especially since you could just cancel the original animations if you wanted to heal less in a shorter time lol