How do armors work ?

[xTRACKERx]

as the title says.
I don't really understand it.

first of all: I play hc and always start over after death, so have not really had much choice because I mostly despite almost 100 hours still die of some animals^^
so about the armor ...
You spend a lot of money on it and I still NEVER have the feeling that the things would protect me.
Today I've died 5 or 6 times because someone has finished me with a Prokarov?! in the forest.
I mostly wore the (100%) Police Armor, which also costs 28000 and that takes quite a long time to earn at the beginning. Nevertheless I never really noticed that its uselful. Against animals not at all and as I said: Pistol Finisher? (or was I just unlucky with the ammunition the enemy uses?)
It protects against shotguns but shotguns are crap..expect ne black long one with slugs..
Of course it shouldn't stop a shot from an AK, but then I really wonder if I should skip all the lvl 1-4 armor completely if it's no good.

[Og-the-Trog]

The 'tutorial' in the menu should explain a little bit.
As I understand it, the 'penetration' value has a 90% chance of penetrating 1/10th it's value in armor class.
So 20 pen has a 90% chance of doing damage through class-2 armor, 30 pen has a 90% chance of penetrating class-3 armor, etc.
Also, the higher the fragility, the fewer shots the armor can take. 50+ is generally only good for ~4 shots, and protection may or may not be effected by current durability %, though I'm not sure.

As an aside, I imagine this is a rough game for ironman...
Can't wait till you get killed by the invisible, bugged, stuck-in-wall enemies..

[xTRACKERx]

90% i get killed by stupid boars.. today: 9x -.- think i take a break for a while.. ^^

[Og-the-Trog]

ya might have more fun just playing the game not-ironman, friend
Even at high levels there's a not-inconsiderable chance of having 2 bullets plow straight through your armor and kill your run in half a second. It's rare, but still...more fun to be daring every once in a while than play it safe 100% of the time anyway.

[FoxyFox]

you can skip all 1-3 armor. 3 class is 50/50. not worth it at all bc some men use armor piercing bullets lvl ~30-40. also you can get armor 1-4 class through quests. or just kill Arman, he always drop one beautiful 4 class armor each time. he appears at "camp".

no one armor could save your life if you was shot by >30 bullets per second. buy armor piercing bullets, NV (1 lvl is fine, 2 is garbage, 3 is very good), loot 20+ damage and 600+ rpm rifle (much better with supressor!!!!!!!) and go on hunt at night so you see them but they don't see YOU. shoot them before they shoot you.
ECM + NV + supressor + armor piercing = win.
zz vel + NV + armor piercing = imba.

against animals: take second gun with 900+ rpm, 50+ magazine and super cheep ammo just to shoot off all kind of beasts before they run and bite you. no armor need for that. F90 is good!

lazers on both guns are very useful!

[Og-the-Trog]

Originally posted by FoxyFox:

against animals: take second gun with 900+ rpm, 50+ magazine and super cheep ammo just to shoot off all kind of beasts before they run and bite you. no armor need for that. F90 is good!!

This is one of the few use cases where shotguns are good.
Buckshot, aim for the head, and you can one-shot wolves/ghouls/boars/blinks.
boulder>>n153>spas>toz>sawn-off
n153 is fine but the low mag cap (and the extremely low-range) is an achilles heel in this game.
Honestly preferred using a sniper rifle against unarmored (animal) targets and a high-rof high-pen against armored humans, vs vice versa.

[xTRACKERx]

thx for the tips. :)

and again a 5 hour run downed by stupid wolfes.. lol.. sneaking around a house and exaclty there right next to me when im tumbling around the corner..6 or more wolfes. no chance. -.-
i rly like this game but thats on reason why no one should it play on hardcore. the pure speed of the wolfes is crazy hmpf. i never get out of the stupid forest :-(

[Og-the-Trog]

Hmm, are you actually locked into the forest until you complete the train conductor's task?? If not, maybe you could try farming the railcars in the industrial map- there's an unguarded fortune up there, if you can slip by everything via the western edge.
Just stay away from the extreme western edge of that northern yard and it should be fine.

[xTRACKERx]

oh i finished the mission for the conductor several times but i though that the other areas are more dangerous^^ i try´d the second area but theres to much Radiation for a new char i think. ok i will give the industrial map a try :-)

[FoxyFox]

wait. how to play hc? it says "in development"

[xTRACKERx]

i just start a new game and overwrite my old one.. today 11 times -.- i fking HATE Wolfes and Boars...

[Og-the-Trog]

Can't you avoid them?
Only times I've *had* to fight animals was when they were nesting at the extraction zone, and even then I'd just turn around and go to the other extract if needed.

[xTRACKERx]

no idea what I am doing wrong. ^^
I play rather slowly and pay really close attention to where I'm going.
But sometimes it seems to me as if the recognition range of the animals is extremely high.
Sometimes I go around a rock and am attacked because theyr animals hiding behind.
Or I defend myself against something, go backwards and get attacked by a boar or wolf....

I try for a week to survive a little longer.... But something always messes me the run. in most cases its an animal. (Against everything else there are armors that work so quite well)
The problem is not that you are often attacked by them. The problem is that when they get too close you are 100% dead. The pure speed from the critters is a reason why its so hard.
anyway. seems like I'm just not good enough yet :-P


but i will try again..and again! i will make it! :)

[FoxyFox]

Originally posted by xTRACKERx:

i just start a new game and overwrite my old one.. today 11 times -.- i fking HATE Wolfes and Boars...

so... does it meen.... you play classic game but not hardcore? ((

[FoxyFox]

Originally posted by xTRACKERx:

i just start a new game and overwrite my old one.. today 11 times -.- i fking HATE Wolfes and Boars...

well. i died a lot first 15 hours of gameplay. it's okay. but i were killed by hunters or lazars bc they have good armor, guns. and also it's difficult to see hunters in forest behind trees... i died a lot :_D

try listening soud of animals. like wolfs do "AWOOO", blinks and ghouls growls and do sound of steps like humans. play with a headset))

[Og-the-Trog]

Originally posted by xTRACKERx:

[snip]Sometimes I go around a rock and am attacked because theyr animals hiding behind.
Or I defend myself against something, go backwards and get attacked by a boar or wolf....[snip]

Keep an eye out for those rocks- I've turned up shadow opacity to near 100% so that I know when I'm approaching things I can't actually see behind, and when I am I take myself in a circuitous route to clear it.
A bit of careful planning should prevent that latter situation too- if it's just some little camp, you should establish your escape route with just a small peek on either side of your route of approach- make a safe quadrant you should be good to retreat into. For larger bases you can scout around the whole perimeter a screen and a half before going in.
Point is, look before you go somewhere, don't go blind or let yourself be taken by surprise.

You've gotta be ***really*** on top of this if you want to play hardcore mode, which is why it might be more fun to not do so.

And I'm not joking about those bugged-out invisible enemies, when you start entering structures you'll find out quick. Bring extra bandages.