What's the point of sniper

[VECT]

I'm at the end game now, spec'd sniper and stealth.
With a fully modded and decked out AR it's pretty much superior to a dedicated sniper rifle in every way.
90% of mobs you still one-tap with scoped AR. Even Arman/Kiba goes down in one scoped burst.
Sniper rifles if you miss you are screwed if you don't one-tap you are screwed.

[b0nehead]

Don't miss

[TimeSpiralNemesis]

I believe it still works for any scoped gun right? So when you scope in with something like a ZZ vel it still enhances the damage unless I'm wrong.

[ZweiBier]

sniper works for every weapon as long as it has a scope.

[VECT]

I should have said what's the point with sniper RIFLES.
The sniper perk is absolutely busted.

[The Ruiner]

I still use the VS98 to one tap tougher enemies like Lazar

[Rin Palora]

Until you max out the Sniper Specialization or if for whatever reason you don't wanna go Sniper/Stealth you can't do that (1 tap enemies with AR). So that's the point of them as of now.

Just because some builds make them redundant doesn't mean they're redundant for everyone always.

[Rodrigo]

with sniper scopes you can see further while aiming.

[Baron01]

ARs require you to get relatively close to enemies, which is "ok-ish" for standard enemies but bosses like Arman or Kibba can tear you a new a-hole very fast even in class 5 armor, which is best you can buy. I prefer to 1-tap (truly 1-tap) these hard enemies with my decked out Marauder 700 and M61 AP ammo. Granted, I can deal with most enemies with my ZZ VEL using BP ammo as well but it is a lot more dangerous endeavor and often cost me repair bill for my SEVA suit.

However, I would agree that Sniper perk should only work bolt action rifles only and be disabled when using automatic fire guns.

[VECT]

That's the thing, AR with scope DOESN'T require you to get close to enemies; they have the same effect range as sniper rifles.

Also I have the suspicion the hit-scan nature of scopes when it's directly on mobs takes recoil completely out of the equation with automatic fire.

But It doesn't really matter at the moment because all I hear is ZZZZ and bosses are dead in less than half a second at max range.

[Abyssal Crow]

In your particular run? there is no point anymore lol. Congrats you minmaxed a build that makes bolt-actions irrelevant since you still 1-shot people regardless. In most other runs? they offer a higher damage surprise or long range attack that not alot of other weapons can give. Can even open a fire with a shot and switch to a different weapon or use it to prod enemy numbers by backing up after every shot and moving to another spot. Honestly sniper should probably have effects based off the weapon type rather than just a flat bonus, if it gave snipers the max bonus it does now but something like a shotgun with buckshot only like 10% it'd make using a SNIPER RIFLE for the SNIPER PERK more fitting.

[Baron01]

引用自 VECT：

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Also I have the suspicion the hit-scan nature of scopes when it's directly on mobs takes recoil completely out of the equation with automatic fire.

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This part is broken if it still grants hit-scan trait to automatic fire weapons. I never tried that is why I mentioned needing to get close because no matter how accurate and low recoil AR you have, some bullets will fly astray.

My suggestion to fix this is still valid, make Sniper perk only work with bolt-action guns.

[bertwill9470]

sniper oneshot kill fast ez safe long accurate they dont fires back

[Delta]

Despite the Dmg buff given to Scoped play vs reflex/hipfire - it would still be hard to tune ease-of-gameplay that Hitscan provides. 2 Tap-Hitscanning Kibba with fully kitted and silenced Mutant (NC47) or 3 Tap with N4 kinda drives the point. Whereas hipfire unsilenced can almost guarantee you'll end up tanking a hit or 2 before he drops.

The problem also lies in the other lackluster specs. If they provided more relevant/unique traits to compete with Stealth/Sniper/Modder Specs, then I wouldn't see a problem.

[Bert]

引用自 VECT：

I'm at the end game now, spec'd sniper and stealth.
With a fully modded and decked out AR it's pretty much superior to a dedicated sniper rifle in every way.
90% of mobs you still one-tap with scoped AR. Even Arman/Kiba goes down in one scoped burst.
Sniper rifles if you miss you are screwed if you don't one-tap you are screwed.

Its because full auto at any range is stupidly op in this game... the devs watched to many movies.

[Captain Eierstock]

What do you mean with endgame? Is there an end? I thought i would be endless :D.