Lets talk the Mishima🤔

[SaberKai]

After studying all they moves and my opinion will stand and could care less about others opinions but

Kazuya is OP everyone down play him but he's no broken and honestly easy to plot no Bullshxxt and really talk
Easy imput with good or if not better lock down
D+F 1,2 very strong and cant easily punish nor time the high hit after. Has tracking
D+F 2 fccking bursted need nerf
EGWF 1+2 is ridiculous strong.
D+B 4 very fccking good low in game

Devil jin honestly he's take alot of time and effort but not OP but really Strong. And needs a buff. I don't know wat that is yet but let's just see

Jin (not really a Mishima)
I already said what he needs. A nerf to scorcge and 214 start frame 12 to 10

Heihachi by far the utmost fairly and true of a pure Mishima in game. No BS except for abit here and there.

Reina i still stand wat i said about her she's is not good or bad just great. But supposed to be a evasive characters but that doesn't show at her if her moves show she's dodging high mid and still get hit but BS but yeat xiaoyu can literally do the same thing and never get touch at all during Phoenix stance. And yes I main her and I know what I'm talking about.

Let see about season 2

[76561199808210037]

Ye buff Jins starting frames from 12 > 10....

Jin needs a real good nerf.
Kazuya is 50/50 and needs no nerfs....wth

DJ can be delted from game
Raina is a legin spam char, constant pressing buttons. Starting frames need a nerf.

[Jetstream Sam]

holy shmoly, dont ever let this guy cook again. scrub detected

[korwshin]

Jin has unlocked his devil genes and took control. He is supposed to be OP. and for Kazuya. come on. just side step left and then block when you wake up and guess well. This takes care of 95% of Kazuyas online.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Don't embarass youself more and drop fent pls

[SantaBeliever]

Originally posted by korwshin:

Jin has unlocked his devil genes and took control. He is supposed to be OP. and for Kazuya. come on. just side step left and then block when you wake up and guess well. This takes care of 95% of Kazuyas online.

As someone who started playing kazuya i dont think ssl is his weakness (db4, df2, df12) . Im struggling more against backdashers

[pablonesmrtelny]

It would be cool if they toned down the tracking on Kazuya ff2 and df1, those moves are great for checking - they shouldnt serve for checking SS too (ff2 feels even worse in heat) I hate him as a demon paw char. Also the safe mid extension of df1 shouldnt have that pushback. Its strange to have kazuya running around throwing safe mid mids with that tracking and not even lose turn. Its only funny 2nd hit is CH launcher and NH splat. Also more importantly EWGF should be consistently steppable on consistent timings but that is more of a systemic issue. Sidestep is broken in T8. Sometimes you actually have to SSR the EWGF and SSL gets clipped and you gotta exactly know when that happens. also d1+2 is a joke but at least it doesnt have the range and tracking of Jin d2 so its not a real issue - but imho design-wise those lows could have lower dmg IF they are to serve as a low CH launcher so they are not an NH chunky low too.

Jin is just broken - they will never fix him. I don't even wanna bother with him.

DJ is a joke - they made a cancerous gimmicky abomination of a char that always has been fundamental. Doesnt even matter how strong he is cause he is always terrible to play as or against. At least he is not actually strong.

Reina is ok. She actually motivates movement after the ff2 nerf. Actually one of the few chars where neutral feels interactive.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by korwshin:

Jin has unlocked his devil genes and took control. He is supposed to be OP. and for Kazuya. come on. just side step left and then block when you wake up and guess well. This takes care of 95% of Kazuyas online.

Mate, we're no longer in T7, SSL doesn't work against him anymore, even less so with SSL block, unless ofc, you play Lili. If you're a Lili player, I'll forgive your ignorance as she can still SSL.

d/f1 got a lot of tracking in T8, only Lili and Victor can side step it, ff2 exists and his is one of the hardest ff2's to side step, d/b4 is nearly homing, even d1+2 can be annoying to step.

Even hellsweep is iffy and has to be taken on a character by character basis. Alisa for example can't do SSL block, as she'll get clipped by the hellsweep, and she's got the 2nd best side step.

So yea, SSL was maybe a T7 thing, in T8 it doesn't work unless you play Lili.

[Friestine]

I find Kazuya to be the most manegable cus I've had to fight him by far the most.
But seriously F Jin. I want him buried 10 feet under next to Clive.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫:

Originally posted by korwshin:

Jin has unlocked his devil genes and took control. He is supposed to be OP. and for Kazuya. come on. just side step left and then block when you wake up and guess well. This takes care of 95% of Kazuyas online.

Mate, we're no longer in T7, SSL doesn't work against him anymore, even less so with SSL block, unless ofc, you play Lili. If you're a Lili player, I'll forgive your ignorance as she can still SSL.

d/f1 got a lot of tracking in T8, only Lili and Victor can side step it, ff2 exists and his is one of the hardest ff2's to side step, d/b4 is nearly homing, even d1+2 can be annoying to step.

Even hellsweep is iffy and has to be taken on a character by character basis. Alisa for example can't do SSL block, as she'll get clipped by the hellsweep, and she's got the 2nd best side step.

So yea, SSL was maybe a T7 thing, in T8 it doesn't work unless you play Lili.

You sidewalk kazuya not side step tho and it takes care of his df1 (if he even has frames to do that as you pressure this char and sidewalk to win). If you want to complain about tracking talk about range and hitbox of ff2 cause that is the clue of his new tracking that covers so many options (it can hit from ridiculous range if delayed where you can see that realistic hitbox does not even connect and he hits you)

That said the true kazuya players will apply iws and underutilised ws3 (mfs use this ♥♥♥♥ more it is -3 mid homing with great range)

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫:

Mate, we're no longer in T7, SSL doesn't work against him anymore, even less so with SSL block, unless ofc, you play Lili. If you're a Lili player, I'll forgive your ignorance as she can still SSL.

d/f1 got a lot of tracking in T8, only Lili and Victor can side step it, ff2 exists and his is one of the hardest ff2's to side step, d/b4 is nearly homing, even d1+2 can be annoying to step.

Even hellsweep is iffy and has to be taken on a character by character basis. Alisa for example can't do SSL block, as she'll get clipped by the hellsweep, and she's got the 2nd best side step.

So yea, SSL was maybe a T7 thing, in T8 it doesn't work unless you play Lili.

You sidewalk kazuya not side step tho and it takes care of his df1 (if he even has frames to do that as you pressure this char and sidewalk to win). If you want to complain about tracking talk about range and hitbox of ff2 cause that is the clue of his new tracking that covers so many options (it can hit from ridiculous range if delayed where you can see that realistic hitbox does not even connect and he hits you)

That said the true kazuya players will apply iws and underutilised ws3 (mfs use this ♥♥♥♥ more it is -3 mid homing with great range)

That's just confirming what I said. Guy said to SSL, I said it doesn't work

[天佑中共🐥the light]

Jin mirror is fun as heck, esp when both players know zen

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

You sidewalk kazuya not side step tho and it takes care of his df1 (if he even has frames to do that as you pressure this char and sidewalk to win). If you want to complain about tracking talk about range and hitbox of ff2 cause that is the clue of his new tracking that covers so many options (it can hit from ridiculous range if delayed where you can see that realistic hitbox does not even connect and he hits you)

That said the true kazuya players will apply iws and underutilised ws3 (mfs use this ♥♥♥♥ more it is -3 mid homing with great range)

That's just confirming what I said. Guy said to SSL, I said it doesn't work

Well he clearly does not understand that you should sidewalk this char but yes overall tracking is an issue i just pinpointed the bigger issue of tracking in therms of his movelist aka one tool for with addition of tracking

[Boss]

Originally posted by SaberKai:

EGWF 1+2

I already suspected you have no idea what you're talking about, but I stopped reading after this.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫:

That's just confirming what I said. Guy said to SSL, I said it doesn't work

Well he clearly does not understand that you should sidewalk this char but yes overall tracking is an issue i just pinpointed the bigger issue of tracking in therms of his movelist aka one tool for with addition of tracking

Tracking needs heavy nerfs. There's no logical reason where I'm way out off axis or even behind someone and still get hit.

This also shows that side steps are good, I am able to get heavily off axis and behind others, it's just that tracking makes it pointless.

[Wizard]

reina is literally the worst char in the game. she can be good they say.
but for that you'd need perfect wavu and electric.
know the 1001 combo that end in - frames and never do these.
never go into stance cause they can just punch u or grab.
know every character most used cheese.

basically you need to know the game at a insane level, to be average.

you are basically fightning yourself most of the game.
worst power crush, worst burst. lack a lots of tools
a crazy amount of bug with certain matchup, always in the opponent advantage.
good power crush cancel the character.

etc etc etc. peoples say shes op but that would just be for god rank player level.

everything she has is easily shut down, and peoples don't want that changed.

new last 2 dlc just made it worst.
heihachi is faster and dmg wise is crazy.
you basically get a free round with his new super burst.

idk about you but i don't think having a free round in a fight is fair.