Lars

[Omnislash]

I genuinly can't understand why we have t bear with that kind of toxic design.

Jump on you from the other half on the screen, collect an unavoidable +5 frame and mix you up from there.
HOW IS THAT REMOTELY OKAY DESIGN?

[leon]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by leon:

i am tekken king with lars

In that case its genuinely possible you dont yet know the attributes of his moves.

So rest assured your opinion will change DRASTICALLY once you learn the char.

Whatever bro

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by Imperial:

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

Neutral-skip is Tekken 8.

Wasn't Lars neutral skip in T7 already? It's a very annoying matchup.

Absolutely not Lars in T7 was a meme character for 3 seasons, I still remember his combos were broken (read: horrible and in need to fix) with him having to dash in and do three df+1s in a row as filler. Took them 3 seasons and a half to make him decent. Having that useless df+2,1 high and ark blast -14 were a relic from the past, truly. The only thing they did to buff his evasion was giving a few frames of crouch status to f+3, which was ridiculous given how the game worked.

[Castyles]

Good thing Lars players are few and far between, btw.

I haven't played many online matches but I faced like 10 Lars, overall, all ranked between late green to early red. The only one I managed to beat was when I was playing Dragunov, pre-patches.

I had the luck to guess right for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ once and just kept them on the air, with some juggles. So here's an idea, if you struggle against this monkey.

[Omnislash]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Omnislash:

I genuinly can't understand why we have t bear with that kind of toxic design.

Jump on you from the other half on the screen, collect an unavoidable +5 frame and mix you up from there.
HOW IS THAT REMOTELY OKAY DESIGN?

Yes. Yes he is.

Perfectly fitting in this broken game.

Lars is among the worst game designs both visually and gameplay-wise but the worst thing is... i have issues singling him out as worse and more braindead char than others in t8.

You just skip neutral into 50-50s into heat into better 50-50s.

Counterplay? Well skip neutral faster than him! Then 50-50s into heat into better 50-50s. And counterplay to that? :D you know it...

Not to mention his UE mixup is absolutely disgusting in heat. A 35 dmg sweep that is only-12 and a safe launcher? uh what?

why is 2,1 a safe punish that goes into stance that he can cancel?

The ''advanced'' lars can even do an orbital, and for some reason, 21 into orbital crush a lot of mid like df1 .

Lars : 21 block 21 block 21 orbital sen 3 mix sen3 mixup db24 mix f1+2 f1+2 hellsweep. what are you supposed to do against this character, he is very evasive, his tracking is indecent, you can't backdash him and once in the grinder, just guess.

I lab him before the den3 patch and I found him very gimmicky and strong , but at least you could sidestep a big part of his stance and he had to commit to a tracking option. The +5 on a mid homing with infinite range is way too much.

[Omnislash]

Originally posted by CRMNL|GORO:

Originally posted by Omnislash:

I genuinly can't understand why we have t bear with that kind of toxic design.

Jump on you from the other half on the screen, collect an unavoidable +5 frame and mix you up from there.
HOW IS THAT REMOTELY OKAY DESIGN?

Whenever you see a Lars transitioning into SEN or DEN, DO A HOPKICK, DO A FAST MID, DO A DCKJAB, REACT INSTEAD OF BLOCKING. And I know this because I'm a Lars main myself. Unless you eat a DEN 3 on block, then yeah get defensive.

he has a lot of unsafe transition from his string, but I mean, once he start spinning like a beyblade in the neutral, throwing crushing move and powercrush, GL trying to interrupt him.

doesn't help that he can cover them from string extension. Granted its not the worst part of his offense;

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Originally posted by Imperial:

Wasn't Lars neutral skip in T7 already? It's a very annoying matchup.

Absolutely not Lars in T7 was a meme character for 3 seasons, I still remember his combos were broken (read: horrible and in need to fix) with him having to dash in and do three df+1s in a row as filler. Took them 3 seasons and a half to make him decent. Having that useless df+2,1 high and ark blast -14 were a relic from the past, truly. The only thing they did to buff his evasion was giving a few frames of crouch status to f+3, which was ridiculous given how the game worked.

I liked even t7 lars. I felt he was a little underrated especially after the buffs.

And I did skip neutral a lot with him with f3,1 or just ff1+2 but getting in didnt mean so much and knd neither as his lows were unsafe. And it was possible to just chill against him.

That hs has always been underrated though I used that so much. Its tracking was disgusting.

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Absolutely not Lars in T7 was a meme character for 3 seasons, I still remember his combos were broken (read: horrible and in need to fix) with him having to dash in and do three df+1s in a row as filler. Took them 3 seasons and a half to make him decent. Having that useless df+2,1 high and ark blast -14 were a relic from the past, truly. The only thing they did to buff his evasion was giving a few frames of crouch status to f+3, which was ridiculous given how the game worked.

I liked even t7 lars. I felt he was a little underrated especially after the buffs.

And I did skip neutral a lot with him with f3,1 or just ff1+2 but getting in didnt mean so much and knd neither as his lows were unsafe. And it was possible to just chill against him.

That hs has always been underrated though I used that so much. Its tracking was disgusting.

hs tracking? What tracking lmao. It was rather steppable and it didnt have any cheap mixup attached to it. Also Leo has the same move for getting in, that's not a neutral skip, its a CH launcher that ends your turn if blocked, a (then -11, now -9) "ok" range mid that doesnt track and doesnt give anything guaranteed on normal hit. While running 3 is +8 iirc so that would be a much better "neutral skip". f+3,1 is a high tho, any decent player would duck dynamic entry since the only threatening mid was DEN2 that doesnt do anything on hit, and DEN3 back then was slow as hell (25-27 iirc) and also had a convenient grunt right before the move came out so you knew when to stop ducking.

Its not Lars' fault if nobody labs the matchup and then goes in here and complains

[leon]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

I liked even t7 lars. I felt he was a little underrated especially after the buffs.

And I did skip neutral a lot with him with f3,1 or just ff1+2 but getting in didnt mean so much and knd neither as his lows were unsafe. And it was possible to just chill against him.

That hs has always been underrated though I used that so much. Its tracking was disgusting.

hs tracking? What tracking lmao. It was rather steppable and it didnt have any cheap mixup attached to it. Also Leo has the same move for getting in, that's not a neutral skip, its a CH launcher that ends your turn if blocked, a (then -11, now -9) "ok" range mid that doesnt track and doesnt give anything guaranteed on normal hit. While running 3 is +8 iirc so that would be a much better "neutral skip". f+3,1 is a high tho, any decent player would duck dynamic entry since the only threatening mid was DEN2 that doesnt do anything on hit, and DEN3 back then was slow as hell (25-27 iirc) and also had a convenient grunt right before the move came out so you knew when to stop ducking.

Its not Lars' fault if nobody labs the matchup and then goes in here and complains

exactly, lars if you dont know the matchup is a nightmare, people needs to start to lab him and less yapping , and realise that is not the t7 lars

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

I liked even t7 lars. I felt he was a little underrated especially after the buffs.

And I did skip neutral a lot with him with f3,1 or just ff1+2 but getting in didnt mean so much and knd neither as his lows were unsafe. And it was possible to just chill against him.

That hs has always been underrated though I used that so much. Its tracking was disgusting.

hs tracking? What tracking lmao. It was rather steppable and it didnt have any cheap mixup attached to it. Also Leo has the same move for getting in, that's not a neutral skip, its a CH launcher that ends your turn if blocked, a (then -11, now -9) "ok" range mid that doesnt track and doesnt give anything guaranteed on normal hit. While running 3 is +8 iirc so that would be a much better "neutral skip". f+3,1 is a high tho, any decent player would duck dynamic entry since the only threatening mid was DEN2 that doesnt do anything on hit, and DEN3 back then was slow as hell (25-27 iirc) and also had a convenient grunt right before the move came out so you knew when to stop ducking.

Its not Lars' fault if nobody labs the matchup and then goes in here and complains

Yeah it was borderline homing in t7. With ff input not frim stance.

That was due to the ss frames were literally cut off by the ff input. Not only realignment, they were gone. So the timing on that step was unrealistic in the neutral.

But yeah the situation after wasnt too opressive but not bad and the hs hurt a lot. It opened up his mids.

As i said imho underrated move but it was risky so I respect not using it.

Oh how I miss t7 lars. Now we got this abomination...

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Sirlion:

hs tracking? What tracking lmao. It was rather steppable and it didnt have any cheap mixup attached to it. Also Leo has the same move for getting in, that's not a neutral skip, its a CH launcher that ends your turn if blocked, a (then -11, now -9) "ok" range mid that doesnt track and doesnt give anything guaranteed on normal hit. While running 3 is +8 iirc so that would be a much better "neutral skip". f+3,1 is a high tho, any decent player would duck dynamic entry since the only threatening mid was DEN2 that doesnt do anything on hit, and DEN3 back then was slow as hell (25-27 iirc) and also had a convenient grunt right before the move came out so you knew when to stop ducking.

Its not Lars' fault if nobody labs the matchup and then goes in here and complains

Yeah it was borderline homing in t7. With ff input not frim stance.

That was due to the ss frames were literally cut off by the ff input. Not only realignment, they were gone. So the timing on that step was unrealistic in the neutral.

But yeah the situation after wasnt too opressive but not bad and the hs hurt a lot. It opened up his mids.

As i said imho underrated move but it was risky so I respect not using it.

Oh how I miss t7 lars. Now we got this abomination...

Mind you I dont like what they did with the character either. I'd trade a b+1 CH knockdown and a revised db1+2 (which looks dumb af right now by the way) any day to this DEN3 idiocy.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Omnislash:

Lars is retarded

I genuinly can't understand why we have t bear with that kind of toxic design.

Jump on you from the other half on the screen, collect an unavoidable +5 frame and mix you up from there.
HOW IS THAT REMOTELY OKAY DESIGN?

genuinely..

What is t bear?

Unavoidable +5 frame mix?
who has a +5 frame?

You can duck his jumping grab that's why Lars's hands are shoulder grabby height..
Whats a toxic design?

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Its not Lars' fault if nobody labs the matchup and then goes in here and complains

And Lars is not DLC

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by CRMNL|GORO:

Originally posted by Omnislash:

he has a lot of unsafe transition from his string, but I mean, once he start spinning like a beyblade in the neutral, throwing crushing move and powercrush, GL trying to interrupt him.

doesn't help that he can cover them from string extension. Granted its not the worst part of his offense;

If he spins like an epileptic fidget spinner, try to do a long range move. Are you a Jin main? You have f4 - pretty sure that will catch most of mashers. You also have ZEN uf4 that crushes highs and lows instantly and has decent range too. And you also have ff2. You also have some evasive asf stuff like ZEN into DVJ's b3 and ZEN into Kazuya's cd3 which are super safe (don't know the inputs for Jin)

nice, those are good tips!

[FerSantander]

I don't even main Lars, but you definitely have a problem with him.

Don't you think characters like The Chloe Monster® and that Josie Crybaby were in the line one can define as retarded?

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

I don't even main Lars, but you definitely have a problem with him.

Don't you think characters like The Chloe Monster® and that Josie Crybaby were in the line one can define as retarded?

Chloe, yes. Josie, no. She was stupid easy to pilot, sure, but not braindead. Nobody played her after Fujin.