About Clive and his power giant hand/hammer move

[Youtube.com/Therocschannel]

Ok, I've fought clive a bunch of times already, won some, lost some, he is definetly more "sparkly" than strong or broken, imo he is actually pretty balanced overall, and not a stupid *** broken character as I thought he would be.

BUT

THAT POWER MOVE OF HIS??? You know which one I mean, the one you haven't being able to do anything against but block. I haven't found a character neither a move that can break through that, it ALWAYS wins. That's the only thing I think they could nerf - JUST A LITTLE, actually -. But anyways, I haven't found anything that can break it, but it does not mean something that could does not exist.

Have anyone been able to break through it? And with who?

[C1REX]

You break it with a power crush move if your moves comes after his.

Or you can break it with a throw or a low of you do your move first and are close enough.
It can also be side stepped with a good timing.

[Adamantium_90]

I defeated him with Xiauyu many times

[Boss]

Sounds to me you don't know how Power Crush works.

Moves that are Power Crush have an "amror" property during the move's startup animation, which means that even if you are hit during the move, it will not be interrupted like with regular moves, but will still take damage (with recoverable health)

However, this is only true if the move you're getting hit with while using a Power Crush is a high or a mid. If you are hit with a low or a throw during the startup animation, the Power Crush will be interrupted, and you'll take damag as normal.

Exception: Rage Art's armor property will not be interrupted even by lows or throws

[lemstryz]

Ngl, when i pick up clive, i feel like a God. There is no neutral with clive. Clive is dangerous at any range and if I have heat, I heat dash into full combo if u whiff across the map. Not only that but the evasion of F3 is insane just like yoshis hop knee. Clive give me more free wins and bails me out more than my mains (drag, xiaoyu)

[Youtube.com/Therocschannel]

Originally posted by Boss:

Sounds to me you don't know how Power Crush works.

Moves that are Power Crush have an "amror" property during the move's startup animation, which means that even if you are hit during the move, it will not be interrupted like with regular moves, but will still take damage (with recoverable health)

However, this is only true if the move you're getting hit with while using a Power Crush is a high or a mid. If you are hit with a low or a throw during the startup animation, the Power Crush will be interrupted, and you'll take damag as normal.

Exception: Rage Art's armor property will not be interrupted even by lows or throws

I knew the basics of it, but didnt know about the the low/throw part. That's really good to know. Anyways, the main reason I posted this was because all my power crush moves that started at the same time or a frame or two later than his, mine lost completely

[Boss]

Originally posted by Youtube.com/Therocschannel:

all my power crush moves that started at the same time or a frame or two later than his, mine lost completely

Yours lost because they got to their active frames before his, so just starting at the same time or slightly later alone doesn't determine which one should win when going head-to-head.

His power crush is very slow at i24~25 frames (it will hit on the 24th frame of the animatino, but it has 2 active frames, so if you're far enough, it could hit on frame 25 instead). If your power crush is i20, for example, and you start at the same time, you'll hit 5 frames before him, so since his startup animation is still going, he'll absorb the hit. Same thing if you start 1-3 frames later, you'll still hit before him, so he'll absorb the attack. And of course, same is true if you start a bit earlier.

But if you use your power crush for example 10 frames into his animation, you'll hit on frame 30 (relative to the start of his move), which is after the active frames on his power crush have passed. Therefore, you will absorb the attack and your power crush will win.

[Friestine]

Clive is the character they need to take out back and break his knees.

[Prismatic Lollipop]

you think he's balanced, when he clearly isn't.
what's next, Yoshi is balanced and Jin is super difficult to play?
or Alisa is super fair and the chip damage is fine?

love the community.

[MisterEdd]

Originally posted by Youtube.com/Therocschannel:

Ok, I've fought clive a bunch of times already, won some, lost some, he is definetly more "sparkly" than strong or broken, imo he is actually pretty balanced overall, and not a stupid *** broken character as I thought he would be.

BUT

THAT POWER MOVE OF HIS??? You know which one I mean, the one you haven't being able to do anything against but block. I haven't found a character neither a move that can break through that, it ALWAYS wins. That's the only thing I think they could nerf - JUST A LITTLE, actually -. But anyways, I haven't found anything that can break it, but it does not mean something that could does not exist.

Have anyone been able to break through it? And with who?

I would say for most of the roster he is pretty balanced but certain characters the skill gap has to be enormous to win. I was just messing around with Asuka and there is literally no good way to close the gap. Can't do anything but wait for the mixup because as soon as you press forward your getting hit with everything. I would just like to add that even if he is balanced he is still no fun to fight. I have mostly been playing nina which smokes like 90% of clives because of that jab game and I still hate fighting him. It's just so boring its literally just hey he's going to do a forward sword slash oh now its a different forward sword slash oh hey another forward sword slash that's slightly different oh now he doing the slide because I can stand block. Then if you can play neutral well enough to keep interupting his spam he is going to use the fist power crush over and over.

[Youtube.com/Therocschannel]

Originally posted by MisterEdd:

Originally posted by Youtube.com/Therocschannel:

Ok, I've fought clive a bunch of times already, won some, lost some, he is definetly more "sparkly" than strong or broken, imo he is actually pretty balanced overall, and not a stupid *** broken character as I thought he would be.

BUT

THAT POWER MOVE OF HIS??? You know which one I mean, the one you haven't being able to do anything against but block. I haven't found a character neither a move that can break through that, it ALWAYS wins. That's the only thing I think they could nerf - JUST A LITTLE, actually -. But anyways, I haven't found anything that can break it, but it does not mean something that could does not exist.

Have anyone been able to break through it? And with who?

I would say for most of the roster he is pretty balanced but certain characters the skill gap has to be enormous to win. I was just messing around with Asuka and there is literally no good way to close the gap. Can't do anything but wait for the mixup because as soon as you press forward your getting hit with everything. I would just like to add that even if he is balanced he is still no fun to fight. I have mostly been playing nina which smokes like 90% of clives because of that jab game and I still hate fighting him. It's just so boring its literally just hey he's going to do a forward sword slash oh now its a different forward sword slash oh hey another forward sword slash that's slightly different oh now he doing the slide because I can stand block. Then if you can play neutral well enough to keep interupting his spam he is going to use the fist power crush over and over.

I agree with you on the matter that although he is pretty much balanced, he extremely unfun to fight. I've had some intense matches with some pairs of fighters, most of them I lost to tell the truth, but they were really fun and some of them kept me on my toes, others made me clinch my *** with strenght I never knew I had. But NONE of them were against him, they are pretty boring to say the least

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Originally posted by Prismatic Lollipop:

you think he's balanced, when he clearly isn't.
what's next, Yoshi is balanced and Jin is super difficult to play?
or Alisa is super fair and the chip damage is fine?

love the community.

you sir have clearly lost a lot to him, haven't you? lol

ps: yes, wtf is wrong with alisa????? glad I hardly ever play against one, but omg wth is that????

ps2: chip damage exists since early 2000's on fighting games, get over it

[BIG E.]

counter to his power crush is side step.

But the problem is that ♥♥♥♥ has entire screen range and perfectly safe when spammed at range.

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

counter to his power crush is side step.

But the problem is that ♥♥♥♥ has entire screen range and perfectly safe when spammed at range.

clive has godlike tracking, so you have to do a perfect sidestep to the weak side, even then it depends on the character you use, wether the sidestep is succesful or not.

[Zentrick]

A general rule of thumb regarding armor moves is this:

* If it hits "High", it's usually safe but can be ducked and launched on a read.
* If it hits "Mid", it's usually unsafe, most times ranging from -13 to even -15.
* It loses to throws, lows, heat smashes and other armor moves / rage arts (given that you have enough health to survive the damage the armor absorbs).

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Originally posted by Zentrick:

A general rule of thumb regarding armor moves is this:

* If it hits "High", it's usually safe but can be ducked and launched on a read.
* If it hits "Mid", it's usually unsafe, most times ranging from -13 to even -15.
* It loses to throws, lows, heat smashes and other armor moves / rage arts (given that you have enough health to survive the damage the armor absorbs).

Clive's does not adhere to these rules.
it's a safe armored move that cannot be low crushed because of the distance, and it's also safe because of the distance.