Where Clive will end up on tier lists?

[C1REX]

Just for fun.
Where do you think tournament players and streamers will place Clive?

I personally guess that he will be close to Heihachi so close to the middle. Maybe high mid at first but lower mid later on.

Good range and damage but bad frames and some of the worst lows in the game.

A- and out of top 10 in my opinion.

[Doge]

He is clearly S tier

Armoured attack with huge damage
Full screen range attacks
Best hell sweep
Best power crush
Best area damage even better than kazuya (i do not remember the name of this attack)
And easy to play like Dragunov

[JudgeJuriMys]

Originally posted by Doge:

He is clearly S tier

Armoured attack with huge damage
Full screen range attacks
Best hell sweep
Best power crush
Best area damage even better than kazuya (i do not remember the name of this attack)
And easy to play like Dragunov

Gonna add to this, he is extremely hard to side step and next to impossible to parry.

[C1REX]

Main Man SWE is one of the first who is placing Clive on a tier list.

A-tier. Top10

https://youtu.be/RrlKCQmWWgU?si=3CbvCv3QT89xj89J

[Bon❄超変態駄目青年学生退屈日常自己嫌悪克服]

A+

[Kat The Wolfheart]

Originally posted by JudgeJuriMys:

Originally posted by Doge:

He is clearly S tier

Armoured attack with huge damage
Full screen range attacks
Best hell sweep
Best power crush
Best area damage even better than kazuya (i do not remember the name of this attack)
And easy to play like Dragunov

Gonna add to this, he is extremely hard to side step and next to impossible to parry.

Not to mention he can spam parries that are punishable by lows, also his fly stance auto parries all lows.

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Overtuned. Too good. Needs nerfs. He's way too good. His mix-up game is way too strong. Most of his attacks that lead into Phoenix Shift are literally either -1 or +6. And even if you guess right, you still might eat his mids which mitigate ducking his mix-ups. So it's in his favor. Then, his range is ridiculous with a lot of moves and very game-breaking. It is playing 2D with him like Bryan's qcb+1 but a lot worse. His damage and wall carry are among the best. He has incredible heat engagers. All of his moves that end up in high have a safe/decent mix-up high-duck scenario that favors Clive more. His whiff punishment is amazing. His mids are damn near spammable with f1+2 and 1+2, and extremely damaging. There is no reason to duck him unless it's a hard read, but if you guess wrong, he's already in heat that buffs his attacks. He has armor crush that gets extremely difficult to punish from certain range...this includes that the weird gimmicks with his jumping attacks and loads of gimmicks with a lot of cheese for a character who is supposedly easy to play, Previously noted, he's very easy to play. His lows compliment his powerful mids. It's like if they gave T7 Heihachi better lows. He's just too overtuned right now. He has a parry that builds meter...playing against Clive is not easy even if you've labbed his moves and punishments because he plays the character plays the game for him most of the time. The only issue is most of his moves may put him in -9 scenarios, but that doesn't really matter since he has a parry and 1+2 i13 safe heat engager, best power-crush, and orbital-like hop-kick, and a ch ss launch, and a ss launch +2. It's very hard to downplay this character as mid-tier.

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Some nerfs I'd like to see are...make his f1+2 linear. F1+2 should be like d/f+2, and if it whiffs, the second hit does not come out. Power-crush a lot less damage. All phoenix shift that is blocked should be -6. Make his d+1 -2. FC+2 should not be homing. D/b+4 should be stagger blocked. Make his jumping attack -35 or walkable punishable not -15. Increased whiff parry by 15-20 frames if missed. Make 1+2 -10. This would balance out a lot of his oppressive stuff. Let him keep his +14 on fff+2 and +6 on 4,4F and b+2F. For his Phoenix mix-up, make the powercrush variation -15 and launch punishable because the mind-game is too good with PS+2 as safe and hit confirmable. Aside from that...it would make him more manageable to play against.

[Hex: Dry eyes]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Just for fun.
Where do you think tournament players and streamers will place Clive?

I personally guess that he will be close to Heihachi so close to the middle. Maybe high mid at first but lower mid later on.

Good range and damage but bad frames and some of the worst lows in the game.

A- and out of top 10 in my opinion.

He's very strong and easy to use so I'd put him in top 5 or even top 1 if we're doing an online ranked tier list. For tournament players he may not be ranked so highly because they have the execution to play trickier characters consistently but for me he's by far my strongest character.

For comparison, I've been playing Paul since tekken 7 and have hundreds of hours of Paul gameplay and my highest rank in t8 with him is only Kishin but within maybe 25 hours of play time on Clive I was already Bushin and I think I could reach Tekken King with him. Now that could be because Paul got nerfed in 8 by making b1,2 not track and ub 2 not track or crumple on CH but still. I think part of what makes him so strong is that all of his moves are SO easy to input even his parry is just b3 rather than b1+3.

Comparing Paul and Clive further, Paul's strongest and safest low is either ss 3 or qcf 3 both of which require precise fast inputs and Clive's are just d1 and db 4 (much easier inputs). For range control with Paul he doesn't really have great range control but his best move for that would be qcb 4 or ff 2,1 again both require precise fast inputs to use in a real match and ofc Clive can just press f1+2 (10 times easier) plus it's a heat engager and neither of Paul's are. Even Clive's punishment is easier to use because if you're not sure you can just press 1,2 after blocking anything because standing 1,2 is 10f punish with decent damage and his ws 1,2 is 13f with decent damage and frames and both of them build his zentetsukin bar which will basically win the last round for him if he gets a launch. So in summary I don't think many of Clive's moves actually need nerfing but what makes him so strong is that he's just so easy. Even f 1+2 is fine at -9f imo, making it -10f would just make it too weak.

I've heard a strong GoD streamer say he's top 15 and maybe at that level he is but currently at the level of most tekken players i'd put him in top 5.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Hex: Dry eyes:

. For tournament players he may not be ranked so highly because they have the execution to play trickier characters consistently but for me he's by far my strongest character.

Tournament players definitely prefer easy to use characters as it makes them more consistent. Dropping a single combo may easily cost a set and dropping out of a tournament.

[C1REX]

Ulsan made a tier list with Clive included.
Strong A-tier but not S-tier.

https://youtu.be/5T5WY-dIhWI?si=l7WlPk1pJdzxmErV

I personally still think Clive will drop lower after some time. I don’t think safe mids are enough to keep him so high. Alisa feels stronger than Clive for me personally. Lack of a safe launcher feels bad.

[3.14DRILLA_NAKINGE]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Ulsan made a tier list with Clive included.
Strong A-tier but not S-tier.

https://youtu.be/5T5WY-dIhWI?si=l7WlPk1pJdzxmErV

I personally still think Clive will drop lower after some time. I don’t think safe mids are enough to keep him so high. Alisa feels stronger than Clive for me personally. Lack of a safe launcher feels so bad for me.

Tier lists dont matter, what matters is he isnt fun to play against at all. Moves that should be punishable are somehow safe, 5.0 range attacks, attacks that pushback you for 3.0 units. And im a guy who can tolerate alisa, xiaomi, yoshimitsu and other gimmicky characters

[Friestine]

Don't care about how strong overall he is as a character. He's not fun to play against.

[Calm Hostage]

Characters like this typically get placed at S tier to start, and then dip to A or B tier as people start to figure them out (and depending on tournament results ofc). He's probably got enough BS that he'll never dip to B tier, Somewhere in the A range I think is a fair assumption.

Opinions are going to be very divided cause no one who doesn't own the character will understand the matchup, but EVERYONE who does will, it's like fighting Kazuyer.

[Cam]

I don't know how much his tier list placement matters for those of us who're playing online. My impression is that a giant magic sword guy with big damage and range is absolutely riding on his guest character privilege. Frustrating to play against tools like Prominence and Titan when my character is working with 'palm thrust' and 'leg sweep.' I can't even lab the moves if I don't buy him, and I really have no interest in FF16 so I don't want to spend any money on the DLC. If I really had to guess at his placement though, it's 50/50 on making it into top 10. I don't really see the abusability of a top 5 character in him, but he could be up there. If he's not top 10, he's just outside it.

I'd much rather fight most of the cast than him at this point either way though, it's annoying to play against him so frequently even if it's not so bad it ruins my play session.

[Wazler's neighbor]

Playing as Clive isn't as fun either because I have to rely on his midrange stuff not to get blasted. His close range moves feel terrible outside of maybe his Demon Paw, so there's no flexibility in his gameplan