Jin Kazama fighting style from Tekken 3

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Can the devs make a DLC for the original Jin Kazama from Tekken 3 & Tekken Tag. I know Devil Jin is similar to that style but I much prefer the option to buy the Jin character from Tekken 3. Just a request!

[Zagryzaec]

Isn't kazuya a Jin kazama from Tekken 3?

[Pasta]

İlk olarak Zagryzaec tarafından gönderildi:

Isn't kazuya a Jin kazama from Tekken 3?

Jin Kazama from Tekken 3 is a mixup of Jun Kazama and Kazuya Mishima of Tekken 2.

As far i know Kazuya doesn't have Jun's moves.
So no, Kazuya is not Jin Kazama from Tekken 3.

[FerSantander]

İlk olarak Zagryzaec tarafından gönderildi:

Isn't kazuya a Jin kazama from Tekken 3?

No. Jin was a mix of Kazuya and Jun. He was changed in T4 to shotokan style, not kyokushin as some insist.

This was due to Heihachi's betrayal. Jin decided to abandon Mishima style, until we got this soup opera circus in T8 "final showdown" where Jin again uses Mishima style, and even Jun's lol

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I played Tekken 3 religiously with my friends, along with GoldenEye and MarioKart. Tekken 3 was the game i had mastered with Jin Kazama and then Tekken Tag with the release of Playstation 2. After that they switched Jin's style and erased his mother Jun's style from his arsenal. FerSantander is absolutely right about the story line with the style change.

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İlk olarak FerSantander tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Zagryzaec tarafından gönderildi:

Isn't kazuya a Jin kazama from Tekken 3?

No. Jin was a mix of Kazuya and Jun. He was changed in T4 to shotokan style, not kyokushin as some insist.

That's because a bunch of official stuff from the time of T4's release named it 'traditional karate'*. It might also be an issue of trademark, or out of recognition for the motion capture for Jin in Tekken 4, which was done by Matsui Shokei, current director of Kyokushin-kaikan.

*'traditional karate' is almost always used to mean 'kyokushin' in Japanese works, and if it's not referring to kyokushin it's typically referring to goujuu-ryu, one of kyokushin's particularly-influential ancestors. This is because of political tensions with how mainlanders and okinawans interact (remember that Ryukyu was only formally annexed by Japan to found the Okinawan Prefecture in 1879); until 1998, it wasn't really allowed to refer to non-mainland martial arts by name (or as martial arts, for that matter) and if you did so it was generally going to be taken as a political statement. While you probably could have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ away with 'kyokushin' by the time of Tekken 4, the choice to use 'traditional karate' likely stems from the application of actual self-defense techniques, which kyokushin does not traditionally teach or grade as it is focused on various kinds of competition fighting, into Jin's movelist.

[Zabelfrie]

I honestly hope that Jin's next iteration should look something like we saw at the end of Tekken 8 albeit not quite as blatantly broken with the auto parries like that. I feel like it kept a lot of Jin's newly gained traditional Karate while re-implementing both his mother's and his grandfather's teachings nicely. It'd be a shame if he went back to only using traditional karate after becoming so well rounded.

[MoonharePandaStyle]

It'll never happen since Jin is staying with his usual Kyokushin Karate but infused with his devil powers which he finally gave in thanks to his many friends and adoptive family's help. Also, Jin has been striving to end the Mishima Bloodline ever since he was betrayed by Heihachi back at the end of T3. What do you expect? 🤨

[Zabelfrie]

İlk olarak LaTaleFanatic4Life tarafından gönderildi:

It'll never happen since Jin is staying with his usual Kyokushin Karate but infused with his devil powers which he finally gave in thanks to his many friends and adoptive family's help. Also, Jin has been striving to end the Mishima Bloodline ever since he was betrayed by Heihachi back at the end of T3. What do you expect? 🤨

Wait, have you played story mode yet? If not, I shan't spoil

[FerSantander]

İlk olarak Zabelfrie tarafından gönderildi:

I honestly hope that Jin's next iteration should look something like we saw at the end of Tekken 8 albeit not quite as blatantly broken with the auto parries like that. I feel like it kept a lot of Jin's newly gained traditional Karate while re-implementing both his mother's and his grandfather's teachings nicely. It'd be a shame if he went back to only using traditional karate after becoming so well rounded.

Jin might not be in next tekken. Some might find this funny, but we still don't know for real who won this final T8 cheesedown.

I mean, before declaring Jin the winner, we should remember a couple of things:

a) Harada said before tekken8 release that Jin needed to be thrown off a cliff
b) In forgotten echoes, trololol-resurrected Heihachi says, twice, that he will put Kazuya in his place.

If those two not enough to make Kazuya's ending more believable, as goofy as it was with the sneakers thingy, then remember that roflcopter-Devil Reina has awakened, and wants to avenge Heihachi, who still don't know he's alive.

God forbid us if this ends like MK1, where both Liu Kang and Shang Tsung won lol, opening the multi-cheese scenario to tekken, and finally planting the last nail in the franchise coffin.

[Zabelfrie]

İlk olarak FerSantander tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Zabelfrie tarafından gönderildi:

I honestly hope that Jin's next iteration should look something like we saw at the end of Tekken 8 albeit not quite as blatantly broken with the auto parries like that. I feel like it kept a lot of Jin's newly gained traditional Karate while re-implementing both his mother's and his grandfather's teachings nicely. It'd be a shame if he went back to only using traditional karate after becoming so well rounded.

Jin might not be in next tekken. Some might find this funny, but we still don't know for real who won this final T8 cheesedown.

I mean, before declaring Jin the winner, we should remember a couple of things:

a) Harada said before tekken8 release that Jin needed to be thrown off a cliff
b) In forgotten echoes, trololol-resurrected Heihachi says, twice, that he will put Kazuya in his place.

God forbid us if this ends like MK1, where both Liu Kang and Shang Tsung won lol, opening the multi-cheese scenario to tekken, and finally planting the last nail in the franchise coffin.

I mean I personally think that if Harada won't discard Heihachi even despite his story being complete and there being no story reason to keep him around, there's no way he's gonna get rid of Jin after actually making him an interesting character all of a sudden.

Even if we assume Kaz won, there's no reason to assume that Jin dies here if Heihachi, Kazuya and Jun are any standard. Honestly it'd lend more credence to Jin's character episode ending if anything.

[FerSantander]

Well not saying that Jin dies because of the fall, of course he wouldn't. I'm just saying that perhaps devs give him a damn rest after all these decades, to appear in another iterationand for that then we need Kazuya's ending as canonical.

And I never found Jin interesting tbh. That child of destiony attitude until this very last instalment really bores me about him, if he didn't bore me for good before, even in t3.

Interesting was Kazuya until T2, and in that game in particular. Funny thing It wasn't even him to begin with in T2 hehh (he existed no more in T2. Was just Devil inside that badass looking shell in purple suit),this all adding even more tragic background to his character, regardless he was there no more. He looked cool in that purple suit!!

In T4 he was turned into generic ganster Nº0347239849 and got body wise disproportioned, and ugly. I don't like Kazuya anymore since that, let alone find that any interesting, regardless we saw ACTUAL old good canon Devil character for the last time in his ending, something I still can remember causing me huge erection, after the years after tekken2 gloriousness as t3 for me, story wise, was a huge meh!

[Zabelfrie]

İlk olarak FerSantander tarafından gönderildi:

Well not saying that Jin dies because of the fall, of course he wouldn't. I'm just saying that perhaps devs give him a damn rest after all these decades, to appear in another iterationand for that then we need Kazuya's ending as canonical.

And I never found Jin interesting tbh. That child of destiony attitude until this very last instalment really bores me about him, if he didn't bore me for good before, even in t3.

Interesting was Kazuya until T2, and in that game in particular. Funny thing It wasn't even him to begin with in T2 hehh (he existed no more in T2. Was just Devil inside that badass looking shell in purple suit),this all adding even more tragic background to his character, regardless he was there no more. He looked cool in that purple suit!!

In T4 he was turned into generic ganster Nº0347239849 and got body wise disproportioned, and ugly. I don't like Kazuya anymore since that, let alone find that any interesting, regardless we saw ACTUAL old good canon Devil character for the last time in his ending, something I still can remember causing me huge erection, after the years after tekken2 gloriousness as t3 for me, story wise, was a huge meh!

Well that's what I meant by making Jin interesting for a change, he's not just a 1 mission, 1 motivation guy. I mean giving Jin a break would be cool but that would kind of leave Tekken without a realistic advocate for good in any sense. You'd have Heihachi who is evil, Kaz who is currently as far as we know still evil and Reina, who is most likely going to be a force for evil. I know they wanted to set up Lidia as the current "good guy" but Lidia and her crew got molly-whopped by Heihachi.

t3 I think only loosely had a story, I think it was more to just get people introduced to the new Mishima and really push the PS1's hardware to make the gameplay feel better. T4 IMO had better stories for everyone than T3 since it was less about their motivations and more about little journeys they took that gave us deeper insight into them, like Paul's rise to fame and how he actually prefers being firmly connected to his roots instead.

[FerSantander]

Heihachi being evil became a debate after T7 story reveals, as that became questionable since as we discovered that he becomes evil because of what happened with his wife. Before that, he looked like a normal guy and loving husband to me.

After that, yeah he does terible things..., no more terrible anyway than what Devil does in T2 while inhabiting Kazuya's body, such as global assasination and kidnapping; bioweapons roger and alex LOL; and trying to accomplish Its old goal of world domination we read about in T1 manual when he still was but an influence on Kazuya's soul, something that ends when Kazuya wins T1 and Devil devours his soul.

Also, his final battle against Kazuya and that Devil thingy triggered by that also devil gene thingy, made many change his point of view on Heihachi, trying at least in part to redeem himself after what he had done, accessing to his inner strength/Ki in order to wipe out that Devil thing off Kazuya, and going down like a man, as the most important character in tekken from the beginning.

The ironic funny thing is that Jin, the one who was always good and that, child of destiny blahblah, ended up causing more harm to humanity than both old canonical Devil and Heihachi combined.

What is clear about Jin if we end up seeing next, is that he will be using Mishima style again most likely.

[Zabelfrie]

İlk olarak FerSantander tarafından gönderildi:

Heihachi being evil became a debate after T7 story reveals, as that became questionable since as we discovered that he becomes evil because of what happened with his wife. Before that, he looked like a normal guy and loving husband to me.

After that, yeah he does terible things..., no more terrible anyway than what Devil does in T2 while inhabiting Kazuya's body, such as global assasination and kidnapping; bioweapons roger and alex LOL; and trying to accomplish Its old goal of world domination we read about in T1 manual when he still was but an influence on Kazuya's soul, something that ends when Kazuya wins T1 and Devil devours his soul.

Also, his final battle against Kazuya and that Devil thingy triggered by that also devil gene thingy, made many change his point of view on Heihachi, trying at least in part to redeem himself after what he had done, accessing to his inner strength/Ki in order to wipe out that Devil thing off Kazuya, and going down like a man, as the most important character in tekken from the beginning.

The ironic funny thing is that Jin, the one who was always good and that, child of destiny blahblah, ended up causing more harm to humanity than both old canonical Devil and Heihachi combined.

What is clear about Jin if we end up seeing next, is that he will be using Mishima style again most likely.

Nah, dude. Kazumi is understandable but Kaz was just a kid, dude. He also went over and murdered the rest of Kazumi's family and stole Reina as a child. Even pushing aside all that, he used the Tekken Monks to learn a new move and then slaughtered every single one of them. That dude is evil and callous, man. Even he wanted him dead until he got his memories back because he recognised that he was a rotten dude.

Tekken 3 has him shooting Jin dead on the suspicion that he carried the devil gene. He killed Michelle Chang's dad just for challenging him. He destroyed a skyscraper full of employees just in the hopes of killing Kazuya. At every turn he is ruthless at best and sadistic at worst. Heihachi may be the lesser threat right now but you'd better believe that once Kaz, Jin, Azazel, Ogre and Reina are out of the picture, he's gonna be the next worst thing.

I hope that Jin does return with some Mishima stuff re-implemented. If we don't get Devil Jin in the next game given this game's events, someone is going to have to represent Tekken 3 Jin and if that's not DVJ then it's gotta be the man himself.

[FerSantander]

yeah but I mean.., all of that was after Kazumi's attack