Devil Jin Sucks

[nicey915]

Simply he straight up sucks, and quite frankly it's now impossible to not complain, I'm tired of people saying he is fine when he is not.

He is the second hardest in the game if not the hardest, and also one of the worst in the game to the point he is now Kazuya's panda, like how did we get to this point he wasn't that good to begin with he only had the heat smash, who also got overly nerfed to the point it's not even decent.

He can't be aggressive cause all of his moves end his turn at best, or get punished, like I have to be almost always at the defensive, and he is not a defensive character to begin with, he only has 1 bad power crush, and a reversal, and even the things he still have that are decent, kaz does better, hellsweep, his hellsweep is barely decent while kazuya has crazy oki, ewgf, kaz and even reina have PEWGF, and I hear peoplòe saying that he doesn't need buffs or he needs even more nerfs on stuff that is already bad, or ok at most, by people who play the easiest most braindead characters like jin, dragunov or alisa.

The ranking system already sucks as it is, but even when I win with Devil Jin it always feels close even against people 2 ranks lower than me, despite basically low parrying or punishing most stuff, even one error makes me lose to someone who uses the same 4 moves, I don't feel like I'm even playing devil jin or even tekken at this point all I do is basically wait for the other to mess up while I lose half my life do to chip damage, plus after every single nerf not only did I have to learn how to play him again, but he also lost lots of combos and techs, he is underwhelming as hell, and I have to keep him like this till next year? and people still say this game is balanced while even feng, a top 5 character is being dropped, cause despite being easy, he is not as braindead as dragunov, you can even tell when someone isn't using his main, like what is this?

We need a new patch asap, not just for Devil Jin but also for Dragunov, and before any tier w***e tells me to get good, I almost always win to Dragunov, Jin and all the other braindead characters, and my defense and low parry gave the Highest precision and defensive stats from before the defense patch, hell from even before the second or first patch, while everyone was complaining about the aggressiveness and speed of the game, I was slowing it down easily just with the low parry, so even when you know the matchup or win at the game, it doesn't mean it's in a good place, or that those characters don't need buffs or nerfs.

[Hidebehind]

No, you're the problem. He has all the characteristics of the Mishima family, which already makes him a stable character by default. He's the weakest in the family, but can still win many rounds just because he's Mishima.

[Arbor]

He’s like this because the developers are clearly incompetent and don’t know what they’re doing.

Anyone that says the game is fine is clearly a shill at this point.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

No, you're the problem. He has all the characteristics of the Mishima family, which already makes him a stable character by default. He's the weakest in the family, but can still win many rounds just because he's Mishima.

Ye your exactly the type of person I was referring to, first of all that doesn't make him good at all, ewgf is good, but he has the worst one cause he doesn't have pewgf, second hellsweep got overnerfed, now even king has wavedash and his 11 in this game sucks cause the animation doesn' make him move forward so he lost range, his ff2 sucks, it sucked before nerf and now it sucks even more so quite frankly that staple argument counts as much as saying jack has good movement cause he can sidestep, like everyone else, also now they broke what he was supposed to be in favor of gimmicks so he can barely even be considered a mishima, but I'll give you a chance, tell me what does he have that is actually good, and that kaz doesn't do better.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by nicey915:

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

No, you're the problem. He has all the characteristics of the Mishima family, which already makes him a stable character by default. He's the weakest in the family, but can still win many rounds just because he's Mishima.

ye youyr exactly the type of person I was referring to, first of all that doesn' make him good at all, ewgf is good, but he has the worst one cause he doesn't have pewgf, second hellsweep gotr overnerfed, now even king has wavedash and his 11 in this game sucks cause the animation doesn' make him move forward so he lost range, his ff2 sucks, it sucked before nerf and now it sucks even more so quite frankly that staple argument counts as much as saying jack has good movement cause he can sidestep, like everyone else, but give you a chance, tell me what does he have that is actually good, and that kaz doesn't do better.

People who criticize your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?
So because Devil is the worst of Mishima, he's suddenly a terrible fighter while most fighters can't do any of the things he can? The Mishima family plays a little differently than everyone else because of their individual absolutely insane moves, but that's not enough for you? Devil isn't weak, he's just the only balanced character from this family and unlike Kazuya, Reina and Jin he actually sacrifices something for the best moves in the entire series of games.
Someone who cries on the forum is a really terrible player, as such people would rather waste time on useless posts than improve their skills.
Devil is fine, Mishima's other fighters are not.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Originally posted by nicey915:

ye youyr exactly the type of person I was referring to, first of all that doesn' make him good at all, ewgf is good, but he has the worst one cause he doesn't have pewgf, second hellsweep gotr overnerfed, now even king has wavedash and his 11 in this game sucks cause the animation doesn' make him move forward so he lost range, his ff2 sucks, it sucked before nerf and now it sucks even more so quite frankly that staple argument counts as much as saying jack has good movement cause he can sidestep, like everyone else, but give you a chance, tell me what does he have that is actually good, and that kaz doesn't do better.

People who criticize your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?
So because Devil is the worst of Mishima, he's suddenly a terrible fighter while most fighters can't do any of the things he can? The Mishima family plays a little differently than everyone else because of their individual absolutely insane moves, but that's not enough for you? Devil isn't weak, he's just the only balanced character from this family and unlike Kazuya, Reina and Jin he actually sacrifices something for the best moves in the entire series of games.

You call not being able to be aggressive in a game made to be aggressive balanced? he literally is minus or punishable on almost everything he does, and not only is he the worst mishima but he is the worst character, bottom 5m and bottom 1 if we consider also the fact of how hard he is, the one who is bad here is you, also what best moves? he is even -43 on hit on some moves, also you didn't even answer me, I gave you a chance to name me one good thing he has, you didn't name it, instead you just say that he is good cause he is a mishima, dude panda is not bottom 3 cause she's a bear, and dragunov is not broken cause he can't wavedash, that's basically what your telling me.

also about criticism, you didn't criticize anything, you didn't even say a thing that was good about him, and I even gave you a chance, you just said mishima good, like yeah Kuma is top 1 cause he has a mid ewgf, like I said about people like you, you are just either a tier ♥♥♥♥♥, or don't know matchup even one as easy as his, and probably only knows how to spam, and gets surprised when someone punishes him and still thinks he knows better about the game, or about a character he wouldn't even dare to try out for how hard he is.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

He’s like this because the developers are clearly incompetent and don’t know what they’re doing.

Anyone that says the game is fine is clearly a shill at this point.

It's not really about competence, but honestly it does feel like they hate some characters more than others and vice versa, also they really should stop reading twitter for balancing.

[Arbor]

Originally posted by nicey915:

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

He’s like this because the developers are clearly incompetent and don’t know what they’re doing.

Anyone that says the game is fine is clearly a shill at this point.

It's not really about competence, but honestly it does feel like they hate some characters more than others and vice versa, also they really should stop reading twitter for balancing.

They purposely put visual jank in the game to make it ‘balanced’

I have no faith in the people that made this game.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

Originally posted by nicey915:

It's not really about competence, but honestly it does feel like they hate some characters more than others and vice versa, also they really should stop reading twitter for balancing.

They purposely put visual jank in the game to make it ‘balanced’

I have no faith in the people that made this game.

you mean the bd 1+2?
I wouldn't mind it if it was better, like the move is good, but easily sidesteppable, and honestly if he was stronger overall I'd be ok with it too.

[Hidebehind]

Dude, all you do is cry, cry and cry. Dragunov is strong, Kazuya is strong, and Devil is the weakest xD. Complain about it to Leroy, Panda, Zafina, Leo and other really weak fighters. If you can't play aggressively Devil, then you can't play aggressively for any Mishima fighter, and you basically don't understand what aggression is in this game. You have to make your opponent afraid to push buttons.
You forgot to mention that Lidia is also one of the strongest fighters in the game xD

P.S. it's funny that you think I'm spamming and losing, but you're the one creating walls of text to complain and justify your own helplessness and complete lack of understanding of the game.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Devil Jin is a character that still has an overall winrate of above 50% at almost every rank, with the only ranks where he's not at above 50% winrate are the very highest ranks, and even that's not 100% sure, because of how the data was gathered, there's some wiggle room, which means that if his real winrate is on the higher end, he's above 50% at all ranks.

The main thing on why people claim that Devil Jin is "weak" is because they don't look at his strength alone.

To explain it easier, I've heard that koreans see Bryan as a top 5 character, but not many put him there because "he's hard to play" (nice joke), and some people I've seen who make tier lists stated that Kazuya is the strongest character in the game IF you could nail his execution down to a T, but that's not easy, so just like with Bryan, they put him in a "realistic" tier, aka, a tier that shows how strong your average Kazuya player makes the character be.

So they put Devil Jin as "weak" or "low tier" because they don't think that the amount of power he offers for his execution is enough, and sure, that may be true, but then you look at the other Mishimas, and you got what? Jin, one of the best characters in the game, Reina, a monster of a character once people understand how good ff2 is, Kazuya, who's even seeing tournament success because he's actually good, and some people consider him the strongest character in the game if anyone could nail down his execution (that's also the biggest reason why most cheaters are on Kazuya).

Yea, compared to them, Devil Jin is "weak", but then again, compared to them, most of the cast is weak. Devil Jin as a character is a mid character, and to some that means he's bottom tier because he's too hard, but then again, we don't need Yoshimitsu Mishima, so with how good his panic tools are in this game, he shouldn't really need more power when he already can dictate the pace of the game in the same way as Yoshi does with Flash, and yes, if Devil Jin would have better tools, which is what DJ players want, he'd be as strong, if not stronger, than Yoshimitsu, who's already a top 2-3 character, depending on who you ask.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by C.C. スパークル:

Yea, compared to them, Devil Jin is "weak", but then again, compared to them, most of the cast is weak. Devil Jin as a character is a mid character, and to some that means he's bottom tier because he's too hard, but then again, we don't need Yoshimitsu Mishima, so with how good his panic tools are in this game, he shouldn't really need more power when he already can dictate the pace of the game in the same way as Yoshi does with Flash, and yes, if Devil Jin would have better tools, which is what DJ players want, he'd be as strong, if not stronger, than Yoshimitsu, who's already a top 2-3 character, depending on who you ask.

Exactly!
Devil is a really good example of a balanced fighter who has his advantages and obvious weaknesses, but why play him when there are other Mishima fighters? Therein lies his main problem.

[Sejbr]

He's fine.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

lol Devil Jin hasn't been a problem in ages..
Jin is even being more and more baited as time goes on.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Dude, all you do is cry, cry and cry. Dragunov is strong, Kazuya is strong, and Devil is the weakest xD. Complain about it to Leroy, Panda, Zafina, Leo and other really weak fighters. If you can't play aggressively Devil, then you can't play aggressively for any Mishima fighter, and you basically don't understand what aggression is in this game. You have to make your opponent afraid to push buttons.
You forgot to mention that Lidia is also one of the strongest fighters in the game xD

P.S. it's funny that you think I'm spamming and losing, but you're the one creating walls of text to complain and justify your own helplessness and complete lack of understanding of the game.

You the difference between Leo, Leroy, Panda and the others with Devil Jin? is that ye they are weak, but at least they're easy, so you always get a reasonable reward with them, I played weak characters in other games, but at least they're easy to play, Devil Jin is the second if not the hardest character in game.

[nicey915]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Originally posted by C.C. スパークル:

Yea, compared to them, Devil Jin is "weak", but then again, compared to them, most of the cast is weak. Devil Jin as a character is a mid character, and to some that means he's bottom tier because he's too hard, but then again, we don't need Yoshimitsu Mishima, so with how good his panic tools are in this game, he shouldn't really need more power when he already can dictate the pace of the game in the same way as Yoshi does with Flash, and yes, if Devil Jin would have better tools, which is what DJ players want, he'd be as strong, if not stronger, than Yoshimitsu, who's already a top 2-3 character, depending on who you ask.

Exactly!
Devil is a really good example of a balanced fighter who has his advantages and obvious weaknesses, but why play him when there are other Mishima fighters? Therein lies his main problem.

what advantages, see, everyone always says he has an advantage but no one says a single move, I know a move that's still good about him, but no one even mentions it.