Hi I main Lars and I hate him more than you do.

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

this is a copy for those who didnt read about my unfilted unhinged attitude problem.

im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and harada buried me in a iron sand beach and expect me to move and get out of the situation of Oki and actually win a trade or be able to punish people actually besides a terrible shoulder or slow ass f2, 4.

thats the entire joke of me making this post. im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and im ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ done with this game.

the oki is busted, ukemi is trash, heat is busted depending on hitboxes, everything is safe now and hardly anything is punishable naturally.

Lars can't do anything useful, he has 120 iq SITUATIONAL combos for damage that a Bryan can do by playing double dragon on the SNES.

im losing it man, im losing it, im going crazy, at least in T7 I know it was my fault 100% every single time.

You cant stand up into orbital or uf3, you cant roll into sidestep or roll into low parry, you cant roll to do anything other than block.

rising 3 does nothing and rising 4 does nothing, they have no reason to exist literally, theyre place holder actions because they lack any idea on what to do with them. but if you dont do them, sometimes you're screw because you can't block in time on attacks that look like they should scoop you up, but they definitely do.

you dont roll back anymore on get up, which would be nice if it means crunching your hurtbox and making you move faster.

3+4 is hot dog and useless. its there I guess to land the final blow on an impatient

meanwhile Oki is so busted, people just flow chart safe pokes that are also launchers into combos with Law, Lee, Lili, King, Lidia, Heihachi, Eddy, Kazuya, Yoshi, Reina, Nina poking(oh you wanna complain about how these guys are treated unfair? lab Lars for a day and bring him through the ringer for 6 months, lemme know how you feel then fighting these folks again, Nina slapping my belly like a tickler or something should not take half of my health bar and so much chip damage), and all of this other trash and then the moment ur on the ground, the 50/50s gimmicks are so poorly put together Oki and tracking is so strong, theres no reason to sidestep anymore on opponent rolling, because Oki catches it half the time.

Harada, if ur not gonna buff Lars and give him an actually super super fun moveset, just dont even bother, delete him, stop giving me a character I like, and then make him so god awful, that im eating iron sand for breakfast just to grind away through Bushin to King, and keep falling to Kishin. This is ridiculous.

Let me rant, i need to effing rant. I hear all this crap about people whining about him being gimmicky and his "unfair" and "dishonest" moveset with the "50/50 mixups" from stance. Hes literally just a smash brothers sandbag in Tekken.

you just high or mid jab literally all of his stances, you can orbital/hopkick on read on any of his lows, his f1+2 is easily punishable, not a single low of his is safe, and the only one hard to read is his df1, 3 which isnt even safe either, none of his stances are safe, just mash, and the game already is a mashing game, so that just, fits along with the status quo of the game, and decimating Lars.

what is the point of having a stance, when they are always unsafe, and in order to punish the opponent, i have to feint the stance, block and then wait until he feels like the one time of not punishing the stance which is almost never, and their punish to the stance isnt even unsafe itself when i block it, and his sidestep is garbage because of tracking despite the speed and distance of the ss, and then the backdash is terrible in this game because Harada had to be all like "But muh aggression." so because of that, whiff punish barely exists for Lars.

f, b, 2, 1 is trash, its completely unsafe on block and hardly anything tracks with lars unlike everybody else literally, despite being his hardest input. we need old df2, 1 back and buffed, get rid of this stupid lightning axle kick(the SEN 3+4) and give us back hurricane axle so we can actually wall carry again like we used to, itd be perfect with heat engager/starter or whatever the hell its called for the generic heat button input.

I understand the point of Lars is that his entire moveset is entirely micro focused instead of macro. its very easy to pull off the inputs, and using them correctly and effectively is the hard part, but in Tekken 8, this is exacerbated hard due to the new nuanced rules all of the old and new mechanics play together and how the old rules are changed and affected by the new rules.

Lars' hits still are like wet noodles against rage arts unlike other characters, his damage output is trash not even post launch but just every hit is. it feels the exact same way as Tekken 7's weak damage output on the superarmor of Rage Arts, which is understandable, but still. be consistent at least with everybody.

Lars with an unblockable launcher which is unrealistic and is the classic 100$ joke that AvoidingThePuddle made back in 7. You can get like, 100 damage if youre lucky with full use of heat and rage and counterhit, and you cant use the rage art either because in that scenario, Lars pushes targets so far away, and they fall before Lars can catch them on the ground, meanwhile Bryan has like, a toolkit that scoops you off the ground like cow manure glued to cement using a tiny beach shovel and it somehow works mid combo.

I come across all of these hipsters on the internet picking up Lars and theyre like "hes so cool and great to play and so strong. "

no I hate him, back when i bought T7 I hated his hair and loved playing him, and now i love his hair and hate playing him. I hate this. I hate Tekken 8. I want to leave it. but this is Tekken.

I just want consistency. I understand sometimes inconsistencies is what brings variety and spice to the game and creative gameplay, but when its this inconsistent, it becomes easily

very frustrating very fast. the most consistent they were was safely making the game way too aggressive.

Rage, Heat, Rage Art, unbreakable throws on the shine, Oki, Ukemi its fine if these all exist, but Tekken Project NEEDS to buckle up, square up, and lock in, and properly regulate all of these mechanics. We cannot deal with these issues forever or the franchise will be dropped.

Hell, make Lars get hit on his orbital by jabs, I dont care, but you have to let his jabs then hit others fairly too. its things like that, that need to be consistent.

This a similar issue with Elden Ring, where a lot of ER bosses, is just dodge and block for 30 seconds before hitting them once, because the human characters are so aggressive and flail around so much, you cant poke back and forth and duck and weave smoothly between dodging/block/attack, i understand ER is a completely different animal, but in design philosophy its the same issue.

they want to see aggression in T8 to the point where you are frame trapped and forced to a particular situation due to just how safe strings are. its like ER where you just never have several neutral games and its just constant defense against an offensive that just might never end.

dont they realize SoulCal fans also(like me) didnt like how SCVI is just a game of rolling a snowball down the hill, and try not to get hit by the lone single tree that will stop your momentum, and then the next snowball is your opponents? like SCVI was entirely aggression and snowball focused, and it wasnt that great, the game was kind fun, but that made it not that great, and now in Tekken 8, its kinda BAD.

Let me rant. im pissed.

I was a Lars main in T7, I picked it up like 2021 or 2022, maybe like a year after the last DLC character(which I think was Leeroy, idk correct me on that in the replies.)

When I hopped on Tekken 7 so late, it was a whole new game to me practically. I was about as aggressive as it gets in that game, despite playing the way you would play in 8, I was more aggressive to an extent, but in 7 if you played identically to how everyone NEEDS to play in 8, you would get thrown into a woodchipper like an oblivious rabbit.

despite that, i tried to play aggression based in Tekken 7 as realistically as possible without just, utterly failing at the game like some monkey with a bigger attitude problem than mine, I was Suzaku by the end of my play time. If people think T7 had inflation in ranks of monkeys with fake ranks, then T8 is the prehistoric monkey period, there were no humans left, the ranking system is entirely subjective at this point until you're carrying a check in your hand, walking outside leaving the building that EVO is held.

Especially if you joined Tekken 7 late, the vast majority of T7 players at the end online were the religious zealots who live and breathe and recite their combo inputs in their sleep along with the rhythms saying out loud like they're sleep talking. When you join as a loser, you are surrounded by good players and constantly playing them or flawless cheaters, you are forced to condition yourself to play smarter somewhat to--- some extent.

but we have a lot of new people on T8, and the new aggression tactics work, and the problem is, the game encourages it, so new guys just, are like "hey, thats easy money."
and then the pro(not me) has to dumb themselves down to adjust to the stupid systems this game encourages.

Like, I decided to sit down, usually I play ranked in very tiny tiny bits, and told myself I wanted Fujin back in 7, that was my ULTIMATE Goal. and now in T8 people be like "yeah you can be Tekken King and still be a clown." so im like, "ok I need to be Tekken King, because I got Fujin and it wasnt that terrible in 8 right? it cant be that much more ridiculous going up to Tekken King"

So I sat down yesterday, and was grinding for like, 6 hours to the point of obsession and having a nuclear meltdown due to how mentally unstable I am despite being med compliant and just forgetful.

Delete Lars. Harada. I'm retiring. I'm quitting. I'm going back to my day job. I'm throwing in the towel.

If I see a patch, where its just another single Lars nerf, for something that isnt even strong to begin with. I swear on my grave I won't touch your games ever again, Harada, you wish you were Sakurai, and even Sakurai was washed on Ultimate, 4, PM and Melee was better and you all know it.

Go Take a Shower.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by bzo:

lars' neutral game is so bad, just have to sit there and pray your opponent messes up

That is what the opponent actually does. Block his unga for 30 seconds and guess right

you just have to stand there in neutral and watch if you need to press down..

[bzo]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by bzo:

lars' neutral game is so bad, just have to sit there and pray your opponent messes up

That is what the opponent actually does. Block his unga for 30 seconds and guess right

95% of bunga gets beaten by a jab, so this is false

[Cheez3]

Originally posted by bzo:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

That is what the opponent actually does. Block his unga for 30 seconds and guess right

95% of bunga gets beaten by a jab, so this is false

depends of the character, u dont jab a hwo at all, at least not when he's in heat and spamming armored kicks

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by bzo:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

That is what the opponent actually does. Block his unga for 30 seconds and guess right

95% of bunga gets beaten by a jab, so this is false

He has options to cover that. Same with mentioned up here hwo try downjabbing him in d34 and you will die :) or reina in sentai

[[RNGR|x|GORO]]

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

this is a copy for those who didnt read about my unfilted unhinged attitude problem.

im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and harada buried me in a iron sand beach and expect me to move and get out of the situation of Oki and actually win a trade or be able to punish people actually besides a terrible shoulder or slow ass f2, 4.

thats the entire joke of me making this post. im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and im ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ done with this game.

the oki is busted, ukemi is trash, heat is busted depending on hitboxes, everything is safe now and hardly anything is punishable naturally.

Lars can't do anything useful, he has 120 iq SITUATIONAL combos for damage that a Bryan can do by playing double dragon on the SNES.

im losing it man, im losing it, im going crazy, at least in T7 I know it was my fault 100% every single time.

You cant stand up into orbital or uf3, you cant roll into sidestep or roll into low parry, you cant roll to do anything other than block.

rising 3 does nothing and rising 4 does nothing, they have no reason to exist literally, theyre place holder actions because they lack any idea on what to do with them. but if you dont do them, sometimes you're screw because you can't block in time on attacks that look like they should scoop you up, but they definitely do.

you dont roll back anymore on get up, which would be nice if it means crunching your hurtbox and making you move faster.

3+4 is hot dog and useless. its there I guess to land the final blow on an impatient

meanwhile Oki is so busted, people just flow chart safe pokes that are also launchers into combos with Law, Lee, Lili, King, Lidia, Heihachi, Eddy, Kazuya, Yoshi, Reina, Nina poking(oh you wanna complain about how these guys are treated unfair? lab Lars for a day and bring him through the ringer for 6 months, lemme know how you feel then fighting these folks again, Nina slapping my belly like a tickler or something should not take half of my health bar and so much chip damage), and all of this other trash and then the moment ur on the ground, the 50/50s gimmicks are so poorly put together Oki and tracking is so strong, theres no reason to sidestep anymore on opponent rolling, because Oki catches it half the time.

Harada, if ur not gonna buff Lars and give him an actually super super fun moveset, just dont even bother, delete him, stop giving me a character I like, and then make him so god awful, that im eating iron sand for breakfast just to grind away through Bushin to King, and keep falling to Kishin. This is ridiculous.

Let me rant, i need to effing rant. I hear all this crap about people whining about him being gimmicky and his "unfair" and "dishonest" moveset with the "50/50 mixups" from stance. Hes literally just a smash brothers sandbag in Tekken.

you just high or mid jab literally all of his stances, you can orbital/hopkick on read on any of his lows, his f1+2 is easily punishable, not a single low of his is safe, and the only one hard to read is his df1, 3 which isnt even safe either, none of his stances are safe, just mash, and the game already is a mashing game, so that just, fits along with the status quo of the game, and decimating Lars.

what is the point of having a stance, when they are always unsafe, and in order to punish the opponent, i have to feint the stance, block and then wait until he feels like the one time of not punishing the stance which is almost never, and their punish to the stance isnt even unsafe itself when i block it, and his sidestep is garbage because of tracking despite the speed and distance of the ss, and then the backdash is terrible in this game because Harada had to be all like "But muh aggression." so because of that, whiff punish barely exists for Lars.

f, b, 2, 1 is trash, its completely unsafe on block and hardly anything tracks with lars unlike everybody else literally, despite being his hardest input. we need old df2, 1 back and buffed, get rid of this stupid lightning axle kick(the SEN 3+4) and give us back hurricane axle so we can actually wall carry again like we used to, itd be perfect with heat engager/starter or whatever the hell its called for the generic heat button input.

I understand the point of Lars is that his entire moveset is entirely micro focused instead of macro. its very easy to pull off the inputs, and using them correctly and effectively is the hard part, but in Tekken 8, this is exacerbated hard due to the new nuanced rules all of the old and new mechanics play together and how the old rules are changed and affected by the new rules.

Lars' hits still are like wet noodles against rage arts unlike other characters, his damage output is trash not even post launch but just every hit is. it feels the exact same way as Tekken 7's weak damage output on the superarmor of Rage Arts, which is understandable, but still. be consistent at least with everybody.

Lars with an unblockable launcher which is unrealistic and is the classic 100$ joke that AvoidingThePuddle made back in 7. You can get like, 100 damage if youre lucky with full use of heat and rage and counterhit, and you cant use the rage art either because in that scenario, Lars pushes targets so far away, and they fall before Lars can catch them on the ground, meanwhile Bryan has like, a toolkit that scoops you off the ground like cow manure glued to cement using a tiny beach shovel and it somehow works mid combo.

I come across all of these hipsters on the internet picking up Lars and theyre like "hes so cool and great to play and so strong. "

no I hate him, back when i bought T7 I hated his hair and loved playing him, and now i love his hair and hate playing him. I hate this. I hate Tekken 8. I want to leave it. but this is Tekken.

I just want consistency. I understand sometimes inconsistencies is what brings variety and spice to the game and creative gameplay, but when its this inconsistent, it becomes easily

very frustrating very fast. the most consistent they were was safely making the game way too aggressive.

Rage, Heat, Rage Art, unbreakable throws on the shine, Oki, Ukemi its fine if these all exist, but Tekken Project NEEDS to buckle up, square up, and lock in, and properly regulate all of these mechanics. We cannot deal with these issues forever or the franchise will be dropped.

Hell, make Lars get hit on his orbital by jabs, I dont care, but you have to let his jabs then hit others fairly too. its things like that, that need to be consistent.

This a similar issue with Elden Ring, where a lot of ER bosses, is just dodge and block for 30 seconds before hitting them once, because the human characters are so aggressive and flail around so much, you cant poke back and forth and duck and weave smoothly between dodging/block/attack, i understand ER is a completely different animal, but in design philosophy its the same issue.

they want to see aggression in T8 to the point where you are frame trapped and forced to a particular situation due to just how safe strings are. its like ER where you just never have several neutral games and its just constant defense against an offensive that just might never end.

dont they realize SoulCal fans also(like me) didnt like how SCVI is just a game of rolling a snowball down the hill, and try not to get hit by the lone single tree that will stop your momentum, and then the next snowball is your opponents? like SCVI was entirely aggression and snowball focused, and it wasnt that great, the game was kind fun, but that made it not that great, and now in Tekken 8, its kinda BAD.

Let me rant. im pissed.

I was a Lars main in T7, I picked it up like 2021 or 2022, maybe like a year after the last DLC character(which I think was Leeroy, idk correct me on that in the replies.)

When I hopped on Tekken 7 so late, it was a whole new game to me practically. I was about as aggressive as it gets in that game, despite playing the way you would play in 8, I was more aggressive to an extent, but in 7 if you played identically to how everyone NEEDS to play in 8, you would get thrown into a woodchipper like an oblivious rabbit.

despite that, i tried to play aggression based in Tekken 7 as realistically as possible without just, utterly failing at the game like some monkey with a bigger attitude problem than mine, I was Suzaku by the end of my play time. If people think T7 had inflation in ranks of monkeys with fake ranks, then T8 is the prehistoric monkey period, there were no humans left, the ranking system is entirely subjective at this point until you're carrying a check in your hand, walking outside leaving the building that EVO is held.

Especially if you joined Tekken 7 late, the vast majority of T7 players at the end online were the religious zealots who live and breathe and recite their combo inputs in their sleep along with the rhythms saying out loud like they're sleep talking. When you join as a loser, you are surrounded by good players and constantly playing them or flawless cheaters, you are forced to condition yourself to play smarter somewhat to--- some extent.

but we have a lot of new people on T8, and the new aggression tactics work, and the problem is, the game encourages it, so new guys just, are like "hey, thats easy money."
and then the pro(not me) has to dumb themselves down to adjust to the stupid systems this game encourages.

Like, I decided to sit down, usually I play ranked in very tiny tiny bits, and told myself I wanted Fujin back in 7, that was my ULTIMATE Goal. and now in T8 people be like "yeah you can be Tekken King and still be a clown." so im like, "ok I need to be Tekken King, because I got Fujin and it wasnt that terrible in 8 right? it cant be that much more ridiculous going up to Tekken King"

So I sat down yesterday, and was grinding for like, 6 hours to the point of obsession and having a nuclear meltdown due to how mentally unstable I am despite being med compliant and just forgetful.

Delete Lars. Harada. I'm retiring. I'm quitting. I'm going back to my day job. I'm throwing in the towel.

If I see a patch, where its just another single Lars nerf, for something that isnt even strong to begin with. I swear on my grave I won't touch your games ever again, Harada, you wish you were Sakurai, and even Sakurai was washed on Ultimate, 4, PM and Melee was better and you all know it.

Go Take a Shower.

I've been maining Lars since TK7 and I know his weaknesses. He does need some buffs especially in his classic hs (ff4,3), now it's either you die or if you hit you're on - (wtf). His wall carry wallsplats have been heavily nerfed now and SEN 3+4 doesn't have any real use besides floor breaking... but that's situational too. I really find it weird to wallsplats my opponents now (in combos) because either they just won't OR I need to do weird things to wallsplats. In TK7 I used to use SEN 3+4 but now that's pretty much useless. Even in neutral play SEN 3+4 is now useless because it's been overshadowed by SEN 1, which is a heat engager, wallsplats and is -9 on block and has pushback too. You can still do some creative stuff with SEN 3+4 tho, basically mind games between low and orbital or f1+2 - if the opponent gets up. But why doing that when you can heat dash with SEN1?

SEN df1 is gone and that just pisses me off quite a lot; SS2 is -7 but I think in 7 it was much more safer if I'm not mistaken. His UF3+4 has been reworked badly: he lost his low. He ONLY has 2 moves that give him priority: DEN 3 and d2, but apart from that nothing. Even doing lows is risky asf because if you do them you are on - even on hit.

Good thing is that he still has amazing punishers, especially fb2,1


He's still really fun to play anyways

[Really? Sea Server?]

Wah this article longer than my life and then relax bro, calm down and All you need to do is take a deep breathe bro. Lars require high IQ to play bro, dont force yourself to play him if u are unhappy play as him. Just a game don't make yourself unhappy. Maybe your IQ is high too without meaning being sarcastic just spend more time play as him to gain experience.

[bzo]

Originally posted by Cheez3:

Originally posted by bzo:

95% of bunga gets beaten by a jab, so this is false

depends of the character, u dont jab a hwo at all, at least not when he's in heat and spamming armored kicks

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by bzo:

95% of bunga gets beaten by a jab, so this is false

He has options to cover that. Same with mentioned up here hwo try downjabbing him in d34 and you will die :) or reina in sentai

5head answer, ofc i wasn't being literal, but 95% of lars' moves/stances get interrupted because they take about 5 working days to transition

[FerSantander]

I actually liked Lars when it was released.

Yeee the jokes with the hair and his "naiveness" with Alisa and blahblah.

Thing is that I found his style kinda original, and that it was the first time we had a tekken tropper aboard. You know, the game was called.., tekken

And don't forget hw owned everyone in T6, Jin and Azazel included.

But ok the character "failed" to take main story role I understand...

[[RNGR|x|GORO]]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

I actually liked Lars when it was released.

Yeee the jokes with the hair and his "naiveness" with Alisa and blahblah.

Thing is that I found his style kinda original, and that it was the first time we had a tekken tropper aboard. You know, the game was called.., tekken

And don't forget hw owned everyone in T6, Jin and Azazel included.

But ok the character "failed" to take main story role I understand...

what's hw?

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by RNGR|x|GORO:

Originally posted by FerSantander:

I actually liked Lars when it was released.

Yeee the jokes with the hair and his "naiveness" with Alisa and blahblah.

Thing is that I found his style kinda original, and that it was the first time we had a tekken tropper aboard. You know, the game was called.., tekken

And don't forget hw owned everyone in T6, Jin and Azazel included.

But ok the character "failed" to take main story role I understand...

what's hw?

How