Hi I main Lars and I hate him more than you do.

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

this is a copy for those who didnt read about my unfilted unhinged attitude problem.

im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and harada buried me in a iron sand beach and expect me to move and get out of the situation of Oki and actually win a trade or be able to punish people actually besides a terrible shoulder or slow ass f2, 4.

thats the entire joke of me making this post. im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and im ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ done with this game.

the oki is busted, ukemi is trash, heat is busted depending on hitboxes, everything is safe now and hardly anything is punishable naturally.

Lars can't do anything useful, he has 120 iq SITUATIONAL combos for damage that a Bryan can do by playing double dragon on the SNES.

im losing it man, im losing it, im going crazy, at least in T7 I know it was my fault 100% every single time.

You cant stand up into orbital or uf3, you cant roll into sidestep or roll into low parry, you cant roll to do anything other than block.

rising 3 does nothing and rising 4 does nothing, they have no reason to exist literally, theyre place holder actions because they lack any idea on what to do with them. but if you dont do them, sometimes you're screw because you can't block in time on attacks that look like they should scoop you up, but they definitely do.

you dont roll back anymore on get up, which would be nice if it means crunching your hurtbox and making you move faster.

3+4 is hot dog and useless. its there I guess to land the final blow on an impatient

meanwhile Oki is so busted, people just flow chart safe pokes that are also launchers into combos with Law, Lee, Lili, King, Lidia, Heihachi, Eddy, Kazuya, Yoshi, Reina, Nina poking(oh you wanna complain about how these guys are treated unfair? lab Lars for a day and bring him through the ringer for 6 months, lemme know how you feel then fighting these folks again, Nina slapping my belly like a tickler or something should not take half of my health bar and so much chip damage), and all of this other trash and then the moment ur on the ground, the 50/50s gimmicks are so poorly put together Oki and tracking is so strong, theres no reason to sidestep anymore on opponent rolling, because Oki catches it half the time.

Harada, if ur not gonna buff Lars and give him an actually super super fun moveset, just dont even bother, delete him, stop giving me a character I like, and then make him so god awful, that im eating iron sand for breakfast just to grind away through Bushin to King, and keep falling to Kishin. This is ridiculous.

Let me rant, i need to effing rant. I hear all this crap about people whining about him being gimmicky and his "unfair" and "dishonest" moveset with the "50/50 mixups" from stance. Hes literally just a smash brothers sandbag in Tekken.

you just high or mid jab literally all of his stances, you can orbital/hopkick on read on any of his lows, his f1+2 is easily punishable, not a single low of his is safe, and the only one hard to read is his df1, 3 which isnt even safe either, none of his stances are safe, just mash, and the game already is a mashing game, so that just, fits along with the status quo of the game, and decimating Lars.

what is the point of having a stance, when they are always unsafe, and in order to punish the opponent, i have to feint the stance, block and then wait until he feels like the one time of not punishing the stance which is almost never, and their punish to the stance isnt even unsafe itself when i block it, and his sidestep is garbage because of tracking despite the speed and distance of the ss, and then the backdash is terrible in this game because Harada had to be all like "But muh aggression." so because of that, whiff punish barely exists for Lars.

f, b, 2, 1 is trash, its completely unsafe on block and hardly anything tracks with lars unlike everybody else literally, despite being his hardest input. we need old df2, 1 back and buffed, get rid of this stupid lightning axle kick(the SEN 3+4) and give us back hurricane axle so we can actually wall carry again like we used to, itd be perfect with heat engager/starter or whatever the hell its called for the generic heat button input.

I understand the point of Lars is that his entire moveset is entirely micro focused instead of macro. its very easy to pull off the inputs, and using them correctly and effectively is the hard part, but in Tekken 8, this is exacerbated hard due to the new nuanced rules all of the old and new mechanics play together and how the old rules are changed and affected by the new rules.

Lars' hits still are like wet noodles against rage arts unlike other characters, his damage output is trash not even post launch but just every hit is. it feels the exact same way as Tekken 7's weak damage output on the superarmor of Rage Arts, which is understandable, but still. be consistent at least with everybody.

Lars with an unblockable launcher which is unrealistic and is the classic 100$ joke that AvoidingThePuddle made back in 7. You can get like, 100 damage if youre lucky with full use of heat and rage and counterhit, and you cant use the rage art either because in that scenario, Lars pushes targets so far away, and they fall before Lars can catch them on the ground, meanwhile Bryan has like, a toolkit that scoops you off the ground like cow manure glued to cement using a tiny beach shovel and it somehow works mid combo.

I come across all of these hipsters on the internet picking up Lars and theyre like "hes so cool and great to play and so strong. "

no I hate him, back when i bought T7 I hated his hair and loved playing him, and now i love his hair and hate playing him. I hate this. I hate Tekken 8. I want to leave it. but this is Tekken.

I just want consistency. I understand sometimes inconsistencies is what brings variety and spice to the game and creative gameplay, but when its this inconsistent, it becomes easily

very frustrating very fast. the most consistent they were was safely making the game way too aggressive.

Rage, Heat, Rage Art, unbreakable throws on the shine, Oki, Ukemi its fine if these all exist, but Tekken Project NEEDS to buckle up, square up, and lock in, and properly regulate all of these mechanics. We cannot deal with these issues forever or the franchise will be dropped.

Hell, make Lars get hit on his orbital by jabs, I dont care, but you have to let his jabs then hit others fairly too. its things like that, that need to be consistent.

This a similar issue with Elden Ring, where a lot of ER bosses, is just dodge and block for 30 seconds before hitting them once, because the human characters are so aggressive and flail around so much, you cant poke back and forth and duck and weave smoothly between dodging/block/attack, i understand ER is a completely different animal, but in design philosophy its the same issue.

they want to see aggression in T8 to the point where you are frame trapped and forced to a particular situation due to just how safe strings are. its like ER where you just never have several neutral games and its just constant defense against an offensive that just might never end.

dont they realize SoulCal fans also(like me) didnt like how SCVI is just a game of rolling a snowball down the hill, and try not to get hit by the lone single tree that will stop your momentum, and then the next snowball is your opponents? like SCVI was entirely aggression and snowball focused, and it wasnt that great, the game was kind fun, but that made it not that great, and now in Tekken 8, its kinda BAD.

Let me rant. im pissed.

I was a Lars main in T7, I picked it up like 2021 or 2022, maybe like a year after the last DLC character(which I think was Leeroy, idk correct me on that in the replies.)

When I hopped on Tekken 7 so late, it was a whole new game to me practically. I was about as aggressive as it gets in that game, despite playing the way you would play in 8, I was more aggressive to an extent, but in 7 if you played identically to how everyone NEEDS to play in 8, you would get thrown into a woodchipper like an oblivious rabbit.

despite that, i tried to play aggression based in Tekken 7 as realistically as possible without just, utterly failing at the game like some monkey with a bigger attitude problem than mine, I was Suzaku by the end of my play time. If people think T7 had inflation in ranks of monkeys with fake ranks, then T8 is the prehistoric monkey period, there were no humans left, the ranking system is entirely subjective at this point until you're carrying a check in your hand, walking outside leaving the building that EVO is held.

Especially if you joined Tekken 7 late, the vast majority of T7 players at the end online were the religious zealots who live and breathe and recite their combo inputs in their sleep along with the rhythms saying out loud like they're sleep talking. When you join as a loser, you are surrounded by good players and constantly playing them or flawless cheaters, you are forced to condition yourself to play smarter somewhat to--- some extent.

but we have a lot of new people on T8, and the new aggression tactics work, and the problem is, the game encourages it, so new guys just, are like "hey, thats easy money."
and then the pro(not me) has to dumb themselves down to adjust to the stupid systems this game encourages.

Like, I decided to sit down, usually I play ranked in very tiny tiny bits, and told myself I wanted Fujin back in 7, that was my ULTIMATE Goal. and now in T8 people be like "yeah you can be Tekken King and still be a clown." so im like, "ok I need to be Tekken King, because I got Fujin and it wasnt that terrible in 8 right? it cant be that much more ridiculous going up to Tekken King"

So I sat down yesterday, and was grinding for like, 6 hours to the point of obsession and having a nuclear meltdown due to how mentally unstable I am despite being med compliant and just forgetful.

Delete Lars. Harada. I'm retiring. I'm quitting. I'm going back to my day job. I'm throwing in the towel.

If I see a patch, where its just another single Lars nerf, for something that isnt even strong to begin with. I swear on my grave I won't touch your games ever again, Harada, you wish you were Sakurai, and even Sakurai was washed on Ultimate, 4, PM and Melee was better and you all know it.

Go Take a Shower.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Lars is easy to beat and you aren't frame trapped you are knowledge checked. thats what they mean by aggressive.

[LonesomeSparrow]

I can't even tell which of his attacks are lows and which ones are mids. they all look the same to me as this weirdo is hugging the floor zapping back and forth.
at least your character is so rare that it's not worth the time to take it to the training room.

[Elbow]

as a fellow Lars main since T7 myself i can confidently say my man you are on one

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

Originally posted by S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr:

Lars is easy to beat and you aren't frame trapped you are knowledge checked. thats what they mean by aggressive.

Frame trapped is being stuck on a heavy negative when you are blocking.

Knowledge checking would matter if they didn't have 5 strings that are on block positive for them.

Knowledge checking would matter if I could duck punish highs without eating a mid in the face afterwards and not give them a traded counter hit.

Knowledge checking would matter if sidestepping actually ever worked as intended and attacks didn't track mid string.

This is the entire point of this post. Lars IS easy to beat. To the point of where it's actually sad.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

Originally posted by S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr:

Lars is easy to beat and you aren't frame trapped you are knowledge checked. thats what they mean by aggressive.

Frame trapped is being stuck on a heavy negative when you are blocking.

Knowledge checking would matter if they didn't have 5 strings that are on block positive for them.

Knowledge checking would matter if I could duck punish highs without eating a mid in the face afterwards and not give them a traded counter hit.

Knowledge checking would matter if sidestepping actually ever worked as intended and attacks didn't track mid string.

This is the entire point of this post. Lars IS easy to beat. To the point of where it's actually sad.

sounds like you just get too stance happy ..

[Lord Pendragon]

Spam the lars low and mid in random order and you fujin.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Lord Pendragon:

Spam the lars low and mid in random order and you fujin.

db, wait for low to df.
db release if mid.

[Sirlion]

Complaining about f2,4 being slow? Complaining about f,b+2,1 being heavily unsafe on block? Dude you dont need to change mains, you need to change game altogether.
Ranting is fine, but you dont seem to be understanding the point of your own moves. Like this is scrub talk.

Sure Lars is worse than his T7 counterpart in a few aspects sadly (namely, b+1 not giving CH KND anymore, db+1+2 not being a launcher anymore, b+1+2 having a huge ass hitbox so it does not evade anything anymore) but the target of your complaints should be elsewhere. How about you use that d+2 which is a +0 on block mid that tracks slightly and is +8 on hit \ CH KND? how about you mix people up with ff+2,f? How about you go for that ff+1+2 \ f,ff+2+4 mixup? Like... sure his neutral is not good right now but you got options, you just need to get creative. Does it require more time than other characters? Sure. Surprise ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Lars is not easy to win with.

[SaltierThanYou]

Lars does get the short end of the stick, but they also gave him brain dead moves like DE3 and in heat f,3+4. You also see dumb asses just use df2 into SE getting in blue ranks. Not only does he struggle in a real match, but they made it so any ♥♥♥♥ can get red rank+ with him. Which now makes people ♥♥♥♥♥ about him, I would say "lab it" like certain ♥♥♥♥♥ who play Zafina, Alisa, Yoshi, ect; but in all honesty you don't need to lab Lars. A simple 1 or 2 min info dump will solve most of your issues when you fight him, if only most characters in Tekken were that simple.

[FerSantander]

Still waiting for somebody to explain me why his old 1+2,2 (cancellable) was removed in tekken 7 and 8.

[aedd gynwael]

just start playing another character bro, the game has many of them

[YT_RealDahmni]

Originally posted by ROADKILL=FOX=:

this is a copy for those who didnt read about my unfilted unhinged attitude problem.

im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and harada buried me in a iron sand beach and expect me to move and get out of the situation of Oki and actually win a trade or be able to punish people actually besides a terrible shoulder or slow ass f2, 4.

thats the entire joke of me making this post. im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lars main and im ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ done with this game.

the oki is busted, ukemi is trash, heat is busted depending on hitboxes, everything is safe now and hardly anything is punishable naturally.

Lars can't do anything useful, he has 120 iq SITUATIONAL combos for damage that a Bryan can do by playing double dragon on the SNES.

im losing it man, im losing it, im going crazy, at least in T7 I know it was my fault 100% every single time.

You cant stand up into orbital or uf3, you cant roll into sidestep or roll into low parry, you cant roll to do anything other than block.

rising 3 does nothing and rising 4 does nothing, they have no reason to exist literally, theyre place holder actions because they lack any idea on what to do with them. but if you dont do them, sometimes you're screw because you can't block in time on attacks that look like they should scoop you up, but they definitely do.

you dont roll back anymore on get up, which would be nice if it means crunching your hurtbox and making you move faster.

3+4 is hot dog and useless. its there I guess to land the final blow on an impatient

meanwhile Oki is so busted, people just flow chart safe pokes that are also launchers into combos with Law, Lee, Lili, King, Lidia, Heihachi, Eddy, Kazuya, Yoshi, Reina, Nina poking(oh you wanna complain about how these guys are treated unfair? lab Lars for a day and bring him through the ringer for 6 months, lemme know how you feel then fighting these folks again, Nina slapping my belly like a tickler or something should not take half of my health bar and so much chip damage), and all of this other trash and then the moment ur on the ground, the 50/50s gimmicks are so poorly put together Oki and tracking is so strong, theres no reason to sidestep anymore on opponent rolling, because Oki catches it half the time.

Harada, if ur not gonna buff Lars and give him an actually super super fun moveset, just dont even bother, delete him, stop giving me a character I like, and then make him so god awful, that im eating iron sand for breakfast just to grind away through Bushin to King, and keep falling to Kishin. This is ridiculous.

Let me rant, i need to effing rant. I hear all this crap about people whining about him being gimmicky and his "unfair" and "dishonest" moveset with the "50/50 mixups" from stance. Hes literally just a smash brothers sandbag in Tekken.

you just high or mid jab literally all of his stances, you can orbital/hopkick on read on any of his lows, his f1+2 is easily punishable, not a single low of his is safe, and the only one hard to read is his df1, 3 which isnt even safe either, none of his stances are safe, just mash, and the game already is a mashing game, so that just, fits along with the status quo of the game, and decimating Lars.

what is the point of having a stance, when they are always unsafe, and in order to punish the opponent, i have to feint the stance, block and then wait until he feels like the one time of not punishing the stance which is almost never, and their punish to the stance isnt even unsafe itself when i block it, and his sidestep is garbage because of tracking despite the speed and distance of the ss, and then the backdash is terrible in this game because Harada had to be all like "But muh aggression." so because of that, whiff punish barely exists for Lars.

f, b, 2, 1 is trash, its completely unsafe on block and hardly anything tracks with lars unlike everybody else literally, despite being his hardest input. we need old df2, 1 back and buffed, get rid of this stupid lightning axle kick(the SEN 3+4) and give us back hurricane axle so we can actually wall carry again like we used to, itd be perfect with heat engager/starter or whatever the hell its called for the generic heat button input.

I understand the point of Lars is that his entire moveset is entirely micro focused instead of macro. its very easy to pull off the inputs, and using them correctly and effectively is the hard part, but in Tekken 8, this is exacerbated hard due to the new nuanced rules all of the old and new mechanics play together and how the old rules are changed and affected by the new rules.

Lars' hits still are like wet noodles against rage arts unlike other characters, his damage output is trash not even post launch but just every hit is. it feels the exact same way as Tekken 7's weak damage output on the superarmor of Rage Arts, which is understandable, but still. be consistent at least with everybody.

Lars with an unblockable launcher which is unrealistic and is the classic 100$ joke that AvoidingThePuddle made back in 7. You can get like, 100 damage if youre lucky with full use of heat and rage and counterhit, and you cant use the rage art either because in that scenario, Lars pushes targets so far away, and they fall before Lars can catch them on the ground, meanwhile Bryan has like, a toolkit that scoops you off the ground like cow manure glued to cement using a tiny beach shovel and it somehow works mid combo.

I come across all of these hipsters on the internet picking up Lars and theyre like "hes so cool and great to play and so strong. "

no I hate him, back when i bought T7 I hated his hair and loved playing him, and now i love his hair and hate playing him. I hate this. I hate Tekken 8. I want to leave it. but this is Tekken.

I just want consistency. I understand sometimes inconsistencies is what brings variety and spice to the game and creative gameplay, but when its this inconsistent, it becomes easily

very frustrating very fast. the most consistent they were was safely making the game way too aggressive.

Rage, Heat, Rage Art, unbreakable throws on the shine, Oki, Ukemi its fine if these all exist, but Tekken Project NEEDS to buckle up, square up, and lock in, and properly regulate all of these mechanics. We cannot deal with these issues forever or the franchise will be dropped.

Hell, make Lars get hit on his orbital by jabs, I dont care, but you have to let his jabs then hit others fairly too. its things like that, that need to be consistent.

This a similar issue with Elden Ring, where a lot of ER bosses, is just dodge and block for 30 seconds before hitting them once, because the human characters are so aggressive and flail around so much, you cant poke back and forth and duck and weave smoothly between dodging/block/attack, i understand ER is a completely different animal, but in design philosophy its the same issue.

they want to see aggression in T8 to the point where you are frame trapped and forced to a particular situation due to just how safe strings are. its like ER where you just never have several neutral games and its just constant defense against an offensive that just might never end.

dont they realize SoulCal fans also(like me) didnt like how SCVI is just a game of rolling a snowball down the hill, and try not to get hit by the lone single tree that will stop your momentum, and then the next snowball is your opponents? like SCVI was entirely aggression and snowball focused, and it wasnt that great, the game was kind fun, but that made it not that great, and now in Tekken 8, its kinda BAD.

Let me rant. im pissed.

I was a Lars main in T7, I picked it up like 2021 or 2022, maybe like a year after the last DLC character(which I think was Leeroy, idk correct me on that in the replies.)

When I hopped on Tekken 7 so late, it was a whole new game to me practically. I was about as aggressive as it gets in that game, despite playing the way you would play in 8, I was more aggressive to an extent, but in 7 if you played identically to how everyone NEEDS to play in 8, you would get thrown into a woodchipper like an oblivious rabbit.

despite that, i tried to play aggression based in Tekken 7 as realistically as possible without just, utterly failing at the game like some monkey with a bigger attitude problem than mine, I was Suzaku by the end of my play time. If people think T7 had inflation in ranks of monkeys with fake ranks, then T8 is the prehistoric monkey period, there were no humans left, the ranking system is entirely subjective at this point until you're carrying a check in your hand, walking outside leaving the building that EVO is held.

Especially if you joined Tekken 7 late, the vast majority of T7 players at the end online were the religious zealots who live and breathe and recite their combo inputs in their sleep along with the rhythms saying out loud like they're sleep talking. When you join as a loser, you are surrounded by good players and constantly playing them or flawless cheaters, you are forced to condition yourself to play smarter somewhat to--- some extent.

but we have a lot of new people on T8, and the new aggression tactics work, and the problem is, the game encourages it, so new guys just, are like "hey, thats easy money."
and then the pro(not me) has to dumb themselves down to adjust to the stupid systems this game encourages.

Like, I decided to sit down, usually I play ranked in very tiny tiny bits, and told myself I wanted Fujin back in 7, that was my ULTIMATE Goal. and now in T8 people be like "yeah you can be Tekken King and still be a clown." so im like, "ok I need to be Tekken King, because I got Fujin and it wasnt that terrible in 8 right? it cant be that much more ridiculous going up to Tekken King"

So I sat down yesterday, and was grinding for like, 6 hours to the point of obsession and having a nuclear meltdown due to how mentally unstable I am despite being med compliant and just forgetful.

Delete Lars. Harada. I'm retiring. I'm quitting. I'm going back to my day job. I'm throwing in the towel.

If I see a patch, where its just another single Lars nerf, for something that isnt even strong to begin with. I swear on my grave I won't touch your games ever again, Harada, you wish you were Sakurai, and even Sakurai was washed on Ultimate, 4, PM and Melee was better and you all know it.

Go Take a Shower.

see you tomorrow

[Cheez3]

I aint reading such long post

[ROADKILL=FOX=]

Originally posted by Cheez3:

I aint reading such long post

Thats fair I hope you have a nice day.

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by FerSantander:

Still waiting for somebody to explain me why his old 1+2,2 (cancellable) was removed in tekken 7 and 8.

Because 1+2 is the RA button, duh. That and Devil Jin has it so Lars clearly cant have it too right