1400 wavu rank points = scrub?

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According to a reddit post, wavu ranks can be classified as follows:

1200-1399 = 'D' player - usually a beginner

1400-1599 = 'C' player - average player, most people can achieve this level if they work at it

1600-1799 = 'B' player - consistently above average

1800-1999 = 'A' player - strong player, knows stuff

2000-2199 = 'Expert' - very strong, consistent player

2200-2399 = 'Master' - strongest amateur / semi pro

2400-2499 = 'International Master' - True pro

2500+ = 'Grandmaster' - Exceptional pro

That being said, would it be insulting to call a player with 1400 wavu points a bad player/noob/scrub?

If its a fact according to the metrics, would it be a violation of the ToS/CoC to call a 1400 player a bad player/scrub/noob?

Discuss

[Calm Hostage]

IIRC, 1400 was my rating when I was a 14 year old casual chess player.

For context, I could beat other kids, and was pretty happy if I could keep a game close with an adult.

[BananaAnna69]

I doubt anybody is a scrub. I mean losing made even me say not so cool stuff but in general.
Dond mind dont mind.

Except your experiances might not hold up to the help you try to give.

So let the number just be an indicator of your training :)

[Sirlion]

that ban was quick

[Messsucher]

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by Messsucher:

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

Everyone calls each other a noob and lots of times there's literally no ill will behind such word.

Scrub, on the other hand, is only used by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ looking to drag someone who is clearly tilted further down.

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by Messsucher:

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

Are you saying they are a bad player for calling other players bad?

A good player never calls other players bad. Only bad players do that.

[Messsucher]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Originally posted by Messsucher:

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

Everyone calls each other a noob and lots of times there's literally no ill will behind such word.

Scrub, on the other hand, is only used by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ looking to drag someone who is clearly tilted further down.

You are right on that.

Also, I know very well that no ill will noob talk. It is okay if those doing it are all fine with with, like consensual. But it would not be bad to go to next level and end it altogether.

[Messsucher]

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

Originally posted by Messsucher:

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

Are you saying they are a bad player for calling other players bad?

A good player never calls other players bad. Only bad players do that.

Yes, most of the time. They can be above average in skills, but they are never really skilled players. They are bad simply because they do no good to the community. Really skilled players, for whatever reason, do not call other players scrubs. And those better than average players who use that scrub word tend to end it when they realize they will never become really skilled. Or maybe they just grow up.

Edit: I try to simplify this. A better than average player beats below than average players and think he is good, and begin to call below than average players scrubs. Is he a good or bad player? Regarding skills he is just above average, which is not much, and definitely not good. His behavior is just plain bad. What all this make of him?

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by Messsucher:

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

Are you saying they are a bad player for calling other players bad?

A good player never calls other players bad. Only bad players do that.

Yes, most of the time. They can be above average in skills, but they are never really skilled players.

Another direct contradiction.

If your argument that being a good community ambassador is the definition of a good and/or skilled player, I would nominate those here trying to engage the community, and provide genuinely helpful advice to assist other players in growing. Of course, you actually have to have some knowledge and skill at the game before you can give back to the community like that in a meaningful way.

Who I would not nominate, under this definition, are those that try to derail said discussions and report half the community in an attempt to silence them, for not agreeing with fringe opinions.

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by Messsucher:

Yes, most of the time. They can be above average in skills, but they are never really skilled players.

Another direct contradiction.

If your argument is that being a good community ambassador is the definition of a good and/or skilled player, I would nominate those here trying to engage the community, and provide genuinely helpful advice to assist other players in growing. Of course, you actually have to have some knowledge and skill at the game before you can give back to the community like that in a meaningful way.

Who I would not nominate, under this definition, are those that try to derail said discussions and report half the community in an attempt to silence them, for not agreeing with fringe opinions that would only ever be put forth by a sc***.

[Messsucher]

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

Originally posted by Messsucher:

Yes, most of the time. They can be above average in skills, but they are never really skilled players.

Another direct contradiction.

If your argument is that being a good community ambassador is the definition of a good and/or skilled player, I would nominate those here trying to engage the community, and provide genuinely helpful advice to assist other players in growing. Of course, you actually have to have some knowledge and skill at the game before you can give back to the community like that in a meaningful way.

Who I would not nominate, under this definition, are those that try to derail said discussions and report half the community in an attempt to silence them, for not agreeing with fringe opinions that would only ever be put forth by a sc***.

There is no contradictions. It is just observations I have made in some 40 years in various PvP games concluded in two sentences. If you read again when I explained it I took skill into count. So there is no room for you to go defensive and begin to talk about skill. I have never ever seen a really skilled player going to that scrub calling mode. Only somewhat above average players do that, and interestingly enough below average players do that too. I think it stirs from self hatred and bitterness.

And community is very important. Because when there is no more community the game is dead. And if there is bad community then half of the fun is lost. You can still enjoy of the game, but a great community let you enjoy of the game much more. What you talked about community show you have some good insight of gaming and you are able to analyze situations. That is good. Keep it up.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Originally posted by Messsucher:

A good player never calls other players scrubs/noobs/bads etc. Only bad players do that.

Everyone calls each other a noob and lots of times there's literally no ill will behind such word.

Scrub, on the other hand, is only used by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ looking to drag someone who is clearly tilted further down.

Technically a scrub has some old rough history being really offensive to a lot of types, so I'm kind of shocked to see it return in the FGC or ingeneral.

Scrub has been slang for an “insignificant or contemptible person” since the 1500s.
Over the centuries, the term was used as a slur to denigrate CSW's and even Black people for a time.

In the late 1800s, scrub was being used by athletes to deride inferior opponents.

So its never been a good term (ever) and more of a slur when it comes to its roots.

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by Messsucher:

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

Another direct contradiction.

If your argument is that being a good community ambassador is the definition of a good and/or skilled player, I would nominate those here trying to engage the community, and provide genuinely helpful advice to assist other players in growing. Of course, you actually have to have some knowledge and skill at the game before you can give back to the community like that in a meaningful way.

Who I would not nominate, under this definition, are those that try to derail said discussions and report half the community in an attempt to silence them, for not agreeing with fringe opinions that would only ever be put forth by a sc***.

There is no contradictions. It is just observations I have made in some 40 years in various PvP games concluded in two sentences. If you read again when I explained it I took skill into count. So there is no room for you to go defensive and begin to talk about skill. I have never ever seen a really skilled player going to that scrub calling mode. Only somewhat above average players do that, and interestingly enough below average players do that too. I think it stirs from self hatred and bitterness.

And community is very important. Because when there is no more community the game is dead. And if there is bad community then half of the fun is lost. You can still enjoy of the game, but a great community let you enjoy of the game much more. What you talked about community show you have some good insight of gaming and you are able to analyze situations. That is good. Keep it up.

In a functional, healthy community I absolutely agree. Thing is, I am not confident this is one of those communities. I think this is a special case.

No one here is an Arslan Ash or a Knee, and tre's never going to be the prospect of the forum producing one, because any constructive discourse will get torpedoed by someone insecure enough about their own game performance to attempt to shut down the entire discussion.

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr:

Originally posted by Castyles:

Everyone calls each other a noob and lots of times there's literally no ill will behind such word.

Scrub, on the other hand, is only used by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ looking to drag someone who is clearly tilted further down.

Technically a scrub has some old rough history being really offensive to a lot of types, so I'm kind of shocked to see it return in the FGC or ingeneral.

Scrub has been slang for an “insignificant or contemptible person” since the 1500s.
Over the centuries, the term was used as a slur to denigrate CSW's and even Black people for a time.

In the late 1800s, scrub was being used by athletes to deride inferior opponents.

So its never been a good term (ever) and more of a slur when it comes to its roots.

I thought this term was reclaimed by the popular American girl group TLC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLequ6dUdM

To my knowledge, this is an accepted term in 2024. If someone of color would like to weigh in here, I'm certainly willing to listen. But until then, I'm not interested in listening to a member of a gaming group dedicated to removing people of color from video games dictate how the FGC should speak.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

Originally posted by S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr:

Technically a scrub has some old rough history being really offensive to a lot of types, so I'm kind of shocked to see it return in the FGC or ingeneral.

Scrub has been slang for an “insignificant or contemptible person” since the 1500s.
Over the centuries, the term was used as a slur to denigrate CSW's and even Black people for a time.

In the late 1800s, scrub was being used by athletes to deride inferior opponents.

So its never been a good term (ever) and more of a slur when it comes to its roots.

I thought this term was reclaimed by the popular American girl group TLC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLequ6dUdM

To my knowledge, this is an accepted term in 2024. If someone of color would like to weigh in here, I'm certainly willing to listen. But until then, I'm not interested in listening to a member of a gaming group dedicated to removing people of color from video games dictate how the FGC should speak.

As far as gaming speech its a derogatory term for "new player".
Idk if its adopted the same etymology or not as language shifts, but language usually does not polarize it tends to stay the same even if it lessens from use, and age at times.