Will I get banned? Steam Button Mapping

[kujomon]

I use steam controller mapping to bind left stick right to the button next to my right punch on my leverless snackbox micro. This makes KBD and PEWGF alot easier for me because I can click right and then just down+2+right again but with my right hand for 2+right input. Think this is bannable or considered cheating/macroing?


FINAL NOTE TO "ANSWER" THE THREAD BELOW (TRIGGER WARNING!!!):

If it works in the in game Tekken button mapping it is fair game. It works for keyboard but not controllers.
Having left stick right on another button did not work for my snackbox micro without using the steam button mapping because it recognized the input as a controller and not KBM.
You will probably NOT get banned for button mapping your controller with the steam settings like I did but, you most likely won't be able to play locals with those settings, actually almost 100% positive you won't be able to.

However if I could go on a little(long) rant...
I'm pretty certain this button mapping that kbm players have access to would be extremely useful on any console controller or fightstick as well... as moving a joystick is a lot less precise and quick than rolling your fingers on asd or double tapping "d" for forward. I could see another left stick forward bind coming in handy on stick or pad for sure and wouldn't complain if controller players in lower ranks than me can now space better with KBD, hit electrics more consistently, or double tap forward with two binds for f... It's like they will eventually get to that point by putting 2000 hours in Tekken but is there really any fun or point to go through all of that besides the fact that older tekken veterans were forced to learn the hard and "legit:" way?
But hey, thats just me.. I was called a cheater by multiple people for even asking this question, just for us to find out it works on keyboard in game (which is pretty much just a better snackbox micro with 10x more buttons!!!) HAHA!


Is this intentional by the develepors? Don't ask me... But IN MY OPINION, if it works for keyboard and mouse warriors such as myself, why not use it on other devices? I saw this exact same thing happen with Apex Legends where every PC controller player used steam input mapping to bind multiple shortcuts that us keyboard players had access too such as scroll wheel to jump and much more, the tech that came from it was just not possible without it which is how I got the idea in the first place. No one really complained(at least I didn't) because it just made the fun "technical" things a little more consistent for the controller players like wall jumping and air strafing that I was doing every single time because of my input device choice. I could say the same about fortnite when they gave scroll wheel reset to controller players and double edit binds.
EVEN ON ROCKET LEAGUE everyone and their mother uses multiple of the same binds with the in game settings to do insane mechanics such as tornado spin with air roll right/left on another bind which frees up your air mobility to new extremes. Actually in Rocket league the in game bind is pretty much a macro, its air roll and a directional input, equal to having a directional input and a face button in Tekken.

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But anyone else think it’s kinda stupid that it works for keyboard when it’s literally like the same device? I feel like I can swap to keyboard and play just as well… but it’s not that deep, I see how pressed people are getting about the bind and I don’t need the bind to play the game and have fun so it’s no big deal.

Yes it's stupid. It's there for accessibility but it also gives keyboard players an unfair advantage that players don't have when they're on controller. That's why I'm not tripping about what you bind because we already have keyboard players doing the same thing.

No cause i play on keyboard and would not lower myself to bind double inputs. Then again i can do dash, backdash, ss and wavu cancel ewgf or solid punish ewgf so playing like this would actually be uncomfortable instead of helping

[C1REX]

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I see why it's considered cheating

Until 2004 using more than the default 4 buttons in a tournament was cheating. Later arcade machines had ps1/ps2 controller ports but shoulder buttons did nothing so using an arcade stick was still easier.

Tekken is very unique as you need to just frame two punches to break command throws for example. Because of that even pros map 1+2 (and other) inputs for more consistency. I personally don’t understand why Tekken has this mechanics but because of that I prefer a ps controller due to easier access to all 8 buttons. If Tekken had normal inputs then I would use an arcade stick with the default 4 buttons.

[Arbor]

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Yes it's stupid. It's there for accessibility but it also gives keyboard players an unfair advantage that players don't have when they're on controller. That's why I'm not tripping about what you bind because we already have keyboard players doing the same thing.

No cause i play on keyboard and would not lower myself to bind double inputs. Then again i can do dash, backdash, ss and wavu cancel ewgf or solid punish ewgf so playing like this would actually be uncomfortable instead of helping

I’m not saying every keyboard player does it. I’m just saying that they can. Instead of playing as if they’re playing piano they can double bind and make kbd, wavu, ewgf etc easier.

https://youtu.be/xrvvBbuBYc8?si=Eq7hFBOH5K8m-q4f
Now that’s legit asf.

[kujomon]

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No cause i play on keyboard and would not lower myself to bind double inputs. Then again i can do dash, backdash, ss and wavu cancel ewgf or solid punish ewgf so playing like this would actually be uncomfortable instead of helping

I’m not saying every keyboard player does it. I’m just saying that they can. Instead of playing as if they’re playing piano they can double bind and make kbd, wavu, ewgf etc easier.

https://youtu.be/xrvvBbuBYc8?si=Eq7hFBOH5K8m-q4f
Now that’s legit asf.

Wow Devilster uses it way more than me, I only have the right bind and only use it for electric and kbd. That’s crazy

[Hex:WifeCheatedOnMe]

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I’m not saying every keyboard player does it. I’m just saying that they can. Instead of playing as if they’re playing piano they can double bind and make kbd, wavu, ewgf etc easier.

https://youtu.be/xrvvBbuBYc8?si=Eq7hFBOH5K8m-q4f
Now that’s legit asf.

Wow Devilster uses it way more than me, I only have the right bind and only use it for electric and kbd. That’s crazy

Using what ?

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I’m not saying every keyboard player does it. I’m just saying that they can. Instead of playing as if they’re playing piano they can double bind and make kbd, wavu, ewgf etc easier.

https://youtu.be/xrvvBbuBYc8?si=Eq7hFBOH5K8m-q4f
Now that’s legit asf.

Wow Devilster uses it way more than me, I only have the right bind and only use it for electric and kbd. That’s crazy

He is NOT using double inputs he uses right hand for movement instead of wsad and left hand for attack buttons

[[SEAF] Cheez3™]

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No cause i play on keyboard and would not lower myself to bind double inputs. Then again i can do dash, backdash, ss and wavu cancel ewgf or solid punish ewgf so playing like this would actually be uncomfortable instead of helping

I’m not saying every keyboard player does it. I’m just saying that they can. Instead of playing as if they’re playing piano they can double bind and make kbd, wavu, ewgf etc easier.

https://youtu.be/xrvvBbuBYc8?si=Eq7hFBOH5K8m-q4f
Now that’s legit asf.

keyboard players are so unfair compared to controller players, other games have input device restrictions, having to play with keyboard / hitbox players is annoying

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

If I saw it and felt it repeatedly inhuman, i'd report it ..

Granted the game "kind of" does that with easy mode, but really its better to just practice since the future of E-sports may favor fair competitive vs the feigning disabled easy mode.

I mean even the disabled use basic inputs when going into professional play, but eventually online competitions may become the norm due to ease and locale and with that devs may make their games work in specific ways that enable fair across devices as they will go into glove models and touch pads as things become cheaper.

With practicing you will build the muscles to pull EWGF it off more and more consistent.

If fatigued you can turn on easy mode using the in game shortcuts and or take a break, but there is a reason the built in game macro gives less damage.

so yes it would be report-able and look sus depending the rank and whatnot.

[kujomon]

Oh I see, I only watched the beginning on my phone briefly

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Wow Devilster uses it way more than me, I only have the right bind and only use it for electric and kbd. That’s crazy

He is NOT using double inputs he uses right hand for movement instead of wsad and left hand for attack buttons

[C1REX]

The cool thing about keyboard is that you can so easily swap movement buttons to the right.

You need to pay a small fortune for a custom controller with such layout.

[C1REX]

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I’m pretty sure keyboard itself is against namco’s rules as by namco’s default settings it has directions under wsad and arrows at the same time.

You could do this in tekken 7 now it is impossible

Not sure if it's like that for everybody but for me both WSAD and arrows work for directions at the same time by default. Just came back to my PC and tested it.

[kujomon]

I'm just going back to keyboard and using the in game button mapping. i play better on it anyways i feel, and my keyboard is a wooting so it feels nice af after using the snackbox for so long

[Psycho Dad]

Its not a macro and its certainly not bannable, no matter what the controller police in here says. You may or may not be allowed to use this setup in a tournament, though.
TWT rules dont prohibit it explicitly, ppl in here are quoting Capcom/Street Fighter rules.
Make of that what you want.

I play on a custom hitbox with a dual set of directional inputs (think a cross-up with buttons only) and I'm not asking for permition or validation.


From the TWT rules:

Bandai Namco Entertainment America Inc.
Official Rules Tekken World Tour 2024
Effective Date: March 15, 2024

Controller Usage. A Player may not program functions on a controller using methods outside the basic functions of the Game, including, but not limited to, programmable and turbo controllers. The following are sequences are prohibited:
A single input that results in the execution of multiple subsequent inputs.

Combination inputs except for those that can be applied within the game’s controller settings.

A single button input which results in a directional movement input and an attack input.

[Tshask]

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To say it another way-

You CANNOT map a direction to a face button and still continue to use another method for normal movement.

Herp Derp.

Wait, isn't it what the hitbox crossup basically does?

[Realigo Actual]

Strays into cheating territory unless your only right input is that button next to your punch.