Will I get banned? Steam Button Mapping

[kujomon]

I use steam controller mapping to bind left stick right to the button next to my right punch on my leverless snackbox micro. This makes KBD and PEWGF alot easier for me because I can click right and then just down+2+right again but with my right hand for 2+right input. Think this is bannable or considered cheating/macroing?


FINAL NOTE TO "ANSWER" THE THREAD BELOW (TRIGGER WARNING!!!):

If it works in the in game Tekken button mapping it is fair game. It works for keyboard but not controllers.
Having left stick right on another button did not work for my snackbox micro without using the steam button mapping because it recognized the input as a controller and not KBM.
You will probably NOT get banned for button mapping your controller with the steam settings like I did but, you most likely won't be able to play locals with those settings, actually almost 100% positive you won't be able to.

However if I could go on a little(long) rant...
I'm pretty certain this button mapping that kbm players have access to would be extremely useful on any console controller or fightstick as well... as moving a joystick is a lot less precise and quick than rolling your fingers on asd or double tapping "d" for forward. I could see another left stick forward bind coming in handy on stick or pad for sure and wouldn't complain if controller players in lower ranks than me can now space better with KBD, hit electrics more consistently, or double tap forward with two binds for f... It's like they will eventually get to that point by putting 2000 hours in Tekken but is there really any fun or point to go through all of that besides the fact that older tekken veterans were forced to learn the hard and "legit:" way?
But hey, thats just me.. I was called a cheater by multiple people for even asking this question, just for us to find out it works on keyboard in game (which is pretty much just a better snackbox micro with 10x more buttons!!!) HAHA!


Is this intentional by the develepors? Don't ask me... But IN MY OPINION, if it works for keyboard and mouse warriors such as myself, why not use it on other devices? I saw this exact same thing happen with Apex Legends where every PC controller player used steam input mapping to bind multiple shortcuts that us keyboard players had access too such as scroll wheel to jump and much more, the tech that came from it was just not possible without it which is how I got the idea in the first place. No one really complained(at least I didn't) because it just made the fun "technical" things a little more consistent for the controller players like wall jumping and air strafing that I was doing every single time because of my input device choice. I could say the same about fortnite when they gave scroll wheel reset to controller players and double edit binds.
EVEN ON ROCKET LEAGUE everyone and their mother uses multiple of the same binds with the in game settings to do insane mechanics such as tornado spin with air roll right/left on another bind which frees up your air mobility to new extremes. Actually in Rocket league the in game bind is pretty much a macro, its air roll and a directional input, equal to having a directional input and a face button in Tekken.

TLDR:
Dorya!

[Ghoster]

Publicado originalmente por kujomon:

I use steam controller mapping to bind left stick right to the button next to my right punch on my leverless snackbox micro. This makes KBD and PEWGF alot easier for me because I can click right and then just down+2+right again but with my right hand for 2+right input. Think this is bannable or considered cheating/macroing?

no, but the way you make a huge deal about it makes me want to report you and get banned. It's like you are asking for it.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Psycho Dad:

Its not a macro and its certainly not bannable, no matter what the controller police in here says. You may or may not be allowed to use this setup in a tournament, though.
TWT rules dont prohibit it explicitly, ppl in here are quoting Capcom/Street Fighter rules.
Make of that what you want.

I play on a custom hitbox with a dual set of directional inputs (think a cross-up with buttons only) and I'm not asking for permition or validation.


From the TWT rules:

Bandai Namco Entertainment America Inc.
Official Rules Tekken World Tour 2024
Effective Date: March 15, 2024

Controller Usage. A Player may not program functions on a controller using methods outside the basic functions of the Game, including, but not limited to, programmable and turbo controllers. The following are sequences are prohibited:
A single input that results in the execution of multiple subsequent inputs.

Combination inputs except for those that can be applied within the game’s controller settings.

A single button input which results in a directional movement input and an attack input.

The TWT rules are not EULA.. and yes it is a macro..

In computer programming, a macro is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input should be mapped to a replacement output.

up down left right 1 2 3 4 are not marcos

up+1 is .

df+2 is

1+2 isn't .

Setting 3+4 on a touchpad isn't a macro that would be heat

setting df+1+2 isn't that would be rage button.

the only allowed macros are stipulates by how the game uses code differently to lower the damage output.

Voiding that would be a macro.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

The actual configuration options in-game do not allow what OP was doing.

So....

what does the EULA have to do with what the devs did not allow in the menus or in the tournament settings within their game?

I told this OP early that it probably wont work- they started throwing insults back and forth at others and when they finally tested it in fact did not work the way OP thought.

Why bring up EULA?

I brought up CPT because they have specific rules including things like OP was questioning.

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

Publicado originalmente por Psycho Dad:

Its not a macro and its certainly not bannable, no matter what the controller police in here says. You may or may not be allowed to use this setup in a tournament, though.
TWT rules dont prohibit it explicitly, ppl in here are quoting Capcom/Street Fighter rules.
Make of that what you want.

I play on a custom hitbox with a dual set of directional inputs (think a cross-up with buttons only) and I'm not asking for permition or validation.


From the TWT rules:

The TWT rules are not EULA..

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por SEATEK The_LEFTY:

The actual configuration options in-game do not allow what OP was doing.

So....

what does the EULA have to do with what the devs did not allow in the menus or in the tournament settings within their game?

I told this OP early that it probably wont work- they started throwing insults back and forth at others and when they finally tested it in fact did not work the way OP thought.

Why bring up EULA?

I brought up CPT because they have specific rules including things like OP was questioning.

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

The TWT rules are not EULA..

The OP was not doing it for professional reasons, least I believe that was stated by them.

Publicado originalmente por kujomon:

Publicado originalmente por SEATEK The_LEFTY:

Most tournaments do not allow you to bind multiple movement commands or one command to multiple buttons.

Look it up.

Ok thanks but if Im just playing ranked for fun is it that serious?

Also they would find out eventually if they did as the device would be tested prior.

I'm sure there are special tourneys where rules are more relaxed and allow handicapped inputs and devices. Least I'd hope so.

But they were asking if they would be banned, not disqualified.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por kujomon:

I use steam controller mapping to bind left stick right to the button next to my right punch on my leverless snackbox micro. This makes KBD and PEWGF alot easier for me because I can click right and then just down+2+right again but with my right hand for 2+right input. Think this is bannable or considered cheating/macroing?

If you don't abuse power its balanced .
if you abuse power its an exploit .

It is better to learn from inner power and balance.

If you abuse anything it can be reported on and would eventually flag enough to receive investigation.

[Looch Sinksman]

Publicado originalmente por SEATEK The_LEFTY:

Most tournaments do not allow you to bind multiple movement commands or one command to multiple buttons.

Look it up.

i'm laughing at how worked up you get here. chill out lil bro

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por An Aging Jewish Man:

Publicado originalmente por SEATEK The_LEFTY:

Most tournaments do not allow you to bind multiple movement commands or one command to multiple buttons.

Look it up.

i'm laughing at how worked up you get here. chill out lil bro

?
I don't think he said anything wrong it was
straight and to the point..

[Psycho Dad]

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

The TWT rules are not EULA.. and yes it is a macro..

a duplicate movement button is not a macro and its not a violation of the eula.
its just a single input button. if he would get f+2 with a single button press, that would be a macro, but thats not the case here.

[kaizokun]

What's the point of having an easy mode execution with Mishimas ? I have a not that bad exe with my d-pad, it took me time but it's there, and it's something I can fell proud of.
Of course mixbox exe is easier, so ...

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Psycho Dad:

Publicado originalmente por Sown-Laughter:

The TWT rules are not EULA.. and yes it is a macro..

a duplicate movement button is not a macro and its not a violation of the eula.
its just a single input button. if he would get f+2 with a single button press, that would be a macro, but thats not the case here.

If its bypassing the damage limiter that the in-game macro offers it would be cheating via unintended bypassed step.

The point is to have "f*df+2" if hes doing df*2 after flicking the jstick for forward, hes still short-cutting the process which rewards the action, but not the damage in the shortcut mode.

More or less a participation reward.

The point of the difficulty of is to do it in one motion; on*off on+ON, which combines coordination timing and skill for reward.

Even if its not a macro its a handicapped option.

Feels more like philosophical debate more than a yes or no but the motions are intended to be a "skilled move"

Adding a rocket to your fist to strike the chin is the rocket not the fist.

now if you dont have a fist you might argue the use of the rocket to participate..

But its still an extra application unintended much like having a second down key next to a 2.

[Psycho Dad]

You can press f+2 with the same hand (when you're on left side) very easily on a standard hitbox layout, too.
idk what whack definitions of what a "macro" is you're cooking up here, but regarding fighting games, having a button that just gives you a single input, is not a macro.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Psycho Dad:

You can press f+2 with the same hand (when you're on left side) very easily on a standard hitbox layout, too.
idk what whack definitions of what a "macro" is you're cooking up here, but regarding fighting games, having a button that just gives you a single input, is not a macro.

having a secondary down key would be cheating you would also risk being 1-2 frames of a down key press 2x.

Outside of a turbo button it would be seen as inhuman to have d,d in one frame a piece

[JOESEPH MY BELOVED]

It is not considered cheating by the ToS and it wont get you banned, its a function in the game to be able to bind inputs to multiple buttons/keys.

People may colloquially consider it "Cheating", which is another debate entirely.

At the end of the day you are just using the tools the game gave you, much like people who play druganov who some would consider "cheating" lol, much like people who block anyone they lose to and get the highest rank by versing only low ranked players.....

Dont worry you're fine.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Publicado originalmente por Fate is the #1 Anime:

It is not considered cheating by the ToS and it wont get you banned, its a function in the game to be able to bind inputs to multiple buttons/keys.

People may colloquially consider it "Cheating", which is another debate entirely.

At the end of the day you are just using the tools the game gave you, much like people who play druganov who some would consider "cheating" lol, much like people who block anyone they lose to and get the highest rank by versing only low ranked players.....

Dont worry you're fine.

I did not know you can set up two of the same directional keys?

I am pretty sure the Dpad default u d l r and L3 default joystick u d l r are the only exception. If "the game" offers both Number pad arrows and wasd then I can't see where that would be cheating.

But it would be a pita to use that way.. unless you could just remap the number pad or arrows or wasd to a button on a device, which would be a macro, and potentially cause lag due to the drivers switching between devices.

then it would be a macro, and cause artificial latency tampering.

also id not be surprised if they could distinguish remapping routes like what key was activating what direction, I mean even consoles now use keyboard input options for the disabled.

[Arren]

Any arguments about cheating are irrelevant because Namco doesn't use anti-cheat software, so they don't care. You won't get banned. There's no issue with using the steam controller mapping with your snackbox.

Alternatively, you could get a leverless that uses the raspberry pi pico and connect it as a keyboard input device and then just assign Left Stick Right the same way you would on a keyboard.

Dorya these scrubs.