How the hell people can break correct throws on reaction?

[C1REX]

How the hell people can do it?
How it’s humanly possible?
Who on this forum have 25/25 in throw breaking stats?

So I’ve tried PhiDX’s throw breaking guide where he makes it look so simple but I can’t do it. I barely see the difference in hand animation even in practice mode on a 4K 50inch screen. I see 1 throw animation and not distinct three.

https://youtu.be/BDUUbuzuelA?si=SqPR1AyLwzV64OSA

I’ve heard about people reacting to hand animations even in Tekken 3 times but I’ve always rolled my eyes and thought it’s a myth and nobody can actually do it.

But obviously some people can do it and I even played against such people with close to 100% throw break. I play Alisa with the easiest throw break in the game due to unique 1+2 throw animation but still.

I’ve seen people discussing the subject on reddit and somebody shared this throw breaking training app:
https://throwbreak420.web.app/

Still, I can’t do it. Even when I set the training to run at 50% speed.

It’s also a bit frustrating when players who can’t do it themselves try to advise me or even patronising me.

So who have 23-25 in throw breaking stats and how the hell can you guys do it? It’s like witchcraft to me.

[StRyK]

Not many people can do that. Most people just guess.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

It is possible. Practice.

[Necropants]

It's definitely possible, but it's also not easy, and I am pretty sure not everyone can do it. I tend to make an educated guess more often than not. Because you usually can tell what throw is coming by the situation and most people go for 1+2 in this game.

[North Korean Backdash]

I have 90+ defense (or around that, I play a few chars and it fluctuates a lot) and 25/25 throw breaking on both PC and PS5, yet I'm still a **** player. You just don't get scrubbed out by throw spammers that much, unless it lands on CH, I guess. Still, I'd trade that for better reads and being less scared and cleaner on the offense because spending time learning to defend in this game is pretty pointless:P

It's not rocket science, you learn to recognise the entire silhouette of a char, not necessarily only the hands, so that you see it without having to look for it specifically and you break accordingly. It does require some practice but it's not something insurmountable and the reason why most people can't do it is because they haven't practiced enough or they have some visual impairment that prevents them from seeing the throws correctly, which is obviously completely undestandable.

Getting to a point when you consistently recognise and break 1,2 and 1+2 throws won't happen overnight but it will get a lot better. Still, you won't always break every throw, myself, I sometimes fumble my 1+2 breaks on stick and get thrown because my finger slipped and I got a plink or whatever.

The PhidX drill is actually pretty good for that, I think I did something similar for a while when I started.

[Pasta]

Practice

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

I've been using PhiDX' guide. And I've been adding practice sessions to my regular ranking session... quite inconsistently...
But I've already noticed an improvement.

And what he says is true
Don't press wrong... rather press late.

Because recently I've realized that ive been breaking throws more consistently. It's not perfect... but it's steadily improving.

Here is my tip...
Condition yourself to NOT break throws first.
You have to get rid of the mashing reaction first before acting correctly on reaction. That's what helped me.
So... if I had to make a plan it'd look something like this
1) don't break throws (don't press when thrown)
2) learn to recognize the animation without pressing
3) optional: say the break out loud
4) start pressing the right buttons even when too late. Rather right and late.
And 5 happens automatically with practice.
I currently break about 80% or throws... and about 90% against Victor, dragunov and azucena because their throwing timing is rather predictable.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by North Korean Backdash:

25/25 throw breaking on both PC and PS5

It's not rocket science, you learn to recognise the entire silhouette of a char, not necessarily only the hands, so that you see it without having to look for it specifically and you break accordingly

Respect and thank you.
You are another person with 25/25 throw break stat who gives me the same advice to look at the whole body and not just hands.

However, I may have some hidden visual impairment, deep lack of talent or other limitations as I can't react to such small visual differences with correct button press in like 20frames time. I have a separate button for 1+2 throw break so that's not an issue. I'm the issue, haha.

[processor.dev1l]

Here's the deal, nobody can do the correct break by default, you really need to practice it until it becomes the second nature.

Go to practice mode and set Jin as your training partner.


Set his actions as the Shun Ren Dan and Complicated wire throws (2 and 1 break). Set mode to slow.

Keep practicing until you can always break these throws, then add the Tidal wave throw (1+2 break)

Keep practicing until you can break these without a fail.

Now comes the hard part.

Add following actions: hellsweep, cd#1, cd#2, d2
Change the mode from slow to shuffle.

[North Korean Backdash]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by North Korean Backdash:

25/25 throw breaking on both PC and PS5

It's not rocket science, you learn to recognise the entire silhouette of a char, not necessarily only the hands, so that you see it without having to look for it specifically and you break accordingly

Respect and thank you.
You are another person with 25/25 throw break stat who gives me the same advice to look at the whole body and not just hands.

However, I may have some hidden visual impairment, deep lack of talent or other limitations as I can't react to such small visual differences with correct button press in like 20frames time. I have a separate button for 1+2 throw break so that's not an issue. I'm the issue, haha.

You most likely don't, it just takes time and if you've been at it for like a week or something, that's too short for your muscle memory to kick in. Start with just observing the silhoutte of the opponent doing different throws, you're bound to spot significant differences.

Don't overdo it and don't practice drills for hours, it's not needed and might actually work against you. Consistent 10 minutes is all it takes.


Don't rush the breaks, you'll be surprised how lenient the break window is once you get better. Pressing the correct break too late is better than pressing an incorrect one quickly
and the reason you add stuff like jab strings and random unreactable (or some reactable if you want to practice that as well) lows on shuffle to the mix is because you have to make sure you're reacting to actual throws and not random movement from the opponent.

The reason I've said it's better to look at the entire silhouette is because it's supposed to be an automated reaction and having a big visual cue in the form of the entire body is way more natural than focusing on the hands, especially during matches. That's something you might want to study for a bit initially but will gradually stop doing.

What happens with the oppoent's body during different throws is distinct enough that once you have that imprinted in your mind, you'll break before your mind ever realises you're being thrown.

[Castyles]

Cheaters are also a thing, you know.

[LonesomeSparrow]

Well, it's a lot easier to do in training mode compared to an actual fight where you also have to defend against all the other unga bunga people throw at you. not to mention the connection issues in some fights.
I certainly can't do it. The throw break stat is by far my worse stat and the sole reason why my defense is so low (65-ish)

[Tshask]

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Go to practice mode and set Jin as your training partner.

Why Jin?

[Pasta]

Originally posted by Tshask:

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Go to practice mode and set Jin as your training partner.

Why Jin?

You can pick anyone who has a complete throw game. Jin happens to be the closest in the character selection menu.

[C1REX]

If somebody wants to start from an easy mode then I recommend to practice on Alisa.
She has probably the easiest throws to break due to very unique 1+2 throw animation when she removes her head.

[Zagryzaec]

It's actually natural and comes with practice. Unfortunately goes away without practice.

You just need to play long enough.

Also if you can't see the hands that is normal, look at the top part of the body itself.

It's hard to differ 2 animation from 1+2 animation because during 2 animation both he ands kinda moves, but the corpus movement is very distinct - it extends for 1 break, twist for 2 break and goes straight on 1+2.

Doesn't do too much for me though, because I often cannot hit 1+2 close enough so it didn't count wrong throw before.

Al's there are many situations where you want to use specific breaks even if you will be wrong. Gor example to avoid death cradle, or vs raven that has command 1 throw never break with 2. And on some arenas just prevent opponents from using combo starting throws.