Let's Talk: A brief look at the Tekken 8 metagame May 2024 edition

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Ok, so we're back at stealing content, this time for after the patch.

Ok, let's get started and see what bs has the patch done. Let's do characters first.

- Character Playrate At All Ranks:

- - Most Played 5:
1. Jin
2. King
3. Reina
4. Kazuya
5. Hwoarang

- - Least Played 5:
1. Panda
2. Shaheen
3. Kuma
4. Zafina
5. Claudio

- Character Playrates At Fujin+

- - Most Played 5:
1. Jin
2. Hwoarang
3. King
4. Dragunov
5. Yoshimitsu

- - Least Played 5:
1. Panda
2. Shaheen
3. Kuma
4. Leo
5. Clauido

Anubis Note: Well, looks Dragunov is still holding, despite the claims of Dragunov mains that he was taken behind the barn and shot in the back with a nuke.

- Character Winrates At All Ranks:

- - Highest 5 Winrates:
1. Panda
2. Kuma
3. Zafina
4. Eddy
5. Jack

- - Lowest 5 Winrates:
1. Reina
2. Azucena
3. Kazuya
4. Jun
5. Steve

- Character Winrates At Fujin+

- - Highest 5 Winrates:
1. Panda
2. Zafina
3. Lili
4. Leroy
5. Jack

- - Lowest 5 Winrates:
1. Leo (question mark?)
2. Kazuya
3. Xiaoyu
4. Hwoarang
5. Lee

- Rank Distribution:

| Rank | Value |
|-----------------------|-------------|
| Beginner | 0.0 |
| 1st Dan | 3.2300 |
| 2nd Dan | 4.1774 |
| Fighter | 5.1320 |
| Strategist | 6.4832 |
| Combatant | 7.7584 |
| Brawler | 9.0104 |
| Ranger | 10.7541 |
| Cavalry | 11.9806 |
| Warrior | 13.8738 |
| Assailant | 17.0942 |
| Dominator | 19.9557 |
| Vanquisher | 23.1225 |
| Destroyer | 27.7684 |
| Eliminator | 32.1114 |
| Garyu | 36.5558 |
| Shinryu | 47.1165 |
| Tenryu | 53.6173 |
| Mighty Ruler | 59.8695 |
| Flame Ruler | 68.2707 |
| Battle Ruler | 74.1151 |
| Fujin | 79.6741 |
| Raijin | 87.1838 |
| Kishin | 91.0071 |
| Bushin | 93.8853 |
| Tekken King | 96.1391 |
| Tekken Emperor | 98.0779 |
| Tekken God | 98.8854 |
| Tekken God Supreme | 99.4083 |
| God of Destruction | 99.6921 |

Steam makes arranging that stupidly hard, so w/e.....

I went to take a quick look at last month's Rank Distribution for the hell of it, and Fujin almost doubled, same for Tekken King. Fujin went from 12% 21.4% and Tekken King went from 2.03% to almost 4%. So yea, inflation is definitely on the rise a bit faster than expected.

Finally, one fun fact from the main thread:

"Lili's worst stage is " Elegant Palace". It's the only stage where she has a win rate less than 50%. Is this due to chance or can she simply not tolerate being in a mansion that is not her own?"

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1cpn4ae/a_brief_look_at_the_tekken_8_metagame_may_2024/

From here on out, you know the deal, discuss.

[Zagryzaec]

If Dragunov wasn't shot why he is not in top five winrate while bieng top five in popularity but only amoung the smart fundamental players?

People don't play him because he is easy to win. They play him because he is cool and interesting.

[kiteless 凧無し]

what are those rank distribution figures, they make no sense

[Boss]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

what are those rank distribution figures, they make no sense

I assume they're percentile, which essentially means you gotta read it inverse. 99th percentile means top 1%, so TGS being 99.4 means only 0.6% of players reached that

[NcSmile]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

If Dragunov wasn't shot why he is not in top five winrate while bieng top five in popularity but only amoung the smart fundamental players?

People don't play him because he is easy to win. They play him because he is cool and interesting.

The fact that he is one of the most played charcters but not in the lowest win rates means that he is still SO FKN broken than even super casuals cannot fail with him

[NcSmile]

Originally posted by C.C. スパークル:

Ok, so we're back at stealing content, this time for after the patch.

Ok, let's get started and see what bs has the patch done. Let's do characters first.

- Character Playrate At All Ranks:

- - Most Played 5:
1. Jin
2. King
3. Reina
4. Kazuya
5. Hwoarang

- - Least Played 5:
1. Panda
2. Shaheen
3. Kuma
4. Zafina
5. Claudio

- Character Playrates At Fujin+

- - Most Played 5:
1. Jin
2. Hwoarang
3. King
4. Dragunov
5. Yoshimitsu

- - Least Played 5:
1. Panda
2. Shaheen
3. Kuma
4. Leo
5. Clauido

Anubis Note: Well, looks Dragunov is still holding, despite the claims of Dragunov mains that he was taken behind the barn and shot in the back with a nuke.

- Character Winrates At All Ranks:

- - Highest 5 Winrates:
1. Panda
2. Kuma
3. Zafina
4. Eddy
5. Jack

- - Lowest 5 Winrates:
1. Reina
2. Azucena
3. Kazuya
4. Jun
5. Steve

- Character Winrates At Fujin+

- - Highest 5 Winrates:
1. Panda
2. Zafina
3. Lili
4. Leroy
5. Jack

- - Lowest 5 Winrates:
1. Leo (question mark?)
2. Kazuya
3. Xiaoyu
4. Hwoarang
5. Lee

- Rank Distribution:

| Rank | Value |
|-----------------------|-------------|
| Beginner | 0.0 |
| 1st Dan | 3.2300 |
| 2nd Dan | 4.1774 |
| Fighter | 5.1320 |
| Strategist | 6.4832 |
| Combatant | 7.7584 |
| Brawler | 9.0104 |
| Ranger | 10.7541 |
| Cavalry | 11.9806 |
| Warrior | 13.8738 |
| Assailant | 17.0942 |
| Dominator | 19.9557 |
| Vanquisher | 23.1225 |
| Destroyer | 27.7684 |
| Eliminator | 32.1114 |
| Garyu | 36.5558 |
| Shinryu | 47.1165 |
| Tenryu | 53.6173 |
| Mighty Ruler | 59.8695 |
| Flame Ruler | 68.2707 |
| Battle Ruler | 74.1151 |
| Fujin | 79.6741 |
| Raijin | 87.1838 |
| Kishin | 91.0071 |
| Bushin | 93.8853 |
| Tekken King | 96.1391 |
| Tekken Emperor | 98.0779 |
| Tekken God | 98.8854 |
| Tekken God Supreme | 99.4083 |
| God of Destruction | 99.6921 |

Steam makes arranging that stupidly hard, so w/e.....

I went to take a quick look at last month's Rank Distribution for the hell of it, and Fujin almost doubled, same for Tekken King. Fujin went from 12% 21.4% and Tekken King went from 2.03% to almost 4%. So yea, inflation is definitely on the rise a bit faster than expected.

Finally, one fun fact from the main thread:

"Lili's worst stage is " Elegant Palace". It's the only stage where she has a win rate less than 50%. Is this due to chance or can she simply not tolerate being in a mansion that is not her own?"

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1cpn4ae/a_brief_look_at_the_tekken_8_metagame_may_2024/

From here on out, you know the deal, discuss.

So shinryu / tenryu is that true "average"in t8 then?

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Yoshimitsu I kind of sort of expected that. The character can use spinning evade and flash on almost anything that mounts offense. Also, super frustrating character to deal with. I know people don't like Alisa's chainsaws but Yoshimitsu's DGF is equally annoying. Yoshimitsu's heat-smash guarantees a wall combo, especially if he uses spinning evade nearby wall, and the amount of gimmicks he has is off the charts. At least when I play against Alisa players, it feels like they are always the same player. Same with King.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by NcSmile:

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

If Dragunov wasn't shot why he is not in top five winrate while bieng top five in popularity but only amoung the smart fundamental players?

People don't play him because he is easy to win. They play him because he is cool and interesting.

The fact that he is one of the most played charcters but not in the lowest win rates means that he is still SO FKN broken than even super casuals cannot fail with him

Why? At best he should be average winrate, but people who used to always play with handicap make the difference.

Super casuals play against other super casuals and Alisa Feng Kuma Lars and most others still have higher winrate.

[Iridius]

Jun's bottom five win rate is really bizarre.

[Omnislash]

Well the rank change made it so that people that focus only on one character don't have to play against player that are using several char and have highter prowess, or simply that are on a sub.
So basically, if you're playing only one main, you have an easy ladder where every hight rank player / people that have good matchup knowledge playing several character are excluded.

So ofc, the rank would inflate.

[C1REX]

Panda having higher winrate than Kuma should be a good enough proof that this stat doesn’t mean anything. Or at least not how strong a character is.

[Prismatic Lollipop]

the only thing worse after the patch are the rise of cheaters again.
we are reaching tekken 7 levels of botting.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

CH bots are also a thing.

Seeing more and more of that. And this isn't just "mashing into minus" This is near-frame-perfect move choices. Moves you won't see from a player after multiple matches unless it beats your own option or move by even just 1f.

Keep an eye out for it.

[willy bammy]

Originally posted by NcSmile:

So shinryu / tenryu is that true "average"in t8 then?

was it really necessary to quote the entire original post man I'm lazy I don't wanna scroll so far

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Omnislash:

Well the rank change made it so that people that focus only on one character don't have to play against player that are using several char and have highter prowess, or simply that are on a sub.
So basically, if you're playing only one main, you have an easy ladder where every hight rank player / people that have good matchup knowledge playing several character are excluded.

So ofc, the rank would inflate.

What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are you talking about? Playing vs character specialists is easier than against jacks of all trades? Playing vs guy who got all his prowess by one char mastery is easier than against those who got their prowess free just because they entered fight with diff chars?

Why you think backward?

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Panda having higher winrate than Kuma should be a good enough proof that this stat doesn’t mean anything. Or at least not how strong a character is.

It is how factually strong it is in given conditions. No one knows how to play against bears and you NEED to lab them, they appear rare, of course you will get victories for free.