Zafina Is Still bad

[Nihil]

So yeah, if anyone knows anything about her, she still just loses. She's "knowledge check" the character. If anyone labs against her once, it's over. She just has nothing USEFUL that is plus on block.

One block is all it takes to get a free combo on her compared to everyone else who has plenty more moves that are safe on block. Even the D/F 1 in Tarantula is barely now usable compared to being useless beforehand unless you knew it was gonna hit.

Please, fix her. She is probably the WORST character in the game by far. Why play her if you can play any of the other multi-stance characters, especially with Eddy being out now.

Her whole gimmick is knowledge checks, whiff punishes, and crappy 50/50's. They wanted to increase her pressure, congrats, she got a tiny bit of it now. Which is all she ever had, since she couldn't pressure before at all if someone knew her moves at all. And her pressure runs out immediately since she has NOTHING to continue it. While other characters can easily spam these fast moves/combos that are completely safe except vs specific characters.

[Necropants]

Shes not as good as she should be but shes also not as bad as people make her out to be. I don't think there are actually any bad characters in this game, anyone can win.

[Castyles]

Aggression is the name of the game and all the characters have the necessary pressure tools, even if they're weak when compared to others.

Play against the strongest Zafina ghost on Super Ghost Battle and you might learn a thing or two.

I just realized there ain't any Eddy bots to fight against, btw. Wack.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Necropants:

Shes not as good as she should be but shes also not as bad as people make her out to be. I don't think there are actually any bad characters in this game, anyone can win.

Not when its equal skill of the two players, then she loses, I've seen it many times. She is legitimately bad. The Zafina pro mains from last game all say she is absolutely gutted, and the only reason they win is because it's their job/career to sit there and lab her out against everyone. And even they have issues.

The lack of good frames, damage, and the removed moves from T7 just made her horrible. I can definitely say she is the worst character when everyone who mains her that is a pro is saying the same thing.

The fact I have to do a crazy amount of almost perfect inputs to get an 86 damage combo off while ALSO damaging myself, is crazy. While a paul or bryan can get the same damage with a 5 hit easy combo, and a bunch more if it carries to the corner, which btw, she barely gets damage on when doing a wall combo. She needs buffs almost across the board, especially with her Heat mode (since NOT taking damage when using moves is NOT good enough to me as a "mechanic" that her heat mode gives) and stance speed. Going into her stances and the moves in them should just be better.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Aggression is the name of the game and all the characters have the necessary pressure tools, even if they're weak when compared to others.

Play against the strongest Zafina ghost on Super Ghost Battle and you might learn a thing or two.

I just realized there ain't any Eddy bots to fight against, btw. Wack.

I learned more than a thing or two being right before the ruler ranks. That's where I'm stuck because she has ZERO pressure tools. She can't be aggressive because her moves don't allow her. While other characters can just constantly poke and pressure with moves that lead into combos, Zafina sits there with jabs, D/F 1's that don't do anything on counter hit besides create space that you can't abuse, and D/F 4's that CAN lead into a heat rush that... Oh wait, she can't do much about since her frames are horrible across the board, so they can just block or reaction block the few lows she has worth using.

[Diviy]

Good. One more bs char out of the way

[Zagryzaec]

Why would she need plus frames when she instead avoid 90% of attacks? And If you want to play through character that get his turn from frames you play through evasion and armored launcher from stanse s?

Also her fff3 is +7 on block high crush homing. Her tools are literally better than Dragunov has or had (wr2 no range, +6 now be +4, no crushing no tracking)

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Diviy:

Good. One more bs char out of the way

Dude, she's been bad since launch, she barely got a decent buff, but it's still not enough. She isn't out of the way, she's sitting at the bottom and has been since t8 launched.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Why would she need plus frames when she instead avoid 90% of attacks? And If you want to play through character that get his turn from frames you play through evasion and armored launcher from stanse s?

Also her fff3 is +7 on block high crush homing. Her tools are literally better than Dragunov has or had (wr2 no range, +6 now be +4, no crushing no tracking)

Because she doesn't avoid 90% of attacks? Her stances are slower, and plenty of moves hit me while doing moves IN the stances, that give her horrible hit boxes while doing them.

Also what? Her fff3 is safe on block, but puts her so far away she can't take advantage of it unless they're against a wall.

[Zagryzaec]

+7 is NOT safe on block. It's a massive advantage WITH pushback. It crushes low, it track anything, it eventually PUT you in the wall.

She has a lot of moves putting her in the stance and forcing opponent to guess wether she armor through anything and launch or sweep you. Even her snake edge able to hit high level players due to how hard her animations are.

She is very good and I have a tons of problem against her, while I don't have as much against other chars. Maybe you just don't like her play style.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

+7 is NOT safe on block. It's a massive advantage WITH pushback. It crushes low, it track anything, it eventually PUT you in the wall.

She has a lot of moves putting her in the stance and forcing opponent to guess wether she armor through anything and launch or sweep you. Even her snake edge able to hit high level players due to how hard her animations are.

She is very good and I have a tons of problem against her, while I don't have as much against other chars. Maybe you just don't like her play style.

You must not be at a rank where people know how to combat her every move when they are blocked. And you can't armor through anything. Jump attacks and lows go through armor, so in half of the stances you can just do a hop kick and win, or at least stop her from being able to do anything after.

You don't get it. She's the weakest because she has to work 5x as hard for half the reward of other characters, and her moves have been heavily nerfed or even removed from t7. She is a shell of her former self, and is the worst character in the game. The other hard to master characters give you so much more.

I like her enough to complain that I want her to be better. I main her. I know she's bad. She loses in trades constantly due to her horrible moveset and lackluster combos/damage.

She is even LESS used than Shaheen according to the last character usage stat release, she only beats out the Panda in terms of usage, because everyone know she is an uphill battle, all the time. There is a reason I am complaining, I like using her, I just know she's trash compared to the rest of the cast.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Nihil:

She is even LESS used than Shaheen according to the last character usage stat release,

Being less popular is an advantage.
Also Shaheen is super strong so there is that.
Maybe she is weak but not unplayable. Many players manage to reach max rank or compete against the best players in big tournaments. I personally struggle against her in my ranks.
She also received the first of probably many buffs packages. Patch 1.05 is coming soon.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Nihil:

She is even LESS used than Shaheen according to the last character usage stat release,

Being less popular is an advantage.
Also Shaheen is super strong so there is that.
Maybe she is weak but not unplayable. Many players manage to reach max rank or compete against the best players in big tournaments. I personally struggle against her in my ranks.
She also received the first of probably many buffs packages. Patch 1.05 is coming soon.

None of that changes what I said though. She isn't played because she is BAD. I never said she was unplayable, just that she was the worst character, which she is. Simple as that.

[NcSmile]

F+1+2 D+3,D F,F,F+1+2 During Tarantula DF+1 buffs look great though

1,4 on hit also is nice

[JyoKun]

Perhaps she is still bad... but at least she is pretty.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Nihil:

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

+7 is NOT safe on block. It's a massive advantage WITH pushback. It crushes low, it track anything, it eventually PUT you in the wall.

She has a lot of moves putting her in the stance and forcing opponent to guess wether she armor through anything and launch or sweep you. Even her snake edge able to hit high level players due to how hard her animations are.

She is very good and I have a tons of problem against her, while I don't have as much against other chars. Maybe you just don't like her play style.

You must not be at a rank where people know how to combat her every move when they are blocked. And you can't armor through anything. Jump attacks and lows go through armor, so in half of the stances you can just do a hop kick and win, or at least stop her from being able to do anything after.

You don't get it. She's the weakest because she has to work 5x as hard for half the reward of other characters, and her moves have been heavily nerfed or even removed from t7. She is a shell of her former self, and is the worst character in the game. The other hard to master characters give you so much more.

I like her enough to complain that I want her to be better. I main her. I know she's bad. She loses in trades constantly due to her horrible moveset and lackluster combos/damage.

She is even LESS used than Shaheen according to the last character usage stat release, she only beats out the Panda in terms of usage, because everyone know she is an uphill battle, all the time. There is a reason I am complaining, I like using her, I just know she's trash compared to the rest of the cast.

You can armor through ton of stuff and getting a launch move that is armored is a rare occasion. She is very hard to play against and require labbing. That most people won't do because of how unpopular she is.

The reason why you think she is so weak because she carried you too high before you learned the fundamental Tekken, so now instead of learning how to play you want her buffed to keep mashing and winning.

Must be something To do with my character not having a hopkick.

Her low has high speed and massive range, her wr3 is massively plus tracking move that use no brain and hold no risk, her stances destroy any normal way opponent may try to implement. She is strong as hell.

What rank are you?