New Patch Notes 1.04

[progste]

New patch notes posted!

https://www.tekken-official.jp/images/renewal/news/e51b173fb10efb812f33a5ddcbce3c89.png

edit: here is the full page https://www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=82

[kiteless 凧無し]

An alisa player won that Texas tournament at the weekend and there was Chanel coming 3rd at evo japan

She’ll probably get some nerfs. I know kirakira, GoD alisa and Jun player, thinks she’s overpowered

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

An alisa player won that Texas tournament at the weekend and there was Chanel coming 3rd at evo japan

She’ll probably get some nerfs. I know kirakira, GoD alisa and Jun player, thinks she’s overpowered

Ok, that doesn't answer the question, how would you nerf her without straight up ruining her?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by C.C. スパークル:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

An alisa player won that Texas tournament at the weekend and there was Chanel coming 3rd at evo japan

She’ll probably get some nerfs. I know kirakira, GoD alisa and Jun player, thinks she’s overpowered

Ok, that doesn't answer the question, how would you nerf her without straight up ruining her?

No idea

All I know is I’m terrible against her. I don’t really have an opinion myself on whether she’s overpowered or not, I just clearly don’t know the match up, but she’d be in my top 3 characters I hate to play against, but like I said, that doesn’t mean she’s overpowered

I’m just looking at tourney results, they tend to influence the devs

[JyoKun]

Originally posted by StRyK:

Originally posted by 9999xkk99:

Xiaoyu

This patch has changed practically nothing for her) She will still be a nightmare with a hypnotist and actively mix up from the phoenix. This patch didn't change ANYTHING

As a Xiaoyu main.... they killed us. We can't win anymore. It's true, don't believe other comments. Now Xiaoyu is the new Leeroy.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by StRyK:

Originally posted by 9999xkk99:

Xiaoyu

This patch has changed practically nothing for her) She will still be a nightmare with a hypnotist and actively mix up from the phoenix. This patch didn't change ANYTHING

cause she wasn't broken..

[StRyK]

Originally posted by PKMJ:

Originally posted by StRyK:

This patch has changed practically nothing for her) She will still be a nightmare with a hypnotist and actively mix up from the phoenix. This patch didn't change ANYTHING

As a Xiaoyu main.... they killed us. We can't win anymore. It's true, don't believe other comments. Now Xiaoyu is the new Leeroy.

Funny joke)

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by PKMJ:

Originally posted by StRyK:

This patch has changed practically nothing for her) She will still be a nightmare with a hypnotist and actively mix up from the phoenix. This patch didn't change ANYTHING

As a Xiaoyu main.... they killed us. We can't win anymore. It's true, don't believe other comments. Now Xiaoyu is the new Leeroy.

She’s fine

I say this as a Xiaoyu player. Her heat damage was too high. The UB+4 F+2,1,2 at the wall did too much damage. Her UB+4 at the end of her waning moon throw combo was a busted reset that needed toning down. You shouldn’t be able to get that much damage of a throw, it was clearly never intended so I’ve expected this nerf since day 1 of seeing that combo. All her nerfs are pretty much heat related as she becomes insanely strong in heat

But all her tools are practically untouched. Sounds like she got a nice buff on her F+3 as this would sometimes whiff after a D/F+2 in a juggle, so the increase in forward movement and hitbox hopefully means no more whiffs which means consistent better combo damage of her usual combo routes, which if the case is a really nice buff

[NecromancyBlack]

Regarding Alisa, I'd change her powercrushes around so that she can't powercrush into chainsaws or powercrush during chainsaws without being in heat.

[StRyK]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by PKMJ:

As a Xiaoyu main.... they killed us. We can't win anymore. It's true, don't believe other comments. Now Xiaoyu is the new Leeroy.

She’s fine

I say this as a Xiaoyu player. Her heat damage was too high. The UB+4 F+2,1,2 at the wall did too much damage. Her UB+4 on her waning moon throw was a busted reset that needed toning down. You shouldn’t be able to get that much damage of a throw, it was clearly never intended so I’ve expected this nerf since day 1 of seeing that combo

But all her tools are practically untouched. Sounds like she got a nice buff on her F+3 as this would sometimes whiff after a D/F+2 in a juggle, so the increase in forward movement and hitbox hopefully means no more whiffs which means consistent better combo damage of her usual combo routes, which if the case is a really nice buff

Noooo) Everything is bad with her. f2,1,2 - gives +6 and turns into a back stance. She can still give a deadly HS and get a hypnotist after it. The opponent has no right to sit down - this is death, she can give low for free. This is a very deadly mixup that can take away more than half of your health

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by NecromancyBlack:

Regarding Alisa, I'd change her powercrushes around so that she can't powercrush into chainsaws or powercrush during chainsaws without being in heat.

And that achieves what?

b1+2 isn't anywhere close to being a problem unless she's spamming that move, but if she spams the move, why aren't you killing her for it?

That's the fun part about unsafe armor moves, being unsafe solves the only problem armor moves would have, being spammed.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by StRyK:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

She’s fine

I say this as a Xiaoyu player. Her heat damage was too high. The UB+4 F+2,1,2 at the wall did too much damage. Her UB+4 on her waning moon throw was a busted reset that needed toning down. You shouldn’t be able to get that much damage of a throw, it was clearly never intended so I’ve expected this nerf since day 1 of seeing that combo

But all her tools are practically untouched. Sounds like she got a nice buff on her F+3 as this would sometimes whiff after a D/F+2 in a juggle, so the increase in forward movement and hitbox hopefully means no more whiffs which means consistent better combo damage of her usual combo routes, which if the case is a really nice buff

Noooo) Everything is bad with her. f2,1,2 - gives +6 and turns into a back stance. She can still give a deadly HS and get a hypnotist after it. The opponent has no right to sit down - this is death, she can give low for free. This is a very deadly mixup that can take away more than half of your health

You know the last hit on her F+2,1,2 is not a true block string right?

You can side step and punish the last hit, activate heat during it or even jab her out of the last hit

Spamming F+2,1,2 against decent players does not work.

It’s a janky move too, as it’s sometimes goes behind the opponent when you’re hitting them at the wall, although if I’ve read the patch notes correctly they might have fixed this

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by StRyK:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

She’s fine

I say this as a Xiaoyu player. Her heat damage was too high. The UB+4 F+2,1,2 at the wall did too much damage. Her UB+4 on her waning moon throw was a busted reset that needed toning down. You shouldn’t be able to get that much damage of a throw, it was clearly never intended so I’ve expected this nerf since day 1 of seeing that combo

But all her tools are practically untouched. Sounds like she got a nice buff on her F+3 as this would sometimes whiff after a D/F+2 in a juggle, so the increase in forward movement and hitbox hopefully means no more whiffs which means consistent better combo damage of her usual combo routes, which if the case is a really nice buff

Noooo) Everything is bad with her. f2,1,2 - gives +6 and turns into a back stance. She can still give a deadly HS and get a hypnotist after it. The opponent has no right to sit down - this is death, she can give low for free. This is a very deadly mixup that can take away more than half of your health

[StRyK]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

You know the last hit on her F+2,1,2 is not a true block string right?

This is nonsense, because she can do f2,1,4 and you will launch. You can't try to dodge there, it could end badly.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Originally posted by StRyK:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

You know the last hit on her F+2,1,2 is not a true block string right?

This is nonsense, because she can do f2,1,4 and you will launch. You can't try to dodge there, it could end badly.

they just told you what to do to counter it...

[StRyK]

Originally posted by Sown-Laughter:

Originally posted by StRyK:

This is nonsense, because she can do f2,1,4 and you will launch. You can't try to dodge there, it could end badly.

they just told you what to do to counter it...

And I said what I would do if they tried to step aside.