YOUR tier list.

[Castyles]

Curious to see yours. Just forget about all those pRo PlAyErS and EVO wannabes for a moment and trust your own gut and experience in the game. Anyway, here's mine. In no particular order:

-Very strong and very easy BECAUSE THEY'RE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BROKEN i.e S tier: Dragunov, King.
-Very strong and easy i.e A+ tier: Feng, Kuma, Panda, Eddy, Law, Jun, Victor, Alisa, Lars.
-Very strong i.e A tier: Kazuya, Jin, Leo, Hwoarang, Shaheen, Devil Jin, Reina, Nina, Bryan, Lee.
-Very strong but hard i.e A- tier: Xiaoyu, Yoshimitsu.
-Viable and easy i.e B tier: Jack, Raven, Paul, Lili.
-Not competitive i.e C tier: Claudio, Zafina, Steve, Leroy, Asuka.

[chosenxeno]

My Tier List

Shaheen: F Tier Needs Huge Buffs

Everyone Else: SSSS+ Desperately need Nerfs. Broken, busted, ect.

I really hope Bamco starts to take Balance more seriously...

[Cam]

I thought I would avoid doing this because I figured I'd just make a list of characters I lose to, but it didn't end up like that so why not. Time for The King of Iron Fist Tier List I guess. From a 'semi-serious midrank play' perspective, at least. It's way too early for tiers to settle anyway, even for the pros.


S: Dragunov, King, Feng, Azucena, Victor

S-: Lili, Xiaoyu, Jun, Jin, Kazuya, Yoshimitsu, Devil Jin, Lee, Reina

A+: Lars, Hwoarang, Shaheen, Leo, Alisa

A: Jack-8, Law, Bryan, Paul, Eddy, Raven, Nina

Bears: Kuma, Panda

C: Steve, Asuka, Claudio, Leroy, Zafina

I feel like a lot of these are self explanitory, but I have some thoughts about some of them. Claudio would probably be better in my eyes if Azucena wasn't doing his WR move but a million times better, Steve seems good in the hands of a pro but there's no way anyone at my level is leveraging him worth a damn. Hwoarang I imagine drops off towards higher level play, but pretty scary for me to fight without the labbing done still.

I think Victor got a lot of early downplay for being so easy to play, and easy to counter if not played well. I've fought some Victors who don't play so obvious by comparison, and it feels pretty dire for my matchup as a Leo player.

I don't know if I'm overrating Feng, but he does feel like the better Leo a lot of the time, so I place him high.

I played some Drag, so even though I think he's great, I don't do so bad against him. At purple ranks a lot of Drags are still relying on nobody knowing how to fight back, and crumble if you have familiarity with the moveset. Conversely I played Lee for a bit and still get washed by him all the time. From the low tiers I probably lose to Asuka the most.

This was pretty interesting for me to go through, OP, not a bad thread.

[ShadowSplit]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

a zafina player won a tournament in America, it's laughable to suggest she is a bad character just because she's not OP like she was in T7

In Soulcalibur VI Yuttoto won EVO 2019 with Voldo who is widely regarded as trash tier nobody plays.

Zafina is bad, straight up.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by chosenxeno:

My Tier List

Shaheen: F Tier Needs Huge Buffs

Everyone Else: SSSS+ Desperately need Nerfs. Broken, busted, ect.

I really hope Bamco starts to take Balance more seriously...

Shaheen is not even weak in this game

[Forza Piadina]

Originally posted by Pelikan:

Originally posted by PremiumR98:

"-Not competitive i.e C tier: Claudio, Zafina, Steve, Leroy, Asuka."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iWhMF3IF0&ab_channel=Numanch
Can steve downplayers shut up already? Steve literally won a Pakistani tournament TODAY in grand finals against Arslan Ash's Azucena. Cladio is decent as well, Asuka not awful either, played her myself a bunch

That is true. And it is worth to point out that Numan CH ( Steve specialist) also lost narrowly to Farzeen in the grand final earlier this month in a super high level tournament in Pakistan.

The thing to take into account though, is that Numan CH is actually the only player in the world to make Steve work in high profile tournaments against top opposition so far. He is an absolute monster of defense and technique. All others have failed or given up using Steve as secondary ( or counterpick char) for tourneys ( including Lowhigh, Knee, JDCR etc..)

The reasons why most pro players do not put Steve with the S/S+ tier category is the following :

- He cannot launch punish many of the moves that all other characters can launch. The result is that when you play Steve, opponents will try things on Steve ( unsafe moves) they cannot do on other chars ( ie risky lows, high damage unsafe flowcharts with maximum reward when they land) by fear of getting launched.

- He has bad matchups against characters with good parries ( ie: Law in heat will automatically parry almost everything Steve does, Dragunov etc.. ) or punch parries.

- His combos are just decent, but he is not in line with S tiers and above when it comes to combo damage at the wall ( weak wall damage, compare this to Drag, Bryan, Kazuya etc..)

- His launcher moves are either slow or risky ( launch punishable) so he relies on CHs.

- You need to defend more than usual and give up your turn more often than top tier characters with better frames on block ( he is basically playing Tekken 7.5 like Bryan).

- Does not have a power crush that is also a heat engager like some top tiers ( very important in tourneys).


But he has huge strengths for sure to compensate and when a genius like Numan CH plays him (or Heera Malik) , it automatically elevates the character to S+ tier.

However when you make a tier list, you take into account how most top players who play it perform and how successful that char is in tournaments overall . Because if you only consider one guy, then Asuka played by KingReyJr is S+ tier, Claudio played by Jeondding is S+ tier, Jack played by JoeCrush is S+ Tier, Shaheen played by LowHigh is God tier, Zafina played by Shadow20z is S+ tier, Alisa played by Kirakira is God tier etc..

The game is new and people still don't understand how to play steve.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Cam:

I thought I would avoid doing this because I figured I'd just make a list of characters I lose to, but it didn't end up like that so why not. Time for The King of Iron Fist Tier List I guess. From a 'semi-serious midrank play' perspective, at least.


S: Dragunov, King, Feng, Azucena, Victor

S-: Lili, Xiaoyu, Jun, Jin, Kazuya, Yoshimitsu, Devil Jin, Lee, Reina

A+: Lars, Hwoarang, Shaheen, Leo, Alisa

A: Jack-8, Law, Bryan, Paul, Eddy, Raven, Nina

Bears: Kuma, Panda

C: Steve, Asuka, Claudio, Leroy, Zafina

I feel like a lot of these are self explanitory, but I have some thoughts about some of them. Claudio would probably be better in my eyes if Azucena wasn't doing his WR move but a million times better, Steve seems good in the hands of a pro but there's no way anyone at my level is leveraging him worth a damn. Hwoarang I imagine drops off towards higher level play, but pretty scary for me to fight without the labbing done still.

I think Victor got a lot of early downplay for being so easy to play, and easy to counter if not played well. I've fought some Victors who don't play so obvious by comparison, and it feels pretty dire for my matchup as a Leo player.

I don't know if I'm overrating Feng, but he does feel like the better Leo a lot of the time, so I place him high.

I played some Drag, so even though I think he's great, I don't do so bad against him. At purple ranks a lot of Drags are still relying on nobody knowing how to fight back, and crumble if you have familiarity with the moveset. Conversely I played Lee for a bit and still get washed by him all the time. From the low tiers I probably lose to Asuka the most.

This was pretty interesting for me to go through, OP, not a bad thread.

Kazuya S- stronger than reina,lars, yoshi, lee, hwo, leo, alisa.... and like 10 more chars (which should be above him)
Lmao learn how to step

[Cam]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by Cam:

I thought I would avoid doing this because I figured I'd just make a list of characters I lose to, but it didn't end up like that so why not. Time for The King of Iron Fist Tier List I guess. From a 'semi-serious midrank play' perspective, at least.


S: Dragunov, King, Feng, Azucena, Victor

S-: Lili, Xiaoyu, Jun, Jin, Kazuya, Yoshimitsu, Devil Jin, Lee, Reina

A+: Lars, Hwoarang, Shaheen, Leo, Alisa

A: Jack-8, Law, Bryan, Paul, Eddy, Raven, Nina

Bears: Kuma, Panda

C: Steve, Asuka, Claudio, Leroy, Zafina

I feel like a lot of these are self explanitory, but I have some thoughts about some of them. Claudio would probably be better in my eyes if Azucena wasn't doing his WR move but a million times better, Steve seems good in the hands of a pro but there's no way anyone at my level is leveraging him worth a damn. Hwoarang I imagine drops off towards higher level play, but pretty scary for me to fight without the labbing done still.

I think Victor got a lot of early downplay for being so easy to play, and easy to counter if not played well. I've fought some Victors who don't play so obvious by comparison, and it feels pretty dire for my matchup as a Leo player.

I don't know if I'm overrating Feng, but he does feel like the better Leo a lot of the time, so I place him high.

I played some Drag, so even though I think he's great, I don't do so bad against him. At purple ranks a lot of Drags are still relying on nobody knowing how to fight back, and crumble if you have familiarity with the moveset. Conversely I played Lee for a bit and still get washed by him all the time. From the low tiers I probably lose to Asuka the most.

This was pretty interesting for me to go through, OP, not a bad thread.

Kazuya S- stronger than reina,lars, yoshi, lee, hwo, leo, alisa.... and like 10 more chars stronger than him
Lmao learn how to step

I didn't claim to be good or qualified, and in fact I claimed the opposite. I'll learn to step eventually, but IDK if you'll ever learn to read.

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by Forza Piadina:

The game is new and people still don't understand how to play steve.

Knee, Lowhigh, JDCR and most top players who do not rate him in the top 15 definitely know how to play Steve though :)

However, you may be right but then that applies to all characters not just Steve. But yes, the level will rise as people get more experience playing their characters, I agree.

Having said that, IMHO aside from the nerfs and the new lionheart stance, not much has changed for Steve since T7. His gameplan is still fundamentally the same.

Originally posted by Cam:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Kazuya S- stronger than reina,lars, yoshi, lee, hwo, leo, alisa.... and like 10 more chars stronger than him
Lmao learn how to step

I didn't claim to be good or qualified, and in fact I claimed the opposite. I'll learn to step eventually, but IDK if you'll ever learn to read.

The thing with Kazuya is that he is much stronger in T8 than he was in T7.

The fact that he heavily relies on 50-50s and that his wall damage, okizeme ( damage on floored opponent trying to get up) and heat is one of the most powerful in the game, it means that in tournament, he can be extremely good as a counter pick (also depend on which stage, the smaller the better for him), because if you guess wrong under pressure, he can delete your health very quickly.

watch at 8:11:41 ( Tekken World Tour semi-final) : https://youtu.be/4v3w1TPTlUs?t=29501

As a main, top Kazuya experts like Keisuke did not win yet, but as a counter-pick Kazuya can be really strong for certain matchups. It is generally difficult to rate 50-50s characters like Kaz and Paul, because of the casino factor IMHO.

But yeah he is not top tier, but what he does well, he does it really really well to be fair, even though he definitely has weaknesses for sure ( and the execution barrier, Jin is better than him IMHO).

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Pelikan:

Originally posted by Forza Piadina:

The game is new and people still don't understand how to play steve.

Knee, Lowhigh, JDCR and most top players who do not rate him in the top 15 definitely know how to play Steve though :)

However, you may be right but then that applies to all characters not just Steve. But yes, the level will rise as people get more experience playing their characters, I agree.

Having said that, IMHO aside from the nerfs and the new lionheart stance, not much has changed for Steve since T7. His gameplan is still fundamentally the same.

Originally posted by Cam:

I didn't claim to be good or qualified, and in fact I claimed the opposite. I'll learn to step eventually, but IDK if you'll ever learn to read.

The thing with Kazuya is that he is much stronger in T8 than he was in T7.

The fact that he heavily relies on 50-50s and that his wall damage, okizeme ( damage on floored opponent trying to get up) and heat is one of the most powerful in the game, it means that in tournament, he can be extremely good as a counter pick, because if you guess wrong under pressure, he can delete your health very quickly.

watch at 8:11:41 ( Tekken World Tour semi-final) : https://youtu.be/4v3w1TPTlUs?t=29501

As a main, top Kazuya experts like Keisuke did not win yet, but a counter-pick Kazuya can be really strong for certain matchups. It is generally difficult to rate 50-50s characters like Kaz and Paul, because of the casino factor IMHO.

But yeah he is not top tier, but what he does well, he does it really really well even though he definitely has weaknesses for sure ( and the execution barrier, Jin is better than him IMHO).

Tekken 7 kaz in this game would be way stronger
-df2 got nerfed
-db2 nerfed
-ss3 nerfed
-combos nerfed
-ewgf nerfed
-112 and b12 nerfed
-his 15f punish gone
-hellsweep nerfed
-b4 is gone no longer ch
-hellsweep heavens gate nerfed and his just frame timing version gone
-22 12f punisher gone
-His magic 4 which is 12f unlike most 11f magic 4s which has worst range in game (twice less than his jabs lmao) now doesn't launch
Only thing he got new is ff2 which can still be stepped and db12 which is just good nothing special

[Pelikan]

Well, Df2 is still one of the best CH move, he has top 3 wall damage in the game, he is one of the scariest char in heat with Xiaoyu, Devil Jin etc. , his regular combo damage is still pretty good, he is the only guy that can launch you i13, he has top 3 okizeme in the game, you no longer need EWGF as much to do well with him ( what you need is wall carry ) and it still a CH to huge combo dmg regardless :)

He also has new moves that are pretty good. Some of CH that you listed are gone yes, but other chars also lost some of their CHs as well, it is not just Kazuya to be fair. It is because of T8 new mechanics ( heat, chip dmg introduced, offense orientation of the game, defense weakened)

[C1REX]

Zafina and Steve are doing well on tournaments what means that all characters ate viable, pros can be wrong about tiers and balance is not as bad as some cry about.

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Zafina and Steve are doing well on tournaments what means that all characters ate viable, pros can be wrong about tiers and balance is not as bad as some cry about.

I agree with your basic opinion ( balance is not as bad as some make it out outside the top 6-8 chars ) however it is important to precise one thing :

One Steve did well in tournaments (defensive/technical genius Numan CH ), all other Steve absolutely did not do well at all in tournaments:)

Same for Zafina, 1 Zafina ( Shadow20z) did well in a regional US tournament ( no Pakistanis, no Koreans, no Japanese players) :) It is important to precise to put in perspective.

[Hez]

S tier: Drag, Feng, Azucena, Nina, King, maybe DVJ

Low tier: Leroy, Asuka, Panda, Zafina, Steve, Bryan

For some people Bryan will be a surprise, but he is overnerfed in T8. Except his taunt/wall combo he is so bad.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Pelikan:

Well, Df2 is still one of the best CH move, he has top 3 wall damage in the game, he is one of the scariest char in heat with Xiaoyu, Devil Jin etc. , his regular combo damage is still pretty good, he is the only guy that can launch you i13, he has top 3 okizeme in the game, you no longer need EWGF as much to do well with him ( what you need is wall carry ) and it still a CH to huge combo dmg regardless :)

He also has new moves that are pretty good. Some of CH that you listed are gone yes, but other chars also lost some of their CHs as well, it is not just Kazuya to be fair. It is because of T8 new mechanics ( heat, chip dmg introduced, offense orientation of the game, defense weakened)

Top 3 dmg??????? average dmg
Kaz in tekken 7 does more dmg with 3 ewgf
Scariest heat.....this has to be joke amped hs which loses all heat hs heavens gate is not that good ff2 yeah sure does some 40ish dmg still uses heat and i have fully homing iws1+2 or iws twin pistons for that (forgot to mention twin piston nerf while they can't launch many lows already cause of range issues) and his heat engager or whatever the name for that is some 20f +1 with pushback steppable mid with no range (one of the worst if not the worst)

This char is mediocre especially for the effort needed and LMAO no need for ewgf i am done discussing here

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by Pelikan:

Well, Df2 is still one of the best CH move, he has top 3 wall damage in the game, he is one of the scariest char in heat with Xiaoyu, Devil Jin etc. , his regular combo damage is still pretty good, he is the only guy that can launch you i13, he has top 3 okizeme in the game, you no longer need EWGF as much to do well with him ( what you need is wall carry ) and it still a CH to huge combo dmg regardless :)

He also has new moves that are pretty good. Some of CH that you listed are gone yes, but other chars also lost some of their CHs as well, it is not just Kazuya to be fair. It is because of T8 new mechanics ( heat, chip dmg introduced, offense orientation of the game, defense weakened)

Top 3 dmg??????? average dmg
Kaz in tekken 7 does more dmg with 3 ewgf
Scariest heat.....this has to be joke amped hs which loses all heat hs heavens gate is not that good ff2 yeah sure does some 40ish dmg still uses heat and i have fully homing iws1+2 or iws twin pistons for that (forgot to mention twin piston nerf while they can't launch many lows already cause of range issues) and his heat engager or whatever the name for that is some 20f +1 with pushback steppable mid with no range (one of the worst if not the worst)

This char is mediocre especially for the effort needed and LMAO no need for ewgf i am done discussing here

Yes top 3 WALL damage :) don't put words in my mouth please, I clearly wrote wall damage and it is true. Kazuya's wall damage is insane, I cannot think of more than 2-3 chars that can match it, let alone exceed it.

Yes one of the scariest heat, he can do the laser stuff THREE times.. ( that is 120dmg..) and if you are near the wall against a Kazuya player in heat and full offense mode, God help you if get clipped.

And yes even MainManSwe made a video about it, he is top 3 Kazuya player in Europe, you don't need perfect EWGF as much as in T7 with Kazuya in T8. You need it for CH into combo. He has new tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDhklQJBWd0

He rates Kazuya stronger than Devil Jin here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7viviuEcRKM&t=525s

But maybe you might be more informed than him.

And this is semi final Tekken World Tour against an Alisa God Kirakira who got completely wrecked by Joka's Kazuya ( it is not even his main, he plays Feng) :

watch at 8:11:41 ( Tekken World Tour semi-final) : https://youtu.be/4v3w1TPTlUs?t=29501