how do you deal with fast lows?

[Crimzon]

I'm just losing over and over at warrior to these fast and long range lows like jin d2. I try to low parry to punish and they dont throw it out and hit me with mids.

[בתאניה]

I have no idea we got people doing weird ♥♥♥♥ to make you block, like a zafina player repeatedly jabbing me in the face and I back up and they keep doing it to get me to block high and when I do, then they nail me mid low with an attack and then an unblockable, it's highly frustrating. On top of that I try to return a few attacks and they somehow block every high, mid, and low attack I throw..

[I hate summer]

You gotta predict or react, no other way. For Jin's D2, open practice mode and make him use the move, then pay attention to the animation and get used to it. Whenever I play vs Jin players who don't mix D2 with at least one other low, I get used to it so easily, that I block like 80-90% of them on reaction because it's 22 frames, so it's not that fast. An example of a really fast low is hellsweep because the frames are way lower (16 iirc?), now this is a low you can't react to and you gotta predict to duck / low parry before it hits you.

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by From fall to spring:

You gotta predict or react, no other way. For Jin's D2, open practice mode and make him use the move, then pay attention to the animation and get used to it. Whenever I play vs Jin players who don't mix D2 with at least one other low, I get used to it so easily, that I block like 80-90% of them on reaction because it's 22 frames, so it's not that fast. An example of a really fast low is hellsweep because the frames are way lower (16 iirc?), now this is a low you can't react to and you gotta predict to duck / low parry before it hits you.

I try to predict and get mid launched. I can deal with a move in isolation in practice mode where he cant use his other 70 moves, but instantly recognizing a low move after 5 frames and pressing down forward when there are plenty of moves in this game that look like they're a height they're not seems impossible. Reina punches my upper thigh and it's a low apparently

I'm literally the lowest rank I can go at this point, and I'm struggling against a barrage of lows and mids. Are new players supposed to learn every single low and memorize the startup frames to deal with this? or just play rushdown and hope you dont have to defend

[Nauct]

You don't.
Some lows will be in an attack string, so you'll see for example Leroys 3,3 is mid kick low. You recognize the first mid kick 3, then you know the low is coming, so you can block or low parry. Same with Laws Junkyard string.
Slower lows, 18f+ if you're paying attention you can see and block.
Fast little lows you're almost expected to get hit by if you're close. You can read they're gonna do a low, but then you risk getting hit by the most dangerous attacks, mids.

[Nauct]

Rule of thumb, only block low on reaction, if you know the specific string, or if your opponent is super predictable

[Paff]

I think often time its better to focus on their tendency rather than a particular move... if you are getting hit by low just think of it as something that is guaranteed for them and continue to observe what they are doing and punish accordingly...

Jin's D2 is still blockable but unless you have built your muscle memory for it, it would still be a quiet demanding task to do... and blocking it I think is something that will come overtime as you are used to predicting when the enemy might use what move depending on how much data you have collected on the enemy so far on the match...

Reacting often time is also not really a good strategy here unless you are already aware of the animation and your muscle memory act accordingly since that will make you predictable and prone to getting mixed up..

[I hate summer]

Originally posted by Crimzon:

Originally posted by From fall to spring:

You gotta predict or react, no other way. For Jin's D2, open practice mode and make him use the move, then pay attention to the animation and get used to it. Whenever I play vs Jin players who don't mix D2 with at least one other low, I get used to it so easily, that I block like 80-90% of them on reaction because it's 22 frames, so it's not that fast. An example of a really fast low is hellsweep because the frames are way lower (16 iirc?), now this is a low you can't react to and you gotta predict to duck / low parry before it hits you.

I try to predict and get mid launched. I can deal with a move in isolation in practice mode where he cant use his other 70 moves, but instantly recognizing a low move after 5 frames and pressing down forward when there are plenty of moves in this game that look like they're a height they're not seems impossible. Reina punches my upper thigh and it's a low apparently

I'm literally the lowest rank I can go at this point, and I'm struggling against a barrage of lows and mids. Are new players supposed to learn every single low and memorize the startup frames to deal with this? or just play rushdown and hope you dont have to defend

In lower ranks, just attacking 24/7 is the best option and is pretty much guaranteed to get you to at least vanquisher. The only problem is that you're hardly learning anything this way and once you reach higher ranks you will probably start losing like 75% of your matches, so I personally wouldn't recommend "learning" to play the game that way.

And no, you don't have to memorize everything, no one does. Some characters are so unpopular that you might run into them like once in 100-200 games, so you'd be wasting time learning their moves before learning stuff from the most popular ones (and even then, memorizing the most popular moves is usually enough). You also have to remember that every player in the world has some form of patterns and being able to adapt to your opponent's playstyle is what allows you to outplay them.

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by From fall to spring:

Originally posted by Crimzon:

I try to predict and get mid launched. I can deal with a move in isolation in practice mode where he cant use his other 70 moves, but instantly recognizing a low move after 5 frames and pressing down forward when there are plenty of moves in this game that look like they're a height they're not seems impossible. Reina punches my upper thigh and it's a low apparently

I'm literally the lowest rank I can go at this point, and I'm struggling against a barrage of lows and mids. Are new players supposed to learn every single low and memorize the startup frames to deal with this? or just play rushdown and hope you dont have to defend

In lower ranks, just attacking 24/7 is the best option and is pretty much guaranteed to get you to at least vanquisher. The only problem is that you're hardly learning anything this way and once you reach higher ranks you will probably start losing like 75% of your matches, so I personally wouldn't recommend "learning" to play the game that way.

And no, you don't have to memorize everything, no one does. Some characters are so unpopular that you might run into them like once in 100-200 games, so you'd be wasting time learning their moves before learning stuff from the most popular ones (and even then, memorizing the most popular moves is usually enough). You also have to remember that every player in the world has some form of patterns and being able to adapt to your opponent's playstyle is what allows you to outplay them.

i mean how much time do i have to lab stuff? Feels like I need to lab more than play.

[I hate summer]

Originally posted by Crimzon:

Originally posted by From fall to spring:

In lower ranks, just attacking 24/7 is the best option and is pretty much guaranteed to get you to at least vanquisher. The only problem is that you're hardly learning anything this way and once you reach higher ranks you will probably start losing like 75% of your matches, so I personally wouldn't recommend "learning" to play the game that way.

And no, you don't have to memorize everything, no one does. Some characters are so unpopular that you might run into them like once in 100-200 games, so you'd be wasting time learning their moves before learning stuff from the most popular ones (and even then, memorizing the most popular moves is usually enough). You also have to remember that every player in the world has some form of patterns and being able to adapt to your opponent's playstyle is what allows you to outplay them.

i mean how much time do i have to lab stuff? Feels like I need to lab more than play.

It's different for everyone, but generally, yes, you're correct. To get good at the game you're very likely to spend at least half your playtime watching the replays and learning in practice mode.

But it really depends on how far you wanna push. If you want vanquisher, then just outmashing your opponent should be enough.
If you want garyu and higher, only then should you bother with learning anything about the game or how to play your character effectively.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Crimzon:

i mean how much time do i have to lab stuff? Feels like I need to lab more than play.

Don't lab it if you don't like it. I recommend asking for long private matches against Jin players on Discord or in the arcade lobby. Or pick Jin and start abusing the low you are losing to and other players will show you different ways how to deal with it.

[DoDonPachi]

unseeable lows can only be blocked by prediction based on your opponents habits, also depending on character. For example feng wei wants to do db3 a lot from 2 character lengths away. The game needs unseeable lows because if you can break throws (not that hard) and block snake edges (really not hard) youre basically untouchable

[MOSLEY]

20 frames is the threshold for seeable lows. Jin's d+2 should be seeable if you practice enough.

Anything below 20 and you're relying on reads. It's often better to just take the chip damage from lows to avoid eating mids, which are much more scary, unless your opponent is really harassing you with lows to try to make you duck.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Jin d2 is broken but you just predict they are gonna use it and kill them for that (i was told by friends that i can react to it and yes it is possible especially if they abuse it but if you are not able to then read their patterns)

[Necropants]

If you are blocking fast lows you are getting caught in the low n00b trap, blocking fast lows unless you have a hard read on them is a good way to get your self lauched into death as opposed to the chip damage you would have taken otherwise.

and thats how you should few low impact lows... chip damage.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Sometimes it is best to take some low damage low attacks instead of being launched for NO ME GUSTA damage.