the chip damage is insane

[PremiumG98]

thank you Michael Murray, cant even block in Tekken anymore

[Skiptro]

t7 Murray when people complained about side stepping: "just block"
t8 Murray "just mash"

[Hidebehind]

Correction: you can no longer stand still forever imagining you are a turtle. You have to play the game now. Also, you apparently forgot that in T7 against Fahkumram, you couldn't block his hits indefinitely either.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Correction: you can no longer stand still forever imagining you are a turtle. You have to play the game now. Also, you apparently forgot that in T7 against Fahkumram, you couldn't block his hits indefinitely either.

Can't be a turtle while playing turtle chars lmao

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Correction: you can no longer stand still forever imagining you are a turtle. You have to play the game now. Also, you apparently forgot that in T7 against Fahkumram, you couldn't block his hits indefinitely either.

Can't be a turtle while playing turtle chars lmao

You can, it just takes a lot more skill to do it now.

[PremiumG98]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Correction, you can no longer stand there forever imagining you're a turtle. Now you have to play the game. Also, you apparently forgot that in T7 against Fahkumram.
you also couldn't block his blows indefinitely.

you dont need to be a turtle to get half your life stolen by chip damage, you block a couple of Cena running 3,2's and that's already minus a good bunch of your health, and what do you do counter it? Press into her i15 evasive, safe ob ch launcher? or get clipped while trying to step? thanks dumbass, and this whole chip thing gets 10 times worse during heat as everyone gets a fast heat dash that deletes 25 or so of your health and puts you at -5, while increasing the chip damage for everything else as well
and I sure didnt forget about a failure of a character that everyone hated and despised for his whole lifespan, and how everyone dropped him after his nerf, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ situation was only at the wall instead of everywhere in neutral

[Skiptro]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Can't be a turtle while playing turtle chars lmao

You can, it just takes a lot more skill to do it now.

no you can't that is the point. The game is not for defensive play styles, they nerfed all defensive tools besides power crush, which people use as an offensive tool anyway because it is so good now. Low parry, backdash, sidestep has been nerfed, while all attacks are buffed, every character is now rush down and mixup while you have to manage chip damage, turtling is not viable.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Can't be a turtle while playing turtle chars lmao

You can, it just takes a lot more skill to do it now.

Lot more skill nah it is the same just ending up with half hp gone before any opening while monkeys are pressing

[Hidebehind]

Players like you confuse a defensive style with actually fearing your opponent. Strikes that deal damage even in block are either high or medium attacks with very long startup times.
In the former you can duck and do huge damage, and in the latter you can attack and also do huge damage. Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you. Skillful defense is knowing your opponent's weaknesses and knowing how to exploit those weaknesses.

[Skiptro]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Players like you confuse a defensive style with actually fearing your opponent. Strikes that deal damage even in block are either high or medium attacks with very long startup times.
In the former you can duck and do huge damage, and in the latter you can attack and also do huge damage. Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you. Skillful defense is knowing your opponent's weaknesses and knowing how to exploit those weaknesses.

have you ever seen a high level jack player?

[Hidebehind]

What you're really complaining about is that you can't press random buttons and win. The funny thing is that a lot of people write that this is the way to play, but there are also a lot of complaints where people say that they can't do anything, although if you listen to the first group of people, it turns out that you just have to press random buttons and you will win.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by Skiptro:

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Players like you confuse a defensive style with actually fearing your opponent. Strikes that deal damage even in block are either high or medium attacks with very long startup times.
In the former you can duck and do huge damage, and in the latter you can attack and also do huge damage. Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you. Skillful defense is knowing your opponent's weaknesses and knowing how to exploit those weaknesses.

have you ever seen a high level jack player?

Are you seriously complaining about the slowest character in the game at the moment? You literally haven't read anything I've said and continue to bend your line that any fighter other than yours is broken. If Jack 8 is so cool and strong, why aren't you playing him? Maybe because when you lose, you'll run out of excuses?
You won't learn anything from this game if you keep blaming everything but yourself for your defeats.

[Skiptro]

lol go watch a few matches Saint played in tekken 7, it is master full, and it is sad that tekken 8 discourages this type of play style.

And no i'm not speaking for myself, i play Azu, i don't need to block lol. Never said any character is broken or not broken, I'm only saying the game discourages defensive playstyles, which is true, don't know why you even arguing against that.

[ShadowSplit]

As a defensive player myself, this game is an absolute garbage when it comes to defending. You are bottom feeder the moment you decide to defend yourself. You can read your opponent, well, tough luck. They will chip you to eternity, and if you - by any chance - trying to intercept anything, say goodbye to your chip and regular health aswell.

[PremiumG98]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Players like you confuse a defensive style with actually fearing your opponent. Strikes that deal damage even in block are either high or medium attacks with very long startup times.
In the former you can duck and do huge damage, and in the latter you can attack and also do huge damage. Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you. Skillful defense is knowing your opponent's weaknesses and knowing how to exploit those weaknesses.

dragunov running 2 is a mid thats +6 ob
cena running 3.2 is a mid thats +5 ob
both are i15 and deal 9 and 10 chip respectively
whats their weakness? getting stepped and flying away anyway so they couldnt get punished properly?
Plus everyone is getting buffed and buffed in Tekken nowadays and they lose their weaknesses completely, Drag had a weakness in having no scary lows, now he gets a hatchet, Lee had whatever lows and no plus frames, it's been fixed completely with b3,3, reworked slide that you have to duck, ff2, f4,1, etc. etc. Jin is a perfect char now, no poor reach on his jab and df1, no execution needed for a f4 combo, whf launches on nh, d2 is as strong as it gets etc, etc.

"Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you"
oh please, do lecture me on how to defend in a game where a lot of characters force mixups on you all the time, pressure you with never ending plus frames and string mind games, homing hellsweeps, stance ♥♥♥♥ that tracks like crazy and has an option for every possible counter measure, straight up neutral skip tools like Hwo rff df3 or Lars SEN3, DVJ heat smash and UF1, Reina ff2 etc. etc.

[Hidebehind]

Originally posted by PremiumR98:

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

Players like you confuse a defensive style with actually fearing your opponent. Strikes that deal damage even in block are either high or medium attacks with very long startup times.
In the former you can duck and do huge damage, and in the latter you can attack and also do huge damage. Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you. Skillful defense is knowing your opponent's weaknesses and knowing how to exploit those weaknesses.

dragunov running 2 is a mid thats +6 ob
cena running 3.2 is a mid thats +5 ob
both are i15 and deal 9 and 10 chip respectively
whats their weakness? getting stepped and flying away anyway so they couldnt get punished properly?
Plus everyone is getting buffed and buffed in Tekken nowadays and they lose their weaknesses completely, Drag had a weakness in having no scary lows, now he gets a hatchet, Lee had whatever lows and no plus frames, it's been fixed completely with b3,3, reworked slide that you have to duck, ff2, f4,1, etc. etc. Jin is a perfect char now, no poor reach on his jab and df1, no execution needed for a f4 combo, whf launches on nh, d2 is as strong as it gets etc, etc.

"Defense is not just standing around and waiting for your opponent to stop attacking you"
oh please, do lecture me on how to defend in a game where a lot of characters force mixups on you all the time, pressure you with never ending plus frames and string mind games, homing hellsweeps, stance ♥♥♥♥ that tracks like crazy and has an option for every possible counter measure, straight up neutral skip tools like Hwo rff df3 or Lars SEN3, DVJ heat smash and UF1, Reina ff2 etc. etc.

You refuse to realize that your opponent is only as aggressive as you allow him to be. You don't defend yourself in this game, you fear your opponent. You're afraid to press anything. Why aren't you complaining about Asuka? She has a +5 mid, she has a high attack at +6, she has a low hit at +4. But ask yourself why this character is garbage even though she has such "cool" moves?

You keep claiming that your defeats are unrelated to your skills. Even though Dragunov is insanely strong, he can still be defeated.