WARNING! HUGE RANT! (Former Asuka)

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

WTF did they do with Asuka?
1) WS 1+2 doesn't give the opportunity for f3 anymore
2) 1+3 doesn't go into unblockable anymore (wall tech trap)
3) hidden tackle (1+2+3+4, df1+2, 1+2, 3+4) got nerfed damage wise and doesn't give a guaranteed f3 or good oki anymore
4) reversals don't go against charged attacks, unblockables, hop kick or any aerial attacks anymore (additional to knees, elbows. Head)
And they don't give a wall combo anymore (which is ok I guess)
5) 1, 1, 4 has been removed (catching people mashing buttons)
6) 2, 3 doesn't knock down anymore and has nothing guaranteed
7) ff1 doesn't launch on counter anymore, but gives a db1 combo... and is a deathsentence on whiff.
8) b4, 2, 3 isn't delayable for extra damage anymore at the end of combos
9) her tech traps are not as effective anymore and are harder to time than in T7
10) her sweep (3-4 or df3+4) doesn't do a full launch anymore
11) f1, d4 doesn't launch anymore and only gives a guaranteed run up f3+4
12) 2,1,2 (former 2,1,1+2) doesn't launch anymore.
13) cancans doesn't do a pushback anymore... is save but the enemy is right up in your face and lost it's whiff bait effect.


And she wasn't higher than B tier in any regards. And I can't think of any other character that got nerfed that much.
I mean one or two tools that are nerfed is understandable.

The only thing that's improved is her ff4.
That's a full launcher now... wow...

And a WR homing high with a short range (for a wr attack) and a ff1+2 with a ridiculous short range and hitbox... which I'd gladly trade for any of the 13 points above.

The thing I do love is her low parry... which comes in handy once every blue moon for dealing insane damage.

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

No use for a defensive-oriented character if everyone is rewarded for mindlessly pushing 50/50s.

Yeah, right. Use can-cans, whiff-punish with ff2, evade attacks, defend properly, etc. Her entire play-style is still intact and she has sabakis and regular parry. In the right hands, she's very easy to play defensive with. Once people get over match-up knowledge issue, it's relatively the same game, kind of, except there are a bit more offensive options and heat. Her heat moves and her install add extra amount of punch to her. She's no slouch. Doesn't play exactly like T7, but she's not weak that she's unplayable. A TGO T7 player would probably still whoop mid-high to even remotely high-level players with Asuka even without trying.

[DB]

F*ck Asuka

[Sharkofspace]

Asuka is fine. Just stop trying to play her the same way you always have when you know it doesn't work. It's called adapting.

[AlastairKD]

Originally posted by Cutie:

Play Jun, she has got Asuka's toolkit and so much more on top of it.

Jun is for scrubs who need the crutch of a healing mechanic.

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

I still got her go flame ruler... which is ok I guess. I'm just kinda sad that they took so much from her while she already didn't have much to begin with. XD

[Iridius]

Originally posted by MxWu1337:

WTF did they do with Asuka?
1) WS 1+2 doesn't give the opportunity for f3 anymore
2) 1+3 doesn't go into unblockable anymore (wall tech trap)
3) hidden tackle (1+2+3+4, df1+2, 1+2, 3+4) got nerfed damage wise and doesn't give a guaranteed f3 or good oki anymore
4) reversals don't go against charged attacks, unblockables, hop kick or any aerial attacks anymore (additional to knees, elbows. Head)
And they don't give a wall combo anymore (which is ok I guess)
5) 1, 1, 4 has been removed (catching people mashing buttons)
6) 2, 3 doesn't knock down anymore and has nothing guaranteed
7) ff1 doesn't launch on counter anymore, but gives a db1 combo... and is a deathsentence on whiff.
8) b4, 2, 3 isn't delayable for extra damage anymore at the end of combos
9) her tech traps are not as effective anymore and are harder to time than in T7
10) her sweep (3-4 or df3+4) doesn't do a full launch anymore
11) f1, d4 doesn't launch anymore and only gives a guaranteed run up f3+4
12) 2,1,2 (former 2,1,1+2) doesn't launch anymore.
13) cancans doesn't do a pushback anymore... is save but the enemy is right up in your face and lost it's whiff bait effect.


And she wasn't higher than B tier in any regards. And I can't think of any other character that got nerfed that much.
I mean one or two tools that are nerfed is understandable.

The only thing that's improved is her ff4.
That's a full launcher now... wow...

And a WR homing high with a short range (for a wr attack) and a ff1+2 with a ridiculous short range and hitbox... which I'd gladly trade for any of the 13 points above.

The thing I do love is her low parry... which comes in handy once every blue moon for dealing insane damage.

I mained Asuka in 7 and I agree with you op. They butchered her, it seems intentional to get people on Jun.
She's not fun to play at all, she lost her counterhit game and her general flow of gameplay was destroyed. I dropped her and will simply remember the character as it was in t7.

[C.D.J. Grazza]

Originally posted by Super Cosmic Space Magnet:

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

My guess is you need "Jazz Hands" to do anything really scary with her. But I dont really play her in 8.

I will never call it anything other than this now - thank you :6face:

'Jazz hands' - Rofl

Broadway, New York - fame, musicals, film, - go get em tiger Asuka with those Jazz hands and dance moves.

Bob Fosse would be proud.

[C.D.J. Grazza]

Originally posted by Be_Proud (Heritage):

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

No use for a defensive-oriented character if everyone is rewarded for mindlessly pushing 50/50s.

Yeah, right. Use can-cans, whiff-punish with ff2, evade attacks, defend properly, etc. Her entire play-style is still intact and she has sabakis and regular parry. In the right hands, she's very easy to play defensive with. Once people get over match-up knowledge issue, it's relatively the same game, kind of, except there are a bit more offensive options and heat. Her heat moves and her install add extra amount of punch to her. She's no slouch. Doesn't play exactly like T7, but she's not weak that she's unplayable. A TGO T7 player would probably still whoop mid-high to even remotely high-level players with Asuka even without trying.

Bruh, you must be good at tekken, because all you've written rings true. - But I only hear top top players talk like that. Nicely said once again. Thank you.

I might try out Asuka, at scrub level though because she's now interesting with all these changes.

OP, don't give up, you can still win with her it seems.

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

Originally posted by Be_Proud (Heritage):

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

No use for a defensive-oriented character if everyone is rewarded for mindlessly pushing 50/50s.

Yeah, right. Use can-cans, whiff-punish with ff2, evade attacks, defend properly, etc. Her entire play-style is still intact and she has sabakis and regular parry. In the right hands, she's very easy to play defensive with. Once people get over match-up knowledge issue, it's relatively the same game, kind of, except there are a bit more offensive options and heat. Her heat moves and her install add extra amount of punch to her. She's no slouch. Doesn't play exactly like T7, but she's not weak that she's unplayable. A TGO T7 player would probably still whoop mid-high to even remotely high-level players with Asuka even without trying.

You're not wrong. It's just that her offensive tools were nerfed hard. I even forgot to mention how they changed her 1+3 to special mid instead of low.
She's no threat anymore.
I was TK in T7 and now I struggle to keep flame ruler with her.
She has always been rather predictable. And a turtle player has always been hard to Crack as Asuka.
But now it's even harder.
She still has no 11f punisher
Or a proper low. (D1+2 has no reach and whiffs more often than not unless during wall game)
And all the cool stuff has been taken away...
If I look at other characters.... they all evolved (except Feng, Zafina and Shaheen... and Leroy. They stayed the same mostly) into something stronger and more offensive. Asuka is the only one who's lost way more tools than gained. That's kinda sad as an Asuka main.

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

Originally posted by Iridius:

Originally posted by MxWu1337:

WTF did they do with Asuka?
1) WS 1+2 doesn't give the opportunity for f3 anymore
2) 1+3 doesn't go into unblockable anymore (wall tech trap)
3) hidden tackle (1+2+3+4, df1+2, 1+2, 3+4) got nerfed damage wise and doesn't give a guaranteed f3 or good oki anymore
4) reversals don't go against charged attacks, unblockables, hop kick or any aerial attacks anymore (additional to knees, elbows. Head)
And they don't give a wall combo anymore (which is ok I guess)
5) 1, 1, 4 has been removed (catching people mashing buttons)
6) 2, 3 doesn't knock down anymore and has nothing guaranteed
7) ff1 doesn't launch on counter anymore, but gives a db1 combo... and is a deathsentence on whiff.
8) b4, 2, 3 isn't delayable for extra damage anymore at the end of combos
9) her tech traps are not as effective anymore and are harder to time than in T7
10) her sweep (3-4 or df3+4) doesn't do a full launch anymore
11) f1, d4 doesn't launch anymore and only gives a guaranteed run up f3+4
12) 2,1,2 (former 2,1,1+2) doesn't launch anymore.
13) cancans doesn't do a pushback anymore... is save but the enemy is right up in your face and lost it's whiff bait effect.


And she wasn't higher than B tier in any regards. And I can't think of any other character that got nerfed that much.
I mean one or two tools that are nerfed is understandable.

The only thing that's improved is her ff4.
That's a full launcher now... wow...

And a WR homing high with a short range (for a wr attack) and a ff1+2 with a ridiculous short range and hitbox... which I'd gladly trade for any of the 13 points above.

The thing I do love is her low parry... which comes in handy once every blue moon for dealing insane damage.

I mained Asuka in 7 and I agree with you op. They butchered her, it seems intentional to get people on Jun.
She's not fun to play at all, she lost her counterhit game and her general flow of gameplay was destroyed. I dropped her and will simply remember the character as it was in t7.

Yeah... she's no fun anymore. It's not only about strong player or not... but her mind games and threatening traps are gone.

[MxWu1337-bilibili]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

Yeah I'm not scared in the least bit when I come up against a Asuka.

She's free imo

Lol.... I want to be angry at your comment... but when I face her with my secondary, I think the same.