Orbitals should be at least -10 on block

[valorant player]

It's so annoying how some characters just get to have a free move both with long range, tracking and can be both used as a defensive tool and offensive tool and not be punished for using it. People say "oh yeah just do random jabs and itll float them" when in reality there's a n 80% chance you just get clipped trying to do that and get launched by yourself.

Bryan and Lars is an outlier. It's almost half-screen where they can launch you from and it's hard to whiff punish because it's only their legs that extend to go for the hit. People can just do orbital into orbitals all day and not get punished for it it's crazy. It should be something we can bait out and do a 10frame punish instead.

[Rutabaga]

If someone is constantly doing two orbitals in a row, you need to step and punish. It's not safe or good to do that.

[天佑中共🐥the strongest]

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[valorant player]

Originally posted by Rutabaga:

If someone is constantly doing two orbitals in a row, you need to step and punish. It's not safe or good to do that.

it's extremely hard to punish some orbitals (especially Bryans) by stepping and whiff punishing, it's also hard to gauge the distance of the move as it can still clip you while you're moving trying to dash block

[Hidebehind]

You haven't realized yet that a fighter is more than one move, have you?
If this move is not punished, then there is a reason for it. The move may have a very small range or a long recovery time. The character doesn't have 100 ways to take the opponent down or has little pressure. The fighter may have weak low-kicks and therefore the opponent won't duck much.

[Rutabaga]

Originally posted by Nah, I'd win:

Originally posted by Rutabaga:

If someone is constantly doing two orbitals in a row, you need to step and punish. It's not safe or good to do that.

it's extremely hard to punish some orbitals (especially Bryans) by stepping and whiff punishing, it's also hard to gauge the distance of the move as it can still clip you while you're moving trying to dash block

It really isn't if he's just doing it twice in a row. His orbital ha 0 tracking to either side, you get full launch every time. I don't want to be one of those "skill issue" guys, but i think you need to practice stepping and movement if that is difficult for you to deal with.

The orbital is a great move for Bryan, but if you just spam it you are asking to get launched.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

You haven't realized yet that a fighter is more than one move, have you?
If this move is not punished, then there is a reason for it. The move may have a very small range or a long recovery time. The character doesn't have 100 ways to take the opponent down or has little pressure. The fighter may have weak low-kicks and therefore the opponent won't duck much.

Weak low kicks bryan fbi open up

[valorant player]

Originally posted by Rutabaga:

Originally posted by Nah, I'd win:

it's extremely hard to punish some orbitals (especially Bryans) by stepping and whiff punishing, it's also hard to gauge the distance of the move as it can still clip you while you're moving trying to dash block

It really isn't if he's just doing it twice in a row. His orbital ha 0 tracking to either side, you get full launch every time. I don't want to be one of those "skill issue" guys, but i think you need to practice stepping and movement if that is difficult for you to deal with.

The orbital is a great move for Bryan, but if you just spam it you are asking to get launched.

yeah it doesn't necessarily track but it's hard to step in general as it can still clip you while you're sidestepping

[Rutabaga]

Originally posted by Nah, I'd win:

Originally posted by Rutabaga:

It really isn't if he's just doing it twice in a row. His orbital ha 0 tracking to either side, you get full launch every time. I don't want to be one of those "skill issue" guys, but i think you need to practice stepping and movement if that is difficult for you to deal with.

The orbital is a great move for Bryan, but if you just spam it you are asking to get launched.

yeah it doesn't necessarily track but it's hard to step in general as it can still clip you while you're sidestepping

Not really, even if you are fully sidewalking when it comes out you will dodge it 100%.

I can think of 2 reasons why it might clip you. First one being that you start pressing too early. In Tekken, when you attack you "extend" your hitbox, so if you press to early you might actually put yourself back in harms way. This happened to me a lot in 7. I'd step a Kaz doing a hellsweep, press and boom. I get hit by the second attack because my timing was off and i extended in to the second hit. I'm not a huge fan of the game handling side steps/walk this way, but it is what it is. You just have to deal with it.

Second could be you are timing it wrong if you are just doing a single side step. Have you tried double-tapping up or down to initiate a side walk? This takes you are bit furter than just a single step, and can be repeated over and over to cover more ground. You kind of have to learn when a single step is the right way to go vs initiating a side walk.

Hope one of those things might help.

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Originally posted by Hidebehind:

You haven't realized yet that a fighter is more than one move, have you?
If this move is not punished, then there is a reason for it. The move may have a very small range or a long recovery time. The character doesn't have 100 ways to take the opponent down or has little pressure. The fighter may have weak low-kicks and therefore the opponent won't duck much.

Weak low kicks bryan fbi open up

Hatchet-kick, d/b3...d/4....

I like these lessons. I swear the next time I hear people say Bryan has weak lows therefore people won't duck, I can only shake my head in disapproval. It's very similar to Heihachi's pressure. He will force you to do something if you play it smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9bWdxb9e8

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/jhc00c/bryan_lessons_why_bryan_d4_is_good_and_how_to_use/?rdt=50922

Also the below lesson will teach how to open up with Bryan with his "weak lows". For the smooth-brains, it means yes, you have to use your brain to offensively pressure with Bryan. It's not a bad thing, and Bryan is still most definitely a solid A-tier pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-V7mQFkc0Q

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Be_Proud (Heritage):

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Weak low kicks bryan fbi open up

Hatchet-kick, d/b3...d/4....

I like these lessons. I swear the next time I hear people say Bryan has weak lows therefore people won't duck, I can only shake my head in disapproval. It's very similar to Heihachi's pressure. He will force you to do something if you play it smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9bWdxb9e8

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/jhc00c/bryan_lessons_why_bryan_d4_is_good_and_how_to_use/?rdt=50922

Also the below lesson will teach how to open up with Bryan with his "weak lows". For the smooth-brains, it means yes, you have to use your brain to offensively pressure with Bryan. It's not a bad thing, and Bryan is still most definitely a solid A-tier pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-V7mQFkc0Q

I swear people will label something weak low cause it has more than single digit input so should i call hellsweep weak low cause you need to be in crouch dash to input it?

Hatchet is one of the best lows in the game very strong tool then he has 16 low with high to catch punishers from time to time and low mid which is only -12 if we commit to mid option