I think Xiaoyu is the best in the game.

[CrimsonZako]

A week ago, I decided to take Xiaoyu for a spin to see what people were talking about, I was struggling against her myself so I thought it might help me in learning her match up, but as I was playing I kept questioning if it was actually me or the character that was the problem.

I kept playing her until it reached 400 wins in my stats and it turns out I have a whopping 80% win rate, which is the highest out of both my other two mains, I also don't know how to put it but Xiaoyu made the game feel... better? It felt like I had so many better options, pokes, movement potential, and cheese under my belt, and I didn't even entirely know how to use her as well, I just kept using certain flowcharts, combos, and frame traps over and over.

I also can't help but get countless one and done's, I rarely got one and done'd with others but Xiaoyu? It happens extremely often, win or lose, and that's why it took me about a week to get 400 wins, because I had to stay in the queue over and over.

I also want to go over her moveset, and I'll say it, it's probably the most dishonest thing I've ever seen in fighting games, evasion like Lili and Alisa, damaging combos like Drag and Paul, speed of Law and Hwo, cheesy like Feng, 50/50 machine like Leo, she truly has everything. Throw in a small hurt box, crazy frame traps, unpredictability, etc.

I'm not even going to go over her stances like AOP and where her back is turned, they are both frustratingly safe. It makes you always want to throw lows and ♥♥♥♥ jabs even when your character doesn't even do well in that regard, I also think people heavily overestimate the "skill" required when using her, all you need are a few unpredictable flowcharts that people will never expect, and with every Xiaoyu I come across there's more shenanigans that’s used. I also noticed she makes people panic for free, especially with how dangerous she is in both neutral and in heat.

I don't know, I feel like even if Knee didn't speak about Xiaoyu being busted it would have emerged and people would have found out eventually, the way she plays in this game is just insane.

[JyoKun]

Just wait to find people who know her weak points. Then you will have to work harder than them to find an opening. Xiaoyu doesn't rule in tournaments where people know the matchup... she is the best to evade, and that's all.
Rain dance isn't safe at all, if P2 doesn't respect you and keep pressure with his fastest attack, you can only try to mindgame him with a swept or perhaps a side step, all the rest will be crushed just by a string starting with a jab. And with people with longer ranges like Lili or Dragunov, try to trap them with rain dance, they will kill you.
AOP is strong, hypnothist can be tricky, but a korean back dash and P2 is safe. If P2 isn't afraid and goes directly with his jabs to you when you go in hypnothist, you can't attack.
For 50/50, against a good Jin you will loose. he has better 50/50 with longer range. His pressure will be insane on you and you will need to get in neutral fast but then you will have difficulties to go to him because of demon pawn.

When a Xiaoyu will dominate in tournament, we will see. But the pros don't take her for a reason: there are many better characters who will get them the money.

[KrossKounter]

inb4 the same 3 people come in here telling everyone to learn the matchup while they don't know a single matchup in the entire game and give horrible advice that is always completely wrong.
The only reason xiaoyu has a low winrate is because xiaoyu players are the weakest in this game. They can't do anything right, so she's balanced through her playerbase.

[Andy漫画家]

Originally posted by Ryoda:

The only reason xiaoyu has a low winrate is because xiaoyu players are the weakest in this game. They can't do anything right, so she's balanced through her playerbase.

As a less than average Xiaoyu player since Harada decided to abandon Julia(Tekken 3 - Tekken 6), I totally agree. As I'm learning to better use her stances, now that I'm able to cancel to them more easily... I literally forgot how to block consistently...

[ok i pull up]

Originally posted by Ryoda:

inb4 the same 3 people come in here telling everyone to learn the matchup while they don't know a single matchup in the entire game and give horrible advice that is always completely wrong.
The only reason xiaoyu has a low winrate is because xiaoyu players are the weakest in this game. They can't do anything right, so she's balanced through her playerbase.

facts

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Ryoda:

inb4 the same 3 people come in here telling everyone to learn the matchup while they don't know a single matchup in the entire game and give horrible advice that is always completely wrong.
The only reason xiaoyu has a low winrate is because xiaoyu players are the weakest in this game. They can't do anything right, so she's balanced through her playerbase.

Ngl if i ever met xiao player that knows what they are doing i would probably put controler down and wait till they kill me (tekken 8 xiao)

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

A week ago, I decided to take Xiaoyu for a spin to see what people were talking about, I was struggling against her myself so I thought it might help me in learning her match up, but as I was playing I kept questioning if it was actually me or the character that was the problem.

I kept playing her until it reached 400 wins in my stats and it turns out I have a whopping 80% win rate, which is the highest out of both my other two mains, I also don't know how to put it but Xiaoyu made the game feel... better? It felt like I had so many better options, pokes, movement potential, and cheese under my belt, and I didn't even entirely know how to use her as well, I just kept using certain flowcharts, combos, and frame traps over and over.

I also can't help but get countless one and done's, I rarely got one and done'd with others but Xiaoyu? It happens extremely often, win or lose, and that's why it took me about a week to get 400 wins, because I had to stay in the queue over and over.

I also want to go over her moveset, and I'll say it, it's probably the most dishonest thing I've ever seen in fighting games, evasion like Lili and Alisa, damaging combos like Drag and Paul, speed of Law and Hwo, cheesy like Feng, 50/50 machine like Leo, she truly has everything. Throw in a small hurt box, crazy frame traps, unpredictability, etc.

I'm not even going to go over her stances like AOP and where her back is turned, they are both frustratingly safe. It makes you always want to throw lows and ♥♥♥♥ jabs even when your character doesn't even do well in that regard, I also think people heavily overestimate the "skill" required when using her, all you need are a few unpredictable flowcharts that people will never expect, and with every Xiaoyu I come across there's more shenanigans that’s used. I also noticed she makes people panic for free, especially with how dangerous she is in both neutral and in heat.

I don't know, I feel like even if Knee didn't speak about Xiaoyu being busted it would have emerged and people would have found out eventually, the way she plays in this game is just insane.

Unless char is popular people sleep on them if some evo player does not mention them like with tekken 7 akuma

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

A week ago, I decided to take Xiaoyu for a spin to see what people were talking about, I was struggling against her myself so I thought it might help me in learning her match up, but as I was playing I kept questioning if it was actually me or the character that was the problem.

I kept playing her until it reached 400 wins in my stats and it turns out I have a whopping 80% win rate, which is the highest out of both my other two mains, I also don't know how to put it but Xiaoyu made the game feel... better? It felt like I had so many better options, pokes, movement potential, and cheese under my belt, and I didn't even entirely know how to use her as well, I just kept using certain flowcharts, combos, and frame traps over and over.

I also can't help but get countless one and done's, I rarely got one and done'd with others but Xiaoyu? It happens extremely often, win or lose, and that's why it took me about a week to get 400 wins, because I had to stay in the queue over and over.

I also want to go over her moveset, and I'll say it, it's probably the most dishonest thing I've ever seen in fighting games, evasion like Lili and Alisa, damaging combos like Drag and Paul, speed of Law and Hwo, cheesy like Feng, 50/50 machine like Leo, she truly has everything. Throw in a small hurt box, crazy frame traps, unpredictability, etc.

I'm not even going to go over her stances like AOP and where her back is turned, they are both frustratingly safe. It makes you always want to throw lows and ♥♥♥♥ jabs even when your character doesn't even do well in that regard, I also think people heavily overestimate the "skill" required when using her, all you need are a few unpredictable flowcharts that people will never expect, and with every Xiaoyu I come across there's more shenanigans that’s used. I also noticed she makes people panic for free, especially with how dangerous she is in both neutral and in heat.

I don't know, I feel like even if Knee didn't speak about Xiaoyu being busted it would have emerged and people would have found out eventually, the way she plays in this game is just insane.

Right now Ling actually is super TOP TIER. Some argue even TOP 1 but its hard to say how close exactly is she to the TOP 1 cause she is very char specific and there arent running around tons of Ling mains.

Whereas on the other side its easy to just pick up Drag / Feng / Lili etc. and immediately show the power of the char.

[CrimsonZako]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Right now Ling actually is super TOP TIER. Some argue even TOP 1 but its hard to say how close exactly is she to the TOP 1 cause she is very char specific and there arent running around tons of Ling mains.

Whereas on the other side its easy to just pick up Drag / Feng / Lili etc. and immediately show the power of the char.

I won’t lie, I only seen like 2 Drag’s since the patch, there was a whole page dedicated to Drag nerfs, like b4 after wr 2 now trades with 10f moves, so I think he isn’t top tier anymore. Regarding Lili I think she’s a Xiaoyu but actually designed correctly, sometimes she can be stupid with the back stance 50/50’s and has good evasion but she also has a taller hurtbox and is also a bit slow, the only thing she’s better than Xiaoyu at is range, everything else? Xiaoyu just does better.

I truly think the only one who can rival Xiaoyu is probably Feng, but the reason I think Xiaoyu is better is because you can actually punish a lot of Feng’s lows, most of Xiaoyu’s lows are safe and the only way you can truly punish them is with a low parry, but good luck with that because Bamco doesn’t like defense in their game, and they nerfed it heavily since T7.

[lemstryz]

Originally posted by PKMJ:

Just wait to find people who know her weak points. Then you will have to work harder than them to find an opening. Xiaoyu doesn't rule in tournaments where people know the matchup... she is the best to evade, and that's all.
Rain dance isn't safe at all, if P2 doesn't respect you and keep pressure with his fastest attack, you can only try to mindgame him with a swept or perhaps a side step, all the rest will be crushed just by a string starting with a jab. And with people with longer ranges like Lili or Dragunov, try to trap them with rain dance, they will kill you.
AOP is strong, hypnothist can be tricky, but a korean back dash and P2 is safe. If P2 isn't afraid and goes directly with his jabs to you when you go in hypnothist, you can't attack.
For 50/50, against a good Jin you will loose. he has better 50/50 with longer range. His pressure will be insane on you and you will need to get in neutral fast but then you will have difficulties to go to him because of demon pawn.

When a Xiaoyu will dominate in tournament, we will see. But the pros don't take her for a reason: there are many better characters who will get them the money.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.

[ok i pull up]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLcTqAezzU0

[CrimsonZako]

Originally posted by ok i pull up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLcTqAezzU0

According to @PKMJ and @lemstryz, she's perfectly balanced. Getting constantly pushed in a safe 50/50, perfectly balanced, a pro player getting triple perfected in a tournament? Perfectly. Balanced. I've heard enough, best character in the game no doubt lmao.

[JyoKun]

Originally posted by CrimsonZako:

Originally posted by ok i pull up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLcTqAezzU0

According to @PKMJ and @lemstryz, she's perfectly balanced. Getting constantly pushed in a safe 50/50, perfectly balanced, a pro player getting triple perfected in a tournament? Perfectly. Balanced. I've heard enough, best character in the game no doubt lmao.

I don't say "perfectly balanced"... it's the 1rst year, there is no character balanced.
You speak about "safe 50/50". => Xiaoyu has only 3 safe 50/50 all the rest can be crushed, but uninformed people believe all are safe because they don't lab. You are lazzy.

The 3 safe 50/50 are:
1- run 3 (give you +6) => AOP will beat any attacks here, but you can side step or just block and watch out for a sweep. It's the same for Dragunov with his running 2 (he is safe after it and keep his turn, same for Law with his running kick... in fact all characters has that tool).
2- ff4 (you will be in a +frame) => hypnothist if hit or blocked (you can duck) and beat any attacks... But Korean back dash can save you.
3- From back stance's Heat Smash => Hypnothist in + frame... and every Heat Smashes give you a safe 50/50.

Go count in your main how many safe 50/50 they have. We will see if they have less than Xiaoyu. Xiaoyu is number one ONLY for evadeing attacks, she is a specialist and you need to do the good read to do the proper evade or else you'll be sorry.
So don't speak about what you don't know. As every characters in this game, you will have a knowledge chek above red ranks. Learn your matchup because any players who know frame traps and movements will be a problem for you, and you'll cry for nerf. Tekken is a legacy game, you have 20 years of knowledge to learn, it will take you years.
Again Xiaoyu has a low win rate for a reason. And it's not just "knowing what they are doing", your opponent isn't a bot and know to adapt. Some days ago, a strong Xiaoyu player (Shaoling) did a 3 perfect on his opponent in tournament... and in the same tournament later, a Jin who used well his 50/50 perfected his Xiaoyu. So who are carried or not in this game ? Again when you see the win rate, you'll have a better idea of the reality and not just your sentiment.