The performance nerf of "Hwoarang" is too serious

[DAW4144AAD]

Hwoarang had all of its main technologies nerfed when the sequel went from Tekken 7 to Tekken 8. But now you've nerfed all the changes you made to the minimum at 8. Why did you nerf this Character, which is low in competitions and the lowest winning percentage in rank games, so badly?

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

Activate heat, get your +18, and literally just pick heads or tails. GGs.

At which level these impossible heat rushes occur? I'm red Shinryo, currently.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

Activate heat, get your +18, and literally just pick heads or tails. GGs.

At which level these impossible heat rushes occur? I'm red Shinryo, currently.

This is T8 its not rank dependent.

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af pablonesmrtelny:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

At which level these impossible heat rushes occur? I'm red Shinryo, currently.

This is T8 its not rank dependent.

So what's the objective truth here then, because I feel that my 1100h in T7 carried over T8 and now it's just faster, more options and more beautiful with UE5. Heat is a great tool, it can be used to stop attack, perform fast attack or bate people. Oh the times that I've won with GREAT where I was so close to death just by playing peoples expectations after I started heat. Sometimes never used it sometimes combined it with rage, oh man I'm loving these opportunities to confuse the other player and just outright play them in those situations.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af pablonesmrtelny:

This is T8 its not rank dependent.

So what's the objective truth here then, because I feel that my 1100h in T7 carried over T8 and now it's just faster, more options and more beautiful with UE5. Heat is a great tool, it can be used to stop attack, perform fast attack or bate people. Oh the times that I've won with GREAT where I was so close to death just by playing peoples expectations after I started heat. Sometimes never used it sometimes combined it with rage, oh man I'm loving these opportunities to confuse the other player and just outright play them in those situations.

Skills surely carry over from t7 and subjectively its surely possible to like T8. Its not that likely but I know 10+ people that genuinely do.

Objective truth is just in the extremely different level of offensive options (basicaly all t8 chars would be S+++++++ tier in T7 offensive-wise) which leads to extremely different playstyle.

[Calm Hostage]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

Activate heat, get your +18, and literally just pick heads or tails. GGs.

At which level these impossible heat rushes occur? I'm red Shinryo, currently.

You have df+3+4, an i13 mid from neutral that's also a heat engager. +18 on hit. It's available almost whenever and it's not hard to land. And you should definitely have encountered similar heat engagers by now.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af pablonesmrtelny:

This is T8 its not rank dependent.

So what's the objective truth here then, because I feel that my 1100h in T7 carried over T8 and now it's just faster, more options and more beautiful with UE5. Heat is a great tool, it can be used to stop attack, perform fast attack or bate people. Oh the times that I've won with GREAT where I was so close to death just by playing peoples expectations after I started heat. Sometimes never used it sometimes combined it with rage, oh man I'm loving these opportunities to confuse the other player and just outright play them in those situations.

If you haven't realized yet that you are now getting launched for having your best low blocked, you didn't learn anything at all from the those 1100 hours, sorry to say.

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

If you haven't realized yet that you are now getting launched for having your best low blocked, you didn't learn anything at all from the those 1100 hours, sorry to say.

Only way would be sure would for you to try me against my T8 Hwoarang or my superior T7 1100h Lei, but you seem to live in Canada and laggy buffered match is my cryptonite.

You talk like the game is inherently unfair and I do not agree with you on that point. Only thing that infuriates me in Tekken is that the screen doesn't sometimes speak the truth, because of lag and how Tekken netcode operates. If I see what happens its on me if I loose for not being creative enough. But what do I know, I don't speak your language of frames, which seems silly unless you are thriving to be a tournament pro player and making a living out of this.

Me I'm just happy to play, learn and evolve, schools not for me and I like to keep my hobbies as a hobby not a job.

[Calm Hostage]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

If you haven't realized yet that you are now getting launched for having your best low blocked, you didn't learn anything at all from the those 1100 hours, sorry to say.

Only way would be sure would for you to try me against my T8 Hwoarang or my superior T7 1100h Lei, but you seem to live in Canada and laggy buffered match is my cryptonite.

You talk like the game is inherently unfair and I do not agree with you on that point. Only thing that infuriates me in Tekken is that the screen doesn't sometimes speak the truth, because of lag and how Tekken netcode operates. If I see what happens its on me if I loose for not being creative enough. But what do I know, I don't speak your language of frames, which seems silly unless you are thriving to be a tournament pro player and making a living out of this.

Me I'm just happy to play, learn and evolve, schools not for me and I like to keep my hobbies as a hobby not a job.

Uh, wow, you just went through the entire 5 stages of fighting game grief in 150 words.

You can play however you feel like, no one's stopping you. Just don't tell me Hwo plays the same as before when the numbers are right there.

[BIG D' williamson from mBHS]

I'd be completely okay with Hwo keeping all of his BS if he was steppable. I really don't like seeing him pivot 90 degrees constantly mid string. He's a cancer character as is. All gimmicks, no substance. Bad design and you're encouraged to play him like this because he doesn't have any real tools.

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

You can play however you feel like, no one's stopping you. Just don't tell me Hwo plays the same as before when the numbers are right there.

No most definitely I won't, I'm saying it's so much EASIER AFTER the patch. The game seems more balanced. I already stated this before and I'm not the kind to ♥♥♥♥♥ about numbers even if they weren't in my favour. So more of this kind of patching and T8 will soon be as great as T7 was balance wise.

It's you who is stuck with the numbers I just game.

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af roscosimmons:

I'd be completely okay with Hwo keeping all of his BS if he was steppable. I really don't like seeing him pivot 90 degrees constantly mid string. He's a cancer character as is. All gimmicks, no substance. Bad design and you're encouraged to play him like this because he doesn't have any real tools.

You should lab punishment training. HW is same like Lei was. Open in situations where he is setting up stances. Control the gap and don't feed your face in to his legs. I'm being constantly out played if I try to go to setups against players who knows something about Tekken. People shouting "gimmicks" or using the word "unga" are projecting their lvl of "git gud" on this and that's not the reality of Tekken IMO.

[Calm Hostage]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

schools not for me and I like to keep my hobbies as a hobby not a job.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

It's you who is stuck with the numbers I just game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

You should lab punishment training. HW is same like Lei was. Open in situations where he is setting up stances. Control the gap and don't feed your face in to his legs. I'm being constantly out played if I try to go to setups against players who knows something about Tekken. People shouting "gimmicks" or using the word "unga" are projecting their lvl of "git gud" on this and that's not the reality of Tekken IMO.

"I refuse to learn the nuts and bolts of the game"

"My gimmicks aren't real, if you're losing to them, you need to start labbing more"

Hwoarang players not beating the allegations today, I see.

I don't claim this guy.

[Damien]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

"I refuse to learn the nuts and bolts of the game"

"My gimmicks aren't real, if you're losing to them, you need to start labbing more"

Hwoarang players not beating the allegations today, I see.

I don't claim this guy.

I don't understand you either so guess were even?

[YT_RealDahmni]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Damien:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calm Hostage:

"I refuse to learn the nuts and bolts of the game"

"My gimmicks aren't real, if you're losing to them, you need to start labbing more"

Hwoarang players not beating the allegations today, I see.

I don't claim this guy.

I don't understand you either so guess were even?

imo now were getting there

[Damien]

Look I don't need to lab. Like I said I've played games so long its a second nature for me to recognise what goes on the screen, I don't "need" to lab I see it when I make a mistake I eat ♥♥♥♥ and I know what mistake I did. Was it wrong getup, not using my fast jab, not spin jab, wrong place to press a button or because I didn't press a button. It's clear and easy to see and I try to improve upon that as I play more. Play more, let the gaming be your master and you shall learn. That's the way I see things.

Who ever does it differently, you do you o/

[DEiTY]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kiteless 凧無し:

He has the lowest win rate at Fujin+ because no one with an actual functional brain plays Hwoarang

the reason i cant play with my brain is most of the time because of my opponents terrible blocking skill..