SPACING

[[RNGR|x|GORO]]

Any tips on how to get better at spacing now that KBD has been nerfed, almost all moves (including throws) track and my opponent is always doing + moves?

[Tourette's Guy]

Combine backdash with sidesteps and don't throw unsafe moves out of the blue. Learn your character, don't use the same strings over and over, change your gameplay and don't let your opponent figure out your gameplan.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by CRMNL|GORO:

Any tips on how to get better at spacing now that KBD has been nerfed, almost all moves (including throws) track and my opponent is always doing + moves?

Powercrushes start their armour at frame 8. Most people don't go for a jab when in plus so armour usually wins in such fake frame traps. But not every character has a good powercrush.

kbd is gone but regular backdash seems better. most characters also have long range moves to help with keeping distance.

[AvidExpert]

KBD is still fully viable, IDK who told you it wasn't.

It's also better than regular backdash by about 83x.

Here is my advice Crimson, because you obviously have legacy info/knowledge, just stick to it, ignore the salty new kids, progress.

KBD is still how you play.

Spacing wtih KBD is still how you play.

SS is still how you play

Punishing is still how you play.

CH fishing/defence in general is still how you play.

Tournies reflect what I said.

Pro sets vs the best in world look like what I said.

Pro's still advocate defence, some of best players in this forum still play very defencively.

The monkeys mash and claim its only viable strat tho.

Who you wanna listen to all the good players, Tourny results etc Or forum Golums? You choose.

Btw I just met a Jin who is going to be better than 99.9% of this forum even though he's new, because he's playing defencively, learning defence and has i20 reaction time mnimum to lows. (very good tbh)

Not only would he whoop most people in this forum, once the game is patched he'll already be in home turf, you all will be stuck in readjusting phase.

Just play game properly, learn it properly, don't fk yourself with flowcharts.

Nothing changed from T7 except some people realizing they were mashers even in T7, and they're coping in odd ways in t8 about it.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by CRMNL|GORO:

Any tips on how to get better at spacing now that KBD has been nerfed, almost all moves (including throws) track and my opponent is always doing + moves?

pick your best approach move or two - space just behind the range of that move for 0,0001 seconds and then dash in and throw it out. Attack.

You can do fake dash ins if you wanna bait him.

I had a whole thread where I explained the T8 meta. I see a lot of those questions around. T8 indeed is not T7 - not by a mile. You need to be very active and throw a lot of moves out. One thing is you have to make sure you BLOCK AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. Best is to avoid interactions completely and initiate on your own and if you get initiated on you gotta try to block what you have to and then mash out or something.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1778820/discussions/0/4334230024927533188/

[C1REX]

Originally posted by D2 = Failed Electric.:

KBD is still fully viable, IDK who told you it wasn't.

I'm not trying to make some Tekken theories as I don't have enough knowledge.
I'm just repeating what at least 3 pros suggest to newer players. Some call it a bad, old habbit.

https://youtube.com/shorts/QCfoaumvaEc?si=so3rFss5vebCy3kM

I think it was K-Wiss and PhidDX who said something similar. That kbd has downsides and it's not necessary worth doing any more as you add extra frames of down block when you can get clipped while regular backdash is more tight.

I think it's still debatable but definitely doesn't look like all pros see it the same.

[progste]

KBD is still there and KBD itself was not nerfed, just backdashes in general (but some characters still have a decent backdash).

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by D2 = Failed Electric.:

KBD is still fully viable, IDK who told you it wasn't.

I'm not trying to make some Tekken theories as I don't have enough knowledge.
I'm just repeating what at least 3 pros suggest to newer players. Some call it a bad, old habbit.

https://youtube.com/shorts/QCfoaumvaEc?si=so3rFss5vebCy3kM

I think it was K-Wiss and PhidDX who said something similar. That kbd has downsides and it's not necessary worth doing any more as you add extra frames of down block when you can get clipped while regular backdash is more tight.

I think it's still debatable but definitely doesn't look like all pros see it the same.

I mean KBD was nerfed heavily by tons of things but generally it still is A MUST. You gotta get out ASAP more than in any other tekken game - it just involves more risk now due to more big range easy to throw out moves - nerfed backdash into the ground and of course the infamous and very real netcode eating your inputs so moves like Jin ff2 or any other rangy move you throw out often are buffed to heavens while kbd against that nerfed.

But in many situations where you expect engagement KBD might not be worth it cause you will just get clipped.

that bb spam or armor can be a superior choice in close quarters.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

that bb spam or armor can be a superior choice in close quarters.

I’m not willing to die on the hill of „kbd is dead” but if even pros question the validity of using it with just 1 or 2 frames of vulnerability then what about casuals like me who would have more such bad frames + slower than pro movement + more added weight to mental stack?

How well executed the kbd must to be to be worth using? How many frames for cancellation is acceptable?

I’m personally happy that normal backdash is usable now. I hope that the new patch will make defending even easier.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

that bb spam or armor can be a superior choice in close quarters.

I’m not willing to die on the hill of „kbd is dead” but if even pros question the validity of using it with just 1 or 2 frames of vulnerability then what about casuals like me who would have more such bad frames + slower than pro movement + more added weight to mental stack?

How well executed the kbd must to be to be worth using? How many frames for cancellation is acceptable?

I’m personally happy that normal backdash is usable now. I hope that the new patch will make defending even easier.

That is really close up though. On range 2-2,5 everyone will be using kbd for spacing. Or when you got a read he won't press into you. Generally if you think he will press you should never kbd anyways.

Even average KBD is worth it - I mean if you see you are moving faster than the bb spam its worth it. Depends what specifically you need.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

That is really close up though. On range 2-2,5 everyone will be using kbd for spacing. Or when you got a read he won't press into you. Generally if you think he will press you should never kbd anyways.

Even average KBD is worth it - I mean if you see you are moving faster than the bb spam its worth it. Depends what specifically you need.

It seems this is becoming a big subject of discussion right now. There is a big topic on top of Tekken reddit right now about that.

There were another topic on reddit showing a video of Chickurin (Evo Japan 2014 winner) saying he stopped using kbd since T8.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/Ph4pcR5yKR

Again, I’m not saying he is wrong or right but that it’s interesting that there even is such discussion.

I can’t do it well so I have no choice anyway :)

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

That is really close up though. On range 2-2,5 everyone will be using kbd for spacing. Or when you got a read he won't press into you. Generally if you think he will press you should never kbd anyways.

Even average KBD is worth it - I mean if you see you are moving faster than the bb spam its worth it. Depends what specifically you need.

It seems this is becoming a big subject of discussion right now. There is a big topic on top of Tekken reddit right now about that.

There were another topic on reddit showing a video of Chickurin (Evo Japan 2014 winner) saying he stopped using kbd since T8.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/Ph4pcR5yKR

Again, I’m not saying he is wrong or right but that it’s interesting that there even is such discussion.

I can’t do it well so I have no choice anyway :)

I mean there is legitimate point in not using it especially with the buggy online but there is no doubt its still useful. Also its just another casino bet so it even fits into the game better! :D

[C1REX]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Also its just another casino bet so it even fits into the game better! :D

LOL

[Kat The Wolfheart]

No need to KBD when you can play a scrub :))