Jin players are the most skilless flowchart monkeys in the game

[Shalfey]

Pretty much the topic. There's little to no characters in the game that are, due to the game being dumbed down, feel as bad to play against, because it's just basically a pachinko character with 0 demand for movement\mind games

[progste]

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Originally posted by progste:

Which translates to: don't you dare do anything but hold back for as long as he's in heat.
As for interrupting it that's only if you get a hard read on it with perfect timing.
And if you succesfully block it he still has the advantage and gets to 50/50 you from his stance.

You know that each character has this option, right? Not every character has breaking step, but everyone is plus on block plus some also have special stance from blocked HS, like Yoshimitsu's copter

yeah right, try using Kazuya's heat smash like that.

[Shalfey]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Shalfey:

Pretty much the topic. There's little to no characters in the game that are, due to the game being dumbed down, feel as bad to play against, because it's just basically a pachinko character with 0 demand for movement\mind games

I mean Jin is really a monkey level char in T8 but unfortunately...

He is not alone :/

When the game came out I was losing my mind how they allowed Jin to be this way but the longer I play the more I realize there is just so much wrong in this game that Jin is one of million issues.

I'd say that about a lot of characters in T8, unfortunately. With drag and DJ nerfed, I think Jin, Leroy and Law are the biggest offenders in this category tbh. Most of these guys you see around Tekken king are guys that got there with like 30-40 in blocking (them and yoshi mains, lmao), and all they do is mash and flowchart, 0 defense, 0 matchup knowledge, and they fall for ♥♥♥♥, that red ranks with reasonable characters don't fall for. I think it's a systematic problem with just an overwhelming amount of +frames on every one of those characters with little to no downsides. Offense just doesn't come with enough cost in this game. I do get that T7 in the end was a boring backdash fest, but "fixing it " by enabling just mashing your way through problems is not a solution

[processor.dev1l]

Originally posted by progste:

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

You know that each character has this option, right? Not every character has breaking step, but everyone is plus on block plus some also have special stance from blocked HS, like Yoshimitsu's copter

yeah right, try using Kazuya's heat smash like that.

Right, Kazuya's HS is -14 OB, maybe because it starts with a low?

[C1REX]

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Originally posted by progste:

Which translates to: don't you dare do anything but hold back for as long as he's in heat.
As for interrupting it that's only if you get a hard read on it with perfect timing.
And if you succesfully block it he still has the advantage and gets to 50/50 you from his stance.

You know that each character has this option, right? Not every character has breaking step, but everyone is plus on block plus some also have special stance from blocked HS, like Yoshimitsu's copter

Not everybody is plus on block or has a good heatsmash.
All low HS are at least -14 on block.
Alisa's heatsmash is so bad you rarely see anybody using it. Most Alisa's players use heat dash instead.

[processor.dev1l]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

You know that each character has this option, right? Not every character has breaking step, but everyone is plus on block plus some also have special stance from blocked HS, like Yoshimitsu's copter

Not everybody is plus on block or has a good heatsmash.
All low HS are at least -14 on block.
Alisa's heatsmash is so bad you rarely see anybody using it. Most Alisa's players use heat dash instead.

Yeah, that sounds like a fair trade, Victor's HS -15 OB, Bryan's +15 OB

[Goblin24Rus]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Goblin24Rus:

What exactly is wrong with him?

D2 for example. Or his frames in general. Or his combo damage with walls. Or his insane oki game that if you guess wrong you get relaunched from the ground. Or always stupid high damage hellsweep. Or chip damage on heat. There is probably more that also apply to most characters so not unique to Jin really.

1)d2 -14 on block, this is EXACTLY the same move as Kazuya D1+2, it is also -14 on block and also has a full combo on СH. So why do you think Kazuya’s move is weak, but Jin’s move is poor?
2) Seriously, do you think the average of 23-26 damage against a wall is high? this is even below average, don’t talk nonsense. Dragunov, even AFTER NERF, has about 40 damage, Brian has about 45, you’re not competent.
3) If you don’t know how to stand on an oki, then this is only an indicator of your skill, and not the character’s brokenness, the same can be said about almost every character, Hvo, Dragunov, Brayn, Paul, Lee, etc. can do the same Almost all characters in the game have tools.
4) Hell of a sweep deals 31 damage and has -31F on block. MINUS THIRTY ONE, this is ALWAYS a full launcher combo, Compared to T7 there, it had 51-56 damage and was never considered imbalanced. In the same way, Kazuya’s Hell of a sweep has 31 damage, and if it’s an action under heat, then it’s 45 damage, and if we’re talking about DJ, then it’s 45 damage, so why is it broken if this is the weakest Hell of a sweep among all Mishim?
5)What's wrong with heat damage? It’s about average, do Hwo or Dragunov have much more?
Bottom line: Everything you wrote does not mean that Jin is a strong character, but that you are a weak player

[processor.dev1l]

Originally posted by Goblin24Rus:

Originally posted by C1REX:

D2 for example. Or his frames in general. Or his combo damage with walls. Or his insane oki game that if you guess wrong you get relaunched from the ground. Or always stupid high damage hellsweep. Or chip damage on heat. There is probably more that also apply to most characters so not unique to Jin really.

1)d2 -14 on block, this is EXACTLY the same move as Kazuya D1+2, it is also -14 on block and also has a full combo on СH. So why do you think Kazuya’s move is weak, but Jin’s move is poor?
2) Seriously, do you think the average of 23-26 damage against a wall is high? this is even below average, don’t talk nonsense. Dragunov, even AFTER NERF, has about 40 damage, Brian has about 45, you’re not competent.
3) If you don’t know how to stand on an oki, then this is only an indicator of your skill, and not the character’s brokenness, the same can be said about almost every character, Hvo, Dragunov, Brayn, Paul, Lee, etc. can do the same Almost all characters in the game have tools.
4) Hell of a sweep deals 31 damage and has -31F on block. MINUS THIRTY ONE, this is ALWAYS a full launcher combo, Compared to T7 there, it had 51-56 damage and was never considered imbalanced. In the same way, Kazuya’s Hell of a sweep has 31 damage, and if it’s an action under heat, then it’s 45 damage, and if we’re talking about DJ, then it’s 45 damage, so why is it broken if this is the weakest Hell of a sweep among all Mishim?
5)What's wrong with heat damage? It’s about average, do Hwo or Dragunov have much more?
Bottom line: Everything you wrote does not mean that Jin is a strong character, but that you are a weak player

Nah, you don't get it, They cannot react to Jin's d2 because it's apparently a God move, but they have zero trouble blocking heat smashes that start with a low...

[kiteless 凧無し]

I’m Tekken god on Xiaoyu and i never trained to block anything in training mode

The game is basically land heat engager, 50/50 vortex blender, rinse and repeat

It often feels like first person who lands a heat engager, launcher or counter hit wins the round. So many perfects in this game

And no, I didn’t even get close to Tekken God in Tekken 7

I’m honestly just shocked at what they did to this game. It shouldn’t feel this brain dead and straight forward

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Goblin24Rus:

Everything you wrote does not mean that Jin is a strong character, but that you are a weak player

Both things can be true at the same time and not related in any way.
I can be a weak player and Jin can be strong. Top 5 even. Also how many actually good players we have in this topic? Are you one?
Even pro players complain about D2. It's on a verge of being reactable while being a high crush CH launcher. Some characters can launch punish D2 but not everybody has a WS i14 launcher.
Super Akouma was very vocal about this move in one podcast and how it's one of the strongest moves in the game.
Hellsweeps are always stupid. It doesn't matter if it's minus 16 or minus 50 when it's leads to the same punish. Hellsweep it's a true casino that works in favour of Jin. Many players want this kind of moves to be deleted from the game. There are some wake up situations where his HS is almost or trully unavoidable and you only have an option to take smaller or bigger damage depending how you guess to wake up.

[KrossKounter]

Don't worry guys, this game is gonna be good in 2-3 years time.. When they add like 10 more ranks, revamp how ranked words entirely and re-enable defensive gameplay.
By that time Tekken God will be the new green ranks and actual good players will be at Tekken omega universe destroyer IV alpha or some crap.

Ontopic: Jin is actually braindead tho. But don't expect Jin players, especially those who had 0 success in T7, to admit it. They wanna feel special for reaching whatever rank they reached. Tho I know a bunch of Jin players who fully admit how dumb he is currently. I even have one friend who hates Jin, but plays him anyways now because he's so stupid and effortless.

[processor.dev1l]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

-I’m Tekken god on Xiaoyu
-i never trained to block anything in training mode

Yeah, that about checks out 🤣

[天佑中共🐥the light]

lab is for nerds
shakaijins use youtube

[processor.dev1l]

I think Xiaoyu is one of those characters you just don't lab. I mean, I had 1133 matches in ranked so far. From those only 16 were Xiaoyu. So sure, I can take an L once in a while, I also met and lost to a Panda once, the 0% winrate there really doesn't concern me, just like my 43% winrate against Xiaoyu :D

[BananaAnna69]

Originally posted by Shalfey:

Pretty much the topic. There's little to no characters in the game that are, due to the game being dumbed down, feel as bad to play against, because it's just basically a pachinko character with 0 demand for movement\mind games

True.
Jin can carry you lots. d2 counetr launcher, legsweep with follow up, that dropkick (4) out of stance. Funny that now in T8 while the game is faster its harder to low parry 1d3,4 (i guess)

Oh and his heat smash does over 70 dmg...i mean you need the skilless ppl somehow.

Originally posted by processor.dev1l:

Originally posted by progste:

Which translates to: don't you dare do anything but hold back for as long as he's in heat.
As for interrupting it that's only if you get a hard read on it with perfect timing.
And if you succesfully block it he still has the advantage and gets to 50/50 you from his stance.

You know that each character has this option, right? Not every character has breaking step, but everyone is plus on block plus some also have special stance from blocked HS, like Yoshimitsu's copter

U a Jin main ? That game has tons of unbalanced stuff. IF you would have been gud in T7...kekw mabye Brawler. And dont tell ppl to join a "discord" to get "teached" T8 is a masher game. ANd Jins are hard carried with the tools they have compared to T7.......and now chill and stop fangirling for Jin

[BananaAnna69]

Originally posted by Ryoda:

Don't worry guys, this game is gonna be good in 2-3 years time.. When they add like 10 more ranks, revamp how ranked words entirely and re-enable defensive gameplay.
By that time Tekken God will be the new green ranks and actual good players will be at Tekken omega universe destroyer IV alpha or some crap.

Ontopic: Jin is actually braindead tho. But don't expect Jin players, especially those who had 0 success in T7, to admit it. They wanna feel special for reaching whatever rank they reached. Tho I know a bunch of Jin players who fully admit how dumb he is currently. I even have one friend who hates Jin, but plays him anyways now because he's so stupid and effortless.

100% sadly