Not a level playing field - Case: Panda

[T1g3r]

Its a joke, how underpowered Panda is compared to the rest of the cast

ofc, if the opponent doesnt know anything about bears, panda can get cheesy wins (but this is true for every char really)

if the oppponent knows the matchup and their own char well, its simply not a even level playing field, especially some chars have so many better frames and faster moves, and the panda player must have god mode defence and reads, not funny to only work with mental frames

@ devs, panda needs more buffs, its not even funny:
- better frames, almost nothing is plus, or not plus enough (on block and hit)
- heat smash should not be interruptable mid way through the animation, faster heat burst and smash needed fosho
- range of many attacks is a joke (its a bear and has less range than other chars which are smaller in size)
- other chars auto-evade important lows in key situations (Alisa and DJ by flying over them)
- movement is a joke, other chars with good standard movement even get kempo moves (Feng, Steve, King, Jin, Asucena,... long list) creating space backwards and then fast long range attack forwards, better movement tools r needed
- attacks are ridiculously linear and have tiny hitboxes (in general the 3D aspect in Tekken 8 is a joke, its not 3D, not even 2.5), moves need more tracking (at least some key moves)
- often Panda falls into grounded with the head away fromm opponent, too often, very bad position for Panda
- maybe a bug: when Panda is grounded face towards opponent, sometimes d1+2 is not executed correctly, but Panda gets up in hunter stance face AWAY from opponent, doesnt make any sense

[T1g3r]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

Oprindeligt skrevet af T1g3r:

they are chars as any other char - there is no law that they must be a joke, every char must be viable

Joke characters are viable & people are certainly making Panda work.

yeah, the better player makes Panda work atm, but given an even skill level the non-Panda player wins

stop derayling the threat, this threat doesnt need "Tekken experts" like u lmao (next the blind talks about colors)

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Panda Won- Remember that.

[Cinder]

lol, just because you think something doesnt make it fact... you do know this right?

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af T1g3r:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

Joke characters are viable, & people are certainly making Panda work.

stop derayling the threat, this threat

doesnt need "Tekken experts" like u lmao

(next the blind talks about colors)

Oprindeligt skrevet af T1g3r:

Not a level playing field - Case: Panda
Its a joke, how underpowered Panda is compared to the rest of the cast

You are aware "I am responding to what You Put" as the title Correct?..

[T1g3r]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cinder:

lol, just because you think something doesnt make it fact... you do know this right?

I presented sound arguments, even the opinion of a Tekken Panda streamer (if u dont believe me and my arguments for whatever reason, listen to him) - havent heard any real counter arguments yet, except the pseudo-argument "Panda's win rate is highest" (even if the statistics are true, the numbers itself dont tell why Panda's win rate is highest - certainly not because Panda is OP, but rather because those few who play Panda are dedicated and skilled players who win ALTHOUGH they play Panda; well, and the fact that many players probably dont know the matchup enough - but those few who do give Panda players a hard time)

[Zagryzaec]

There is nothing pseudo in the winrates. It's way harder to play vs panda than vs most other characters.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af T1g3r:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cinder:

lol, just because you think something doesnt make it fact... you do know this right?

I presented sound arguments, even the opinion of a Tekken Panda streamer (if u dont believe me and my arguments for whatever reason, listen to him) - havent heard any real counter arguments yet, except the pseudo-argument "Panda's win rate is highest" (even if the statistics are true, the numbers itself dont tell why Panda's win rate is highest - certainly not because Panda is OP, but rather because those few who play Panda are dedicated and skilled players who win ALTHOUGH they play Panda; well, and the fact that many players probably dont know the matchup enough - but those few who do give Panda players a hard time)

whats different about panda vs kuma .. most of panda's moves are the same but the new moves are based around limited range. Kuma has more power and pushback Panda has more mixup options. Does panda have better WS options, a better backstep or sidestep, than Kuma?

[PremiumG98]

this character does one launcher, gets you to the wall and gets 80% of your health, bears arent weak

[Good Person]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

Oprindeligt skrevet af T1g3r:

Its a joke, how under-powered Panda is compared to the rest of the cast.

ofc, if the opponent doesn't know anything about bears, panda can get cheesy wins (but this is true for every char really)

if the opponent knows the match-up and their own char well, its simply not a even level playing field, especially some chars have so many better frames and faster moves, and the panda player must have god mode defense and reads, not funny to only work with mental frames

@ devs, panda needs more buffs, its not even funny:
- better frames, almost nothing is plus, or not plus enough (on block and hit)
- heat smash should not be uninterruptible mid way through the animation, faster heat burst and smash needed frosh
- range of many attacks is a joke (its a bear and has less range than other chars which are smaller in size)
- other chars auto-evade important lows in key situations (Alisa and DJ by flying over them)
- movement is a joke,

other chars with good standard movement even get Kempo moves (Feng, Steve, King, Jin, Azucena,... long list

) creating space backwards and then fast long range attack forwards, better movement tools are'r needed
- attacks are ridiculously linear and have tiny hit-boxes (in general the 3D aspect in Tekken 8 is a joke, its not 3D, not even 2.5), moves need more tracking (at least some key moves)
- often Panda falls into grounded with the head away from opponent, too often, very bad position for Panda.
- maybe a bug: when Panda is grounded face towards opponent, sometimes d1+2 is not executed correctly, but Panda gets up in hunter stance face AWAY from opponent, doesn't make any sense

What are Kempo moves?

Since I don't think anyone answered, I believe they're referencing certain moves that backstep/are generally evasiv3 into either a launch or kd. Like Leo's db3 or Azus db3+4

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Good Person:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

What are Kempo moves?

Since I don't think anyone answered, I believe they're referencing certain moves that backstep/are generally evasiv3 into either a launch or kd. Like Leo's db3 or Azus db3+4

ah Thank you :D

lets see.
ss*u3
does a evade into a hopkick launcher if timed proper, plenty of time..
*looks for more
ws2
down for 6 frames then press 2 to launch..
or ws 1,2

I don't think panda needs a easy button like Kempo whatnot hesaid

She has plenty of evasive tools based from what I just looked at..

[C1REX]

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whats different about panda vs kuma ..

Panda has different hitbox due to slightly smaller size what leads to less consistent or weaker combos especially against the smallest characters.
Also Kuma has super good heat moves when Panda doesn’t.

https://youtu.be/lBpDqwK5EIw?si=usyBApu5r0QJ2tKl

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

Oprindeligt skrevet af C1REX:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

whats different about panda vs kuma ..

Panda has different hitbox due to slightly smaller size what leads to less consistent or weaker combos especially against the smallest characters.
Also Kuma has super good heat moves when Panda doesn’t.

https://youtu.be/lBpDqwK5EIw?si=usyBApu5r0QJ2tKl

I just see spam that needs nerf.. not sure what else is there.

[C1REX]

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Panda has different hitbox due to slightly smaller size what leads to less consistent or weaker combos especially against the smallest characters.
Also Kuma has super good heat moves when Panda doesn’t.

https://youtu.be/lBpDqwK5EIw?si=usyBApu5r0QJ2tKl

I just see spam that needs nerf.. not sure what else is there.

Bears got big buffs.
Now they have insane heat with chip damage when everything is plus on block.
Also a reminder that they have an unbreakable throw that deletes grey health. Very few characters in the game has such mechanics.
https://youtu.be/EKgrHXeKvJU?si=E5xkQTlCxOYZIXah

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

I just see spam that needs nerf.. not sure what else is there.

Bears got big buffs.
Now they have insane heat with chip damage when everything is plus on block.
Also a reminder that they have an unbreakable throw that deletes grey health. Very few characters in the game has such mechanics.
https://youtu.be/EKgrHXeKvJU?si=E5xkQTlCxOYZIXah

sounds like they are the next on the chopping block. or they will scale damage to some insane amounts. I don't see them keeping 4-5 EWGF's when its just boring to watch which defeats the whole point of making tekken 8 aggressive build. I am happy to hear defense (in general) will get some work in the next patch.. I just hope they dont make heat activation have some sort of Shockwave.. like a Roman cancel like Strive..

[C1REX]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sown-Laughter:

Oprindeligt skrevet af C1REX:

Bears got big buffs.
Now they have insane heat with chip damage when everything is plus on block.
Also a reminder that they have an unbreakable throw that deletes grey health. Very few characters in the game has such mechanics.
https://youtu.be/EKgrHXeKvJU?si=E5xkQTlCxOYZIXah

I don't see them keeping 4-5 EWGF's when its just boring to watch

To be fair it’s unlikely to see 5 electrics combo as you need a full heat meter for that. 3 or 2 electrics are more common.
I personally prefer being hit by 5 electrics than watching a 20seconds, 100hits combos finished by a long rage art.
I’m personally not a fan of long combos.