How is Dragunov top tier?

[Kakihara]

There are way more OP characters than him. He seems pretty standard to me with no crazy BS like Jin for example.

[FoxHound]

Good pokes, good pressure, top 3 wall carry, top 3 pressure at wall, top 3 combo damage.

[kiteless 凧無し]

relentless pressure, plus frames for days, constantly frame trapped, he is the best character in the game right now

dunno what rank you are but you'll soon see how busted he is at the top level

[Cpt Obvious]

+ frames

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

relentless pressure, plus frames for days, constantly frame trapped, he is the best character in the game right now

dunno what rank you are but you'll soon see how busted he is at the top level

You forgot best KBD in the game too. From what I've seen from discussions from people who tested them all, his KBD is currently the best there is.

[Kakihara]

Originally posted by C.C. スパークル:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

You forgot best KBD in the game too. From what I've seen from discussions from people who tested them all, his KBD is currently the best there is.

KBD?

[I predict the past]

What crazy bs does Jin have exactly?

[Pelikan]

Because has has no weaknesses and everything he does is top 3 : his pressure/ frames on block, poking at all ranges, throw game, combos, overall damage, wall damage, heat smash ( ok not top 3 but still really good), reversals etc.. and he is quite accessible to use on top of it.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Kakihara:

KBD?

Korean Backdash.

It's a backdash cancel where you cancel a backdash into crouch then cancel the crouch into a backdash, then just repeat the two steps as much as needed.

[Arbor]

Originally posted by Matthew:

What crazy bs does Jin have exactly?

Nothing other than being easy to play. He's basic Tekken.

[I predict the past]

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

Originally posted by Matthew:

What crazy bs does Jin have exactly?

Nothing other than being easy to play. He's basic Tekken.

Ya, but if the OP thinks Jin is superior to Dragunov, I'm very curious about their reasoning because that's a very interesting take

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by Matthew:

Originally posted by blackzephyers:

Nothing other than being easy to play. He's basic Tekken.

Ya, but if the OP thinks Jin is superior to Dragunov, I'm very curious about their reasoning because that's a very interesting take

I would rank Jin in the top 10 personally, but he is no way near Dragunov in terms of raw efficiency out of the box IMHO.

I mean how fast you can delete someone with Drag, how generous your frames are, how brutal your flowcharts are, how complete your throw game is, how scary your wall combo is and how terrifying you overall damage is compared to Jin.

But Jin is no slouch, if you watch CBM play him in a recent Korean ATL tournament, he can be extremely strong in expert hands. His new moves like d2 ( similar to Drag) or the one that makes you jump in the air (which gives JIn some evasiveness ) are pretty good.

And Jin's jab is also better now, I mean in general Jin is one of the best poke character and has some really strong stuffs at his disposal to play the counter attacking game IMHO.

[C1REX]

Do tier lists even matter below god ranks?
I personally prefer fighting Drag than King or some string heavy characters.

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Do tier lists even matter below god ranks?
I personally prefer fighting Drag than King or some string heavy characters.

You are right , it is so difficult to make any tier list now....

Basically there are 5 or 6 God Tier characters, and then everyone else.. Really hard to say who is better than the other for the moment when it is not a broken char.

Like even Kuma or Panda, they always used to be the weakest but now, well it is not so clear to me.

[ShadowSplit]

You have a character that beach rock can play on high level. I don't know how he wouldn't be OP.

[Azor]

Originally posted by FoxHound:

Good pokes, good pressure, top 3 wall carry, top 3 pressure at wall, top 3 combo damage.

On top of that, he also has a full throw game.