no king is underpowered

[Guilty Queer -PRIDE- ❤]

throws are too easy to tech you can just push a bunch of buttons and get out of the throws Stompnado is wrong

[Pelikan]

Origineel geplaatst door Bromar Jittle:

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King is top 10 but he does not have mobility. Worst back dash in the game and not a very good sidestep either.

He has Jaguar step which is one of the best evasive move in the game, he does not really need to back dash.

Besides he is always in your face or not far from it, and backdashing is useless at this range ( you might get hit if you do, backdashing is useful at poking range to make your opponent whiff) ,whereas Jaguar step is actually very good at these range due to covering more distance.

His step is ok, not Reina or Lilli's standards but still in line with the average i'd say ( he is no Jack or Kuma) . And it is not like he really needs it tbh :)

[willy bammy]

Origineel geplaatst door Pelikan:

He has Jaguar step which is one of the best evasive move in the game, he does not really need to back dash.

Besides he is always in your face or not far from it, and backdashing is useless at this range ( you might get hit if you do, backdashing is useful at poking range to make your opponent whiff) ,whereas Jaguar step is actually very good at these range due to covering more distance.

His step is ok, not Reina or Lilli's standards but still in line with the average i'd say ( he is no Jack or Kuma) . And it is not like he really needs it tbh :)

Back dash > Jaguar Step. You cannot block during JS and can be floated during it. It's a double edged sword. It's generally a poor idea to backwards JS when right in front of the enemy, just increasing your chances of eating damage.

King also is not always in your face unless you are just letting him be, I find he doesn't do too well against players that can space him out and defend well. He's not a pressure machine.

His sidestep definitely seems worse than it used to be, I find myself unable to sidestep Drag WR2 anymore. But muscle armor compensates for it.

[Jaguar Sprint]

Origineel geplaatst door Pelikan:

Origineel geplaatst door Bromar Jittle:

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King is top 10 but he does not have mobility. Worst back dash in the game and not a very good sidestep either.

He has Jaguar step which is one of the best evasive move in the game, he does not really need to back dash.

Besides he is always in your face or not far from it, and backdashing is useless at this range ( you might get hit if you do, backdashing is useful at poking range to make your opponent whiff) ,whereas Jaguar step is actually very good at these range due to covering more distance.

His step is ok, not Reina or Lilli's standards but still in line with the average i'd say ( he is no Jack or Kuma) . And it is not like he really needs it tbh :)

Jaguar step is insanely dangerous to pull off if you're within grab range, what you on about ??

[Azor]

AFAIK he is the only character with 50/50 throws, and has decent mids to check you.

That he relies on throws means he's lacking in other areas offensively, compared to other characters, but now that throws track and can counter hit, he's become a menace.

[Jaguar Sprint]

Origineel geplaatst door Azor:

AFAIK he is the only character with 50/50 throws, and has decent mids to check you.

That he relies on throws means he's lacking in other areas offensively, compared to other characters, but now that throws track and can counter hit, he's become a menace.

Yeah, I wish he got more strings that are not related to throws, since the most advanced bro gets is literally a 3-hit combo into a grab. Everything else is just you playing the poking game

[Pelikan]

Origineel geplaatst door Jaguar Sprint:

Jaguar step is insanely dangerous to pull off if you're within grab range, what you on about ??

You are right, I meant at fairly close range to get the opponent to whiff. If you do it from too far you will not whiff punish. I should have worded it differently, apologies.

You can be hit too when you backdash within grabbing range though.

I am not sure King has a problem with mobility, I don't see any weakness with him but i respect your opinion.

Origineel geplaatst door Bromar Jittle:

King also is not always in your face unless you are just letting him be, I find he doesn't do too well against players that can space him out and defend well. He's not a pressure machine.

His sidestep definitely seems worse than it used to be, I find myself unable to sidestep Drag WR2 anymore. But muscle armor compensates for it.

I would actually say that he is a pressure machine to be honest :)

He can 12 frames grab you from a mile away even if you stepped, has his jaguar sprint, many of his moves overpower opponents and do insane damage so he can trade favourably most of the time. Plus his poking is top notch at any range.

Ok he is not Drag but to me he is one of the best at pressuring in his own special way, not like Jun or Hwoarang who pepper you with hits but still an oppressive presence that is very hard to defend against, at least for me.

[willy bammy]

Origineel geplaatst door Pelikan:

I would actually say that he is a pressure machine to be honest :)

He can grab you from a mile away, has his jaguar sprint, many of his moves overpower opponents and do insane damage so he can trade favourably most of the time. Ok he is not Drag but to me he is one of the best at pressuring in his own special way, not like Jun or Hwoarang who pepper you with hits but still an oppressive presence that is very hard to defend against, at least for me.

What tools exactly does he have to pressure with? Sure he has very good poking, but poking isn't pressure. A shining wizard from a mile away is insanely predictable and maybe his easiest throw to break when he does it like that. A raw jaguar sprint is very counterable, and really you just need to not duck when he has a forced mixup with it. RKO is reactable.
You don't get to press buttons as much as you'd like to on King. He loses his turn on a lot of stuff.
He's a lot more counter hit oriented honestly given the CH throw buff and he still has his df2 and shove.

[Pelikan]

Origineel geplaatst door Bromar Jittle:

What tools exactly does he have to pressure with? Sure he has very good poking, but poking isn't pressure. A shining wizard from a mile away is insanely predictable and maybe his easiest throw to break when he does it like that. A raw jaguar sprint is very counterable, and really you just need to not duck when he has a forced mixup with it. RKO is reactable.
You don't get to press buttons as much as you'd like to on King. He loses his turn on a lot of stuff.
He's a lot more counter hit oriented honestly given the CH throw buff and he still has his df2 and shove.

Excellent poking at any range mixed with grabs ( you hit and close the distance thanks to + frames) , powercrushing moves , muscle armor and Jaguar Sprint.

JS is counterable but the main thing is that it is at almost no risk for King with super high reward... You need to guess correctly twice in a row... this move puts him a mixup situation and even if you block it, there is another mixup after that and if he hits you are downed and he is heat .. needless to say that his heat smash is insane dmg.

In practice even pro players get owned by this, you can watch latest tourneys Tampa never sleeps or the one I watched yesterday on Level up Your Game YT channel , Jesandy and TheJakeman pulling this off many times against very strong players who know the matchups.

I think he is an all rounder in general, everything he does is extremely strong, attacking, counter attacking, throwing, poking, comboing, wall .. honestly i don't see any weakness in King, only amazing stuffs.

It is just that there are 4-5 other chars that are equally or more broken which makes it a difficult matchup for him, but if you compare him to most of the cast, he is really in a league above because he does poking as well as any char ( if not better than some) on top of having amazing damage, throws, armored moves, trading ability, wall pressure, combos.. everything really.

[willy bammy]

I'm not sure what you mean now by "guessing twice" against Jaguar Sprint, if anything you don't guess at all because like I said, the RKO is reactable and the only other thing you would wanna duck against is a 20 damage low. It's in your best interest to just stay standing. And another mixup after blocking a Jaguar Sprint option? Both mid options he loses his turn on.

Poking, great powercrushes, and amazing throws are all good tools but they aren't "pressure machine" tools really. Very good at counter hitting though and breaking out of pressure.

I wouldn't call him an all rounder: He has the best throws in the game, amazing counter hits, good poking, best set of powercrushes in the game, and very good Heat tools. But he absolutely has weaknesses. Not a crazy good low game (except that one amazing one), the worst wall combo in the game, worst back dash, below average side step, lot of his moves are linear.

Like I said King is easily top 10, but people should at least know the real reasons why he's top 10 instead of saying he's good at things he sucks at lol

[Pelikan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxNO4K6nVKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOavLar5z3g

:)

[willy bammy]

That's Jaguar Step, not Jaguar Sprint. If you can Jaguar Step to an enemy without getting interrupted, that's a mixup. Jaguar Sprint isn't.

I'm not sure what other gotchas are supposed to be in these vids

[Pelikan]

Indeed, it was just to show that you can Jaguar step to good effect at fairly close range for the first one.

The second one shows that King is an all rounder basically, can put a lot of pressure in his own way against any char, even at the highest level and few characters can match his effectiveness for comebacks and raw damage.

[le merveilleux]

Origineel geplaatst door ShadowSplit:

Alt+F4 is my favorite tech. Works 100% of time.
I would love so much to see which character my opponent is using so I can deny match straight away.

true af

[le merveilleux]

Origineel geplaatst door Pelikan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxNO4K6nVKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOavLar5z3g

:)

then king players wonder why no one likes them.

u guys are the tekken version of throwing knives + riot shield from call of duty players.

[Josefumi]

I agree, no king is underpowered.
I think what you're looking for is "no, king is underpowered"