Mid attacks hitting when you're on floor / rolling.

[Ren]

Can we please remove this feature? Mid attacks that quite clearly miss mine and any others hit-boxes still hit during rolling it's making getting up safely and out of attacks obnoxious I shouldn't be penalised for guessing a 50/50 correct and losing HP + staying on the floor for another guessing game. Leroys mid - low kick is one, Zafinas DF + 1, just to name a few that seem to hit me while rolling, everyone has these mid attacks that can catch rolling on floor opponents.

Am I missing something is this supposed to happen? I just can't fathom the need to be punished for guessing correctly that someones using a linear frontal mid expecting me to wake up, me rolling to the side and getting hit by it anyway. holding back is super unsafe and causes you to lose mega amount of HP. the natural way to stand up now is holding UP as averse to T7 where it was BACK and even then stuff that should be blocked will hit me anyway cause the frames to block from standing seem to be extremely delayed.

Could this be a netcode problem maybe? noticed that even games where I magically get 35 - 50 PING we still suffer for Rollback Frames.

[C1REX]

In some cases even high attacks can hit grounded enemies trying to roll.
It's an intended mechanics. Some characters specialise at keeping lying enemy down. The whole concept is called Okizeme or Oki.

[unclassified]

Originally posted by C1REX:

In some cases even high attacks can hit grounded enemies trying to roll.
It's an intended mechanics. Some characters specialise at keeping lying enemy down. The whole concept is called Okizeme or Oki.

i am not so sure if it is intendet in all cases, especially when it wasnt this way in 7 and now its so in 8 with the same move.

[anzdes]

why don't you want to understand the game is trash and got no sens... just unistalle this ♥♥♥♥

[[SEAF] Cheez3™]

can we please fix king? when he crouches looks like a mid attack would hit him, but my firsts just pass over him.

it's weird af.

[Lala]

Originally posted by unclassified:

Originally posted by C1REX:

In some cases even high attacks can hit grounded enemies trying to roll.
It's an intended mechanics. Some characters specialise at keeping lying enemy down. The whole concept is called Okizeme or Oki.

i am not so sure if it is intendet in all cases, especially when it wasnt this way in 7 and now its so in 8 with the same move.

it was. kazuya for example still has a high that hits grounded targets as a certain chip finisher.

[Lala]

Originally posted by Ren:

Can we please remove this feature? Mid attacks that quite clearly miss mine and any others hit-boxes still hit during rolling it's making getting up safely and out of attacks obnoxious I shouldn't be penalised for guessing a 50/50 correct and losing HP + staying on the floor for another guessing game. Leroys mid - low kick is one, Zafinas DF + 1, just to name a few that seem to hit me while rolling, everyone has these mid attacks that can catch rolling on floor opponents.

Am I missing something is this supposed to happen? I just can't fathom the need to be punished for guessing correctly that someones using a linear frontal mid expecting me to wake up, me rolling to the side and getting hit by it anyway. holding back is super unsafe and causes you to lose mega amount of HP. the natural way to stand up now is holding UP as averse to T7 where it was BACK and even then stuff that should be blocked will hit me anyway cause the frames to block from standing seem to be extremely delayed.

Could this be a netcode problem maybe? noticed that even games where I magically get 35 - 50 PING we still suffer for Rollback Frames.

this is why there are different wakeup options for different situations.
often times though when you are knocked down into a position where your head is facing the enemy then they can punish with a move that wouldnt normally land and it makes it guaranteed.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Ren:

Can we please remove this feature? Mid attacks that quite clearly miss mine and any others hit-boxes still hit during rolling it's making getting up safely and out of attacks obnoxious I shouldn't be penalised for guessing a 50/50 correct and losing HP + staying on the floor for another guessing game. Leroys mid - low kick is one, Zafinas DF + 1, just to name a few that seem to hit me while rolling, everyone has these mid attacks that can catch rolling on floor opponents.

Am I missing something is this supposed to happen? I just can't fathom the need to be punished for guessing correctly that someones using a linear frontal mid expecting me to wake up, me rolling to the side and getting hit by it anyway. holding back is super unsafe and causes you to lose mega amount of HP. the natural way to stand up now is holding UP as averse to T7 where it was BACK and even then stuff that should be blocked will hit me anyway cause the frames to block from standing seem to be extremely delayed.

Could this be a netcode problem maybe? noticed that even games where I magically get 35 - 50 PING we still suffer for Rollback Frames.

Actually in Tekken 7 it was also up, you just saw its value more rare.

You just need to recognize that lots of players are created to play around Oki (like kazuya or jin) and you NEED to learn it and lab it.

Like you literally need to go lab all the option every single character has on you while you on the ground and only then you can start to play properly. And people playing those Oki based chars can enjoy bieng carried untill the ranks where people actually lab it.

[=\[P]/=]

in Tekken7, most generic df/1 do hit ground rolling opponent, i don't like it either but it is what it is.

getting up in Tekken is way too difficult

[T1g3r]

then dont roll... if u press buttons, ur hurtbox expands, its intended...

but: some mids hit grounded chars even if the grounded char doesnt do anything, this is BS

[Jaguar Sprint]

Wait, wakeup mids still hit you when you sideroll ? Bruh xd

[Psycho Dad]

you guys would have loved anything pre T7, when backrolling could be fully launch punished and getting up could be floated for a mini combo XD

they made oki way less punishing already, its part of the game to learn how to get up savely