Question about frame data

[Vakula]

If an opponent is -15 on block, a 15 frame startup launcher is guaranteed?

[Cracked Cup]

Yep!

[Kiln]

If executed frame perfect, then yes.

[JokeR.^]

Originally posted by Kiln:

If executed frame perfect, then yes.

you dont need to be frame perfect, theres a buffer window in the recovery of block stun where you can input the move and it'll come out instantly when your character can move again.

[Haunted Muffin]

It is worth noting if they are in jab range you will trade if they attempt a jab, though it is still a favorable trade. Starting at 14 is truly safe.

[Average AMD neanderthal]

do keep in mind: some moves can not be buffered. if you are using a move that 'should' hit, it is probably because you had to wait till you've recovered and timed it too late.

[JokeR.^]

Originally posted by Average pizza enjoyer:

do keep in mind: some moves can not be buffered. if you are using a move that 'should' hit, it is probably because you had to wait till you've recovered and timed it too late.

like what? even the qcf part of inputs like pauls deathfist for example can be buffered, so what moves cant?

[progste]

Originally posted by JokeR.^:

Originally posted by Average pizza enjoyer:

do keep in mind: some moves can not be buffered. if you are using a move that 'should' hit, it is probably because you had to wait till you've recovered and timed it too late.

like what? even the qcf part of inputs like pauls deathfist for example can be buffered, so what moves cant?

Electric.

[=\[P]/=]

Originally posted by JokeR.^:

Originally posted by Average pizza enjoyer:

do keep in mind: some moves can not be buffered. if you are using a move that 'should' hit, it is probably because you had to wait till you've recovered and timed it too late.

like what? even the qcf part of inputs like pauls deathfist for example can be buffered, so what moves cant?

how can you buffer QCF Paul's deathfist !???
i tried it and i can't

[JokeR.^]

Originally posted by =\P/=:

Originally posted by JokeR.^:

like what? even the qcf part of inputs like pauls deathfist for example can be buffered, so what moves cant?

how can you buffer QCF Paul's deathfist !???
i tried it and i can't

edit: i was wrong, its just frame perfect timing. mb brew

[T1g3r]

btw, can someone explain why I often get knocked down or launched (my opponent not) although my opponent and me trade? whats the math behind unequal trades?

[Make otgf -9 pls]

90% of time yes but cause of range or specific hit box it may not be the case

[NecromancyBlack]

You can't buffer into movement stances like Mishima crouch dashs or Paul's sway, hence you can't buffer electrics or death fist.

You can buffer regular attacks like df2 or hopkick and there's an 8f buffer for those.

Single input movements like sidesteps have a 15f buffer window, and you can dash buffer now by inserting f,f in that 15f and hold down the second forward. A dash will come out on the first frame you return to neutral.

[Greag]

Originally posted by Haunted Muffin:

It is worth noting if they are in jab range you will trade if they attempt a jab, though it is still a favorable trade. Starting at 14 is truly safe.

wrong it can just be a bit tight to buffer the move depending on what you blocked

[=\[P]/=]

Originally posted by T1g3r:

btw, can someone explain why I often get knocked down or launched (my opponent not) although my opponent and me trade? whats the math behind unequal trades?

when moves do trade, the properties of the moves still apply
the knock down still knock down
the launch still launch
the knock back still knock back
frame on hit still apply on both side

[天佑中共🐥the light]

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