Bryan is the worst character in the game

[RawTheory]

Prove me wrong.
Depends on counters to do anything, horrible offense, useless heat mechanic (here have an almost usless install).

[Be_Proud (Heritage)]

Bryan in T8 is solid AF.

[Humorous Chimp]

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You just don't play him properly can say same on kazuya unsafe unsfae -9 no 13f df1 no easy launch (bryan has jet upper 14f reliable launch) but that is not the point of kaz he has specific game plan and that is his strength.

So learn how to utilise Bryan

Jet upper's execution is needlessly complicated. everyone else gets simple launch punishes and gets this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ frame perfect garbage.

How are you having difficulty pressing forward then back then 2

[Maxaemon]

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Bryan is not the worst character nor the best. In fact, he's a Tekken character for those who don't want to play Tekken. Very unorthodox and chaotic. In practice mode you will try out his launchers and CHs and think he is going to carry you with these to the god ranks.. and then you play real matches and realise none of those are easy to pull off. For couple of reasons. Too slow, too linear, just out of range or just plain useless. The benefit of having so many CH options comes with a very big downside in the fact that your timing needs to be excellent. All his non-CH launchers require hard reads. His throw game is one of the worst in the game. His lows are also arguably one of the worst in the game. One of the worst heat modes in the game. And now here comes the biggest issue, he legit has no panic button. When you get caught in your opponent's flowchart, the only thing that can save you is a hard read and excellent defensive reactions. You will also quickly realise that your success with Bryan will many times hinge on how much damage you squeeze out of every single mistake of your opponent or upon succesful launch. With Bryan you simply can't afford to drop combos or fluff your wall pressure. These will literally cost you rounds and ultimately matches. And of course let's not forget the execution requirements.

He is definitely difficult to play, there is no doubt about that. You need solid fundamentals but there are many extremely strong Bryans, the most famous is of course Knee. Bryan can demolish opponents very quickly, he requires high level of execution, patience and matchup knowledge to punish opponents, but his damage is very strong, he has very strong CHs, good pokes, combos, and is one of the best at the wall.

The thing is in T8, so many characters were buffed offensively, so Bryan kinda suffered from it because he more of a counter attacking character, he is not as strong as he was in T7 IMHO, but he is still a force to be reckoned with when played by very skilled/experienced players.

That is true. Bryan's an excellent choice for players who specialize in combo artistry and squeezing ridiculous damage out of 1 or 2 successful launches, especially if walls are accounted for with heat and rage and snake-eyes and taunt. That is what makes him fun, when you can actually launch someone and have the execution needed.

Problem is, Bryan is a poor choice for players who specialize in fundamentals-based play-style that focuses heavily on footsies, balanced defense and offense and of course having lots of options to deal with lots of different things. On versatility scale, Bryan is very much one of the worst characters you can pick.

Personally I don't understand how anyone can think he has great pokes. Again, in practice mode they might seem S tier. I remember the first time I tried d4 back in T7 and thought I just discovered the best low poke in the game.. just to go play against a real person online and get my d4 dismantled with ease.

I thought qcb1 is going to be overpowered in T8, just to realize that no I'm just gonna eat a side-step punish like electrics instead. b1, 3+4 all the same. Bryan's mids are frequently beat by competition as well. I think his qcf3 and ws3 mids should be much better on block because that move has the potential to make Bryan stronger. It has better tracking, faster too, then f3, but it's horrendous on block because it has a possible follow-up, which I don't think justifies making it trash on block like this.

Also another pet peeve about Bryan, especially in T8, is his poor throw game. It's braindead easy to break his throws. He really needs at least a 2 break in his arsenal, but I would like him to have a special throw as well like Drag or Steve. Something that could come out of full crouch perhaps. I would happily sacrifice sabaki parry for a better throw game. Or if not, then the sabaki parry could be upgraded to a better version.

EDIT: one last thing that I want to bring up, it's pretty huge. Bryan doesn't have anything other then hatchet kick to condition you to duck and open up his offense. This low is not that impressive, so many ways to beat it.

[OceanOne]

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Here's the problem I'm having getting good with Bryan:

"Full screen counter hit 3+4 launcher": Nothing special about this move, my other main, Yoshi, has FDF2 which does pretty much what this move does but homing. This move is good, don't get me wrong, it's just not reliable as advertised in my honest opinion, other characters can outrange this or get in faster than you can put it out and if you realize "reacting is insanely hard", like I did, you'll start resorting to guessing, then you'll whiff a billion 3+4 and will get launched every time. Cool.

F+3 knee is amazing... if you're Knee. Because on the hands on someone normal, you'll either be too far for this move to be reliable, or too close to get interrupted or CH launched yourself. It's just slower than most close range moves other characters have.


QCF1 truly is an amazing move, can't complain.


"He's one of the best keep out characters". While I understand this and agree, I don't think this says much. Tekken 8 has crazy fast moves, heat dashes, armor moves. All it takes is one whiffed 3+4 and the opponent is already in your face. So yea, he is the best keepout character in the game, that said... good luck keeping anyone out for too long, they will get in and once they do, you don't have a an easy launcher, a hop kick or anything. You just eat non stop pressure and try to get your turn back with a jab string.

I know it sounds like I'm saying the character "sucks". I guess I can compare it to the race Terran in StarCraft 2. In the hands of the best players in the world (or even excellent amateur players) it's almost broken. On the hands of everyone else just trying to get good at the game... good luck.

Bro just mash b1 into f3 and other things.

You playing bryan wrong man.

Excellent advice, just mash B1 and F3. Thanks to you I’m now Tekken Lord Supreme. Next stop EVO24.

[Calandir]

SNAKE EDGE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[T1g3r]

yup, bryan is one of the cheapest char in the game, bryan mains are scrubs lmao

[OceanOne]

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yup, bryan is one of the cheapest char in the game, bryan mains are scrubs lmao

Character is literally known for being an insanely technical and fundamental heavy character.

But T1ger on Steam thinks Bryan mains are scrubs lmao. Let me guess, you’re a Victor main?

[T1g3r]

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yup, bryan is one of the cheapest char in the game, bryan mains are scrubs lmao

Character is literally known for being an insanely technical and fundamental heavy character.

But T1ger on Steam thinks Bryan mains are scrubs lmao. Let me guess, you’re a Victor main?

well, only ppl in the bryan bubble think that, taunt jet upper might be technical, all his other sh*t aint difficult at all, I hate to brake it to u but u r carried hard by bryan, scrub

u cannot even spell my steam name correctly, IQ below 100, I guess

[Calandir]

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Character is literally known for being an insanely technical and fundamental heavy character.

But T1ger on Steam thinks Bryan mains are scrubs lmao. Let me guess, you’re a Victor main?

well, only ppl in the bryan bubble think that, taunt jet upper might be technical, all his other sh*t aint difficult at all, I hate to brake it to u but u r carried hard by bryan, scrub

u cannot even spell my steam name correctly, IQ below 100, I guess

Yet you can't do 90% of his combos. Lmao.

[OceanOne]

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Character is literally known for being an insanely technical and fundamental heavy character.

But T1ger on Steam thinks Bryan mains are scrubs lmao. Let me guess, you’re a Victor main?

well, only ppl in the bryan bubble think that, taunt jet upper might be technical, all his other sh*t aint difficult at all, I hate to brake it to u but u r carried hard by bryan, scrub

u cannot even spell my steam name correctly, IQ below 100, I guess

Difficulty of Bryan is 90% gameplan, 10% execution. He has a unique play style that none other character has and if you haven’t played the character enough you wouldn’t realize that.

You’re right, pressing buttons with Bryan is easy. The hard part is that every button he has needs to be pressed with excellent timing after conditioning your opponent, reading his gameplay and knowing his character. Aside from that, as many have stated here, no easy DF2 launcher or hopkick to be used as a hail Mary while getting pressured, nothing.

Now, you sound like someone who has been abused by Bryan in recent memory, so here are some tips. In mid range don’t press a lot of buttons, instead use really fast advancing moves, armor moves or heat to break his defense and get on his face. Once you’re in close range it’s over. Never stop pressing buttons and pressuring him. Profit. No high IQ needed.

Go get em’ T1g3r

[RawTheory]

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Best example of why Bryan is trash, since so many people like to point to experts using him effectively. Knee vs Arslan Ash, arguably the two best players in the world. Knee's Bryan was getting completely destroyed by Arslan's Victor game after game, getting dominated by pressure as has been pointed out in this thread repeatedly. He turned it all around by picking Drag and even wen Arslan picked his main, Jun he couldn't overcome the comeback by Knee. So like I said earlier, when it comes down to it, in tournament settings with money on the line Bryan is going to be left in the dust because he is fundamentally flawed for the aggressive pressure focused game T8 is.

Your best example of why Bryan is trash is because one of the worlds best players picked him against one of the other worlds best players?

Knee has been playing Bryan for 20 years. His Bryan got bodied by Arslan's Victor who he's been playing for a couple of weeks.

[RawTheory]

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Jet upper's execution is needlessly complicated. everyone else gets simple launch punishes and gets this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ frame perfect garbage.

How are you having difficulty pressing forward then back then 2

Its a ♥♥♥♥ option compared to DF2

[Calandir]

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Your best example of why Bryan is trash is because one of the worlds best players picked him against one of the other worlds best players?

Knee has been playing Bryan for 20 years. His Bryan got bodied by Arslan's Victor who he's been playing for a couple of weeks.

Victor is a ♥♥♥♥♥ character

[Make otgf -9 pls]

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yup, bryan is one of the cheapest char in the game, bryan mains are scrubs lmao

Character is literally known for being an insanely technical and fundamental heavy character.

But T1ger on Steam thinks Bryan mains are scrubs lmao. Let me guess, you’re a Victor main?

He is not as hard as labeled to be especially with tekken 8 dumbing down many chars still difficult

[Make otgf -9 pls]

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How are you having difficulty pressing forward then back then 2

Its a ♥♥♥♥ option compared to DF2

Try punishing something at -14 with jet upper and then with pewgf or ewgf and compare