Best character to learn the game with?

[Dwolfin]

and not just that, throw me in the deep end. i dont want to win in bliss, I want a character that awards me solely on playing well, a character enforces me to get gud.

[AvidExpert]

Publicado originalmente por =\P/=:

i think gen Y Mishimas already losing care about fundamental
(Jin, DJ Reina, not sure about kaz)
they can be deadly with unga bunga panic low punch knock down, fly, dance, gimmick strings

on of my friend main Zafina in tk7 Purple rank
now main Jin in tk8, Purple rank
he has no idea what frame data is

i'm surprise even TMM the mishima worshiper put Jin into "Easy to play"

back to the topic
i say Shaheen and Lili
to use them well you need solid understand the game mechanic or you can't utilize their tools

You can literally mash 2,4 ss matrohorn and 50 setups on Lili, including her mid crushes now and on top of that natural low high that go's into straight up 50/50 between low/mid launcher. Mid launcher being not just safe, but neutral on block basically.

OR abuse a new 50/50 jumpnig mechanic on Shaheen and his old M,L M,H mixup now has a M,M that launches.

He can also guardbreak.

Not a "Fundamental char"

Neither Lili or Shaheen are fundamental at this point.

Lili never was, Shaheen gets too much forced 50/50 now.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por Davii:

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

What does it has to do with fundamentals?

Fundamentals mean not doing dumb stuff and trying to get reward from it.

Playing around neutral properly instead.

Right now one of the most fundamental chars are Law/Bryan/Alisa/Paul.

Guess what, let's take Law for example, he can just D2,3 and just randomly yolo it and not play "fundamentally"

Doensn't mean the char is a gimmicky mess.

No no no. That's not what fundamental means.

Fundamental is the basic essence of Tekken. It includes frame knowledge, basic situation knowledge, risk reward assessment, MOVEMENT, defense through blocking and movement.

For example asuka take away defence from equation. That's why people often call her non fundamental character and when people play her they literally don't learn how to defend with movement and blocking.

Alisa and Lars both came as early antikbd tool for newbies, and what they remove from fundamental is movement. They are made to disregard distance and mix you up from other side of screen, removing both your and their non lateral movement. That's why old school Tekken players didn't like them when they first appeared. They removed a big chunk of gameplay from the game. A massively important one.

[AvidExpert]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Davii:

Fundamentals mean not doing dumb stuff and trying to get reward from it.

Playing around neutral properly instead.

Right now one of the most fundamental chars are Law/Bryan/Alisa/Paul.

Guess what, let's take Law for example, he can just D2,3 and just randomly yolo it and not play "fundamentally"

Doensn't mean the char is a gimmicky mess.

No no no. That's not what fundamental means.

Fundamental is the basic essence of Tekken. It includes frame knowledge, basic situation knowledge, risk reward assessment, MOVEMENT, defense through blocking and movement.

For example asuka take away defence from equation. That's why people often call her non fundamental character and when people play her they literally don't learn how to defend with movement and blocking.

Alisa and Lars both came as early antikbd tool for newbies, and what they remove from fundamental is movement. They are made to disregard distance and mix you up from other side of screen, removing both your and their non lateral movement. That's why old school Tekken players didn't like them when they first appeared. They removed a big chunk of gameplay from the game. A massively important one.

Bro in an elaborate way you just described what I said.

Ty.

[SpryOldGuy]

play drag noob

[Septon]

Publicado originalmente por Dwolfin:

Best character to learn the game with?

No offense but this question makes no sense. Just pick a character you like, don't you have any visual standards? Choisis avec ton cœur mon ami !

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

Publicado originalmente por Davii:

Fundamentals mean not doing dumb stuff and trying to get reward from it.

Playing around neutral properly instead.

Right now one of the most fundamental chars are Law/Bryan/Alisa/Paul.

Guess what, let's take Law for example, he can just D2,3 and just randomly yolo it and not play "fundamentally"

Doensn't mean the char is a gimmicky mess.

No no no. That's not what fundamental means.

Fundamental is the basic essence of Tekken. It includes frame knowledge, basic situation knowledge, risk reward assessment, MOVEMENT, defense through blocking and movement.

For example asuka take away defence from equation. That's why people often call her non fundamental character and when people play her they literally don't learn how to defend with movement and blocking.

Alisa and Lars both came as early antikbd tool for newbies, and what they remove from fundamental is movement. They are made to disregard distance and mix you up from other side of screen, removing both your and their non lateral movement. That's why old school Tekken players didn't like them when they first appeared. They removed a big chunk of gameplay from the game. A massively important one.

You do realize that once you start walking and take away Alisa's fly stuff, she has no way to stop you from doing it and you can play normally?

She's not like Dragunov where there's a homing move to stop you from moving.

[👑THE STORM QUEEN👑]

High tier character

[Zagryzaec]

I hope you don't think d2 is homing.

I don't need to take away her stuff as Dragunov I take her mix ups heads on. She is one of the most honest girl in Tekken.

But first she is not fundamental or most fundamental. Secondly some of her slides seems like they track pretty well. Not a big problem since I usually don't step anyways, but upsetting when I actually try.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Side walk =/= side step.

[Zagryzaec]

Publicado originalmente por C.C. しえんのとがひめ:

Side walk =/= side step.

I will keep it in mind. Not that I didn't knew that. The point is - I move to the left, she clips me. Better just block and punish.

[Pyre]

Honestly just pick a character you think is the coolest. Resonating with the character will motivate you to learn them.

[AvidExpert]

Publicado originalmente por Zagryzaec:

I hope you don't think d2 is homing.

I don't need to take away her stuff as Dragunov I take her mix ups heads on. She is one of the most honest girl in Tekken.

But first she is not fundamental or most fundamental. Secondly some of her slides seems like they track pretty well. Not a big problem since I usually don't step anyways, but upsetting when I actually try.

Her slides do not track at all. You can get out on either direction, doesn't even have a strong side.

Also only difference is if she does f3+4 in which case SWR is superior.

But this is not "Slide" this is f3+4 dash. in which case SWR wins every option she has basically

Everything else is basically SWL including slides. You just mistimed IG.

[KILLA]

no lili suggestions?

[Maxaemon]

Asuka if you want to learn the EASY way, but you will form bad habits.
Kazuya if you want to learn the HARD way and form good habits along the way.

[T1g3r]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX:

My vote goes to Feng.
Simple. No execution. No stances. Little moves. No gimmicks.

simple (?) - not really; unless you shoulder spam low ranks; many tools that need to be applied in the right situation

no stances (?) - nope, he has several stances lol

low count of moves (?) - nope, many moves

no gimmicks (?) - not sure everyone agrees on this take either lol

no execution - agreed, less execution than other chars