Best character to learn the game with?

[Dwolfin]

and not just that, throw me in the deep end. i dont want to win in bliss, I want a character that awards me solely on playing well, a character enforces me to get gud.

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Universal power crush you are a joke most powercrushes are unsafe as they should be you are on such copium with this char

Bro you were funny sometimes my guy but I wont be talking to you anymore.

You are a low rank player that talks like he is a TGP.

The problem with that though is you have a huge ego.

So you're incorrect about tons of things and too stubborn/egotistical to listen to good players.

You have an inherently huge bias.

I'm in VC with a Steve/Bryan TGP rn, wanna hear his opinion on Alisa? Because he also agrees she is a very clean fundamental char that can't panic and he's actually about to pick her up because of this.

Kaz? Unga bunga casino gambling ff2 machine. Just a char for people who wanna think they're better than they are.

If you were in voice chat you would not dare disagree with him cos of his chars/ranked, that's the kinda tribal biased mentality you have.

Literally you are person that states in 90% comments
,,i am the best"
,,i have highest rank in this game"
,,i would easily beat you"
and so on and you are the one talking about ego here

As for alisa i do not say she can't be played fundamentally IN TGP but she has options and gimmicky stuff to abuse at lower and even intermediate ranks and then what you know her stuff? Then prepare for one of the best poking chars so not only she has this stuff even if you know it she is still strong character no matter your Mu knowledge

You are the one with tribal instinct the hypocrocy of yours lmao first you say i have big mouth like a tgp but i am not tgp so i should shut up then you say i would not argue with tgp cause i am tribal

It is same gate keeping as telling people they can't discuss about something cause they are not proffessional at it or don't have phd or other paper to back it up it is completely non scientific and against any academic approach. When i speak about chemistry biochemistry and human diet or martial arts or muscle building which i all studied/pracitice and actively read articles and new publications about i never discourage others from stating their mind and i do not require any validation source. If they say something which is correct and proven there is no need for that and such gatekeeping only makes this community look even more retarded than it already is

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Universal power crush you are a joke most powercrushes are unsafe as they should be you are on such copium with this char

Bro you were funny sometimes my guy but I wont be talking to you anymore.

You are a low rank player that talks like he is a TGP.

The problem with that though is you have a huge ego.

So you're incorrect about tons of things and too stubborn/egotistical to listen to good players.

You have an inherently huge bias.

I'm in VC with a Steve/Bryan TGP rn, wanna hear his opinion on Alisa? Because he also agrees she is a very clean fundamental char that can't panic and he's actually about to pick her up because of this.

HE wants to play Alisa specifically because you can't rob people and he likes chars like that, hence Bryan/Steve as his mains.

Kaz? Unga bunga casino gambling ff2 machine. Just a char for people who wanna think they're better than they are.

If you were in voice chat you would not dare disagree with him cos of his chars/ranked, that's the kinda tribal biased mentality you have.

Also JIn is overtuned as hell, you can find several posts calling that stuff out in much more detail than you ever did, from myself.

Unlike you I have self awareness, I don't sit there coping, being delusional, calling every char I lose against OP while Acting like ScubmanSWE and just saying Kaz is hardest most insane char ever.

Better off, i don't get hardstuck at low ranks then yap all day like I'm a god.

P.S.

Don't pull the "stop derailing the thread lets get back to it" on me when you started by quoting me and just saying ALisa is a robbery char and full of crap cos you had to inject your insecurity into this guys thread.

You didn't just quote me but others too, derailing the ♥♥♥♥ out of the thread. Stop with that lets get back on topic after that and just get back to it like everyone originally was.

/end

Projection you are the one making those claims it is silly additionally i self reflected on multiple threads abot reina but that won't suit your manipulation will it? Just leave

[AvidExpert]

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Bro you were funny sometimes my guy but I wont be talking to you anymore.

You are a low rank player that talks like he is a TGP.

The problem with that though is you have a huge ego.

So you're incorrect about tons of things and too stubborn/egotistical to listen to good players.

You have an inherently huge bias.

I'm in VC with a Steve/Bryan TGP rn, wanna hear his opinion on Alisa? Because he also agrees she is a very clean fundamental char that can't panic and he's actually about to pick her up because of this.

Kaz? Unga bunga casino gambling ff2 machine. Just a char for people who wanna think they're better than they are.

If you were in voice chat you would not dare disagree with him cos of his chars/ranked, that's the kinda tribal biased mentality you have.

Literally you are person that states in 90% comments
,,i am the best"
,,i have highest rank in this game"
,,i would easily beat you"
and so on and you are the one talking about ego here

As for alisa i do not say she can't be played fundamentally IN TGP but she has options and gimmicky stuff to abuse at lower and even intermediate ranks and then what you know her stuff? Then prepare for one of the best poking chars so not only she has this stuff even if you know it she is still strong character no matter your Mu knowledge

You are the one with tribal instinct the hypocrocy of yours lmao first you say i have big mouth like a tgp but i am not tgp so i should shut up then you say i would not argue with tgp cause i am tribal

It is same gate keeping as telling people they can't discuss about something cause they are not proffessional at it or don't have phd or other paper to back it up it is completely non scientific and against any academic approach. When i speak about chemistry biochemistry and human diet or martial arts or muscle building which i all studied/pracitice and actively read articles and new publications about i never discourage others from stating their mind and i do not require any validation source. If they say something which is correct and proven there is no need for that and such gatekeeping only makes this community look even more retarded than it already is

Bro you get told information and corrections after being wrong.

And as a low rank player what do you do.

A. Listen to the big boys and TGP's who DEFINITELY know what they're talking about.

B. Argue all day.

Ofc you pick B.

This isn't gatekeeping, you are just being annoying and arguing with people that know better.

You know who else does that? Diamond Girls.

That's what you look like.

Last reply you'll ever get.

5m ago you were actually telling someone to shutup about telling Zako he's wrong because he's good at the game.

Now you're ARGUING that everyone deserves an opinion.

Fking hypocrite bro.

That's what I mean about biased tribal behaviour, checkmate and burn.

P.s.

It's really not about gatekeeping, we could have some good convos, but you constantly say the opposite because you want to correct a good player like me and get me to go "Oh yeah, you're right" because you need someone to validate that insecurity you have.

Like a Father figure.

But I can't do taht when you're wrong and when you keep injecting insecurity and just playing devils advocate for the lulz 24/7 you become too annoying to deal with.

Also you worship Zako for playing STeve and Bryan and giving people cold takes, but when I do it I'm just some egotistical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

But when Zako does it you support him and even defend him like a fanboy when he aint around.

This crap and hypocritical tribal behaviour is embarrassing man.

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Literally you are person that states in 90% comments
,,i am the best"
,,i have highest rank in this game"
,,i would easily beat you"
and so on and you are the one talking about ego here

As for alisa i do not say she can't be played fundamentally IN TGP but she has options and gimmicky stuff to abuse at lower and even intermediate ranks and then what you know her stuff? Then prepare for one of the best poking chars so not only she has this stuff even if you know it she is still strong character no matter your Mu knowledge

You are the one with tribal instinct the hypocrocy of yours lmao first you say i have big mouth like a tgp but i am not tgp so i should shut up then you say i would not argue with tgp cause i am tribal

It is same gate keeping as telling people they can't discuss about something cause they are not proffessional at it or don't have phd or other paper to back it up it is completely non scientific and against any academic approach. When i speak about chemistry biochemistry and human diet or martial arts or muscle building which i all studied/pracitice and actively read articles and new publications about i never discourage others from stating their mind and i do not require any validation source. If they say something which is correct and proven there is no need for that and such gatekeeping only makes this community look even more retarded than it already is

Bro you get told information and corrections after being wrong.

And as a low rank player what do you do.

A. Listen to the big boys and TGP's who DEFINITELY know what they're talking about.

B. Argue all day.

Ofc you pick B.

This isn't gatekeeping, you are just being annoying and arguing with people that know better.

You know who else does that? Diamond Girls.

That's what you look like.

Last reply you'll ever get.

5m ago you were actually telling someone to shutup about telling Zako he's wrong because he's good at the game.

Now you're ARGUING that everyone deserves an opinion.

Fking hypocrite bro.

That's what I mean about biased tribal behaviour, checkmate and burn.

checkmate and burn lmao enough arguing with you

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

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Name the panic tools.

You made the claim, now I want names.

Ub2 unreactable 16f powercrush high so what it is unreactable and ducking on alisa is not the best idea very strong then db1+2

db1+2 crushing stance with 1 as 11f followup to catch any retaliation and is +4 on block with chip dmg has mid neutral skip from there steppable ofc but delaying stance and entering ws offers homing

Range 2,03 12f mid (it is a poke alright but poke can be a panic tool) -7 on bl only super easy to bait df1 or poke and backdash punish

U1 has crushing i don't know to what extent
f3+4 with cancel if anyone thinks of stepping (can condition them) mid and low version and after cancel you enter stance from previous db1+2 for the previously mentioned options

uf 1+2 in chainsaw stance crushing and leaves in +9
Magic 4 homing ofc basic ch tool

If armors are panic moves, Kazuya has then as well, so there's no arguing that he's full of panic tools.

Backup Stance, aka d/b1, sure it can evade some highs and very short range mids, but guess what? Kazuya has a backsway that works even better than Backup.

As for everything else you said....yea....lemme fly towards the opponent as a panic move...

[progste]

How long are you guys gonna continue this beef that has nothing to do with the thread?

[AvidExpert]

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Ub2 unreactable 16f powercrush high so what it is unreactable and ducking on alisa is not the best idea very strong then db1+2

db1+2 crushing stance with 1 as 11f followup to catch any retaliation and is +4 on block with chip dmg has mid neutral skip from there steppable ofc but delaying stance and entering ws offers homing

Range 2,03 12f mid (it is a poke alright but poke can be a panic tool) -7 on bl only super easy to bait df1 or poke and backdash punish

U1 has crushing i don't know to what extent
f3+4 with cancel if anyone thinks of stepping (can condition them) mid and low version and after cancel you enter stance from previous db1+2 for the previously mentioned options

uf 1+2 in chainsaw stance crushing and leaves in +9
Magic 4 homing ofc basic ch tool

If armors are panic moves, Kazuya has then as well, so there's no arguing that he's full of panic tools.

Backup Stance, aka d/b1, sure it can evade some highs and very short range mids, but guess what? Kazuya has a backsway that works even better than Backup.

As for everything else you said....yea....lemme fly towards the opponent as a panic move...

Man says a high evasion CH low is a bad move, then mentions Jins same move at the same frames as being an OP move.

Then he claims that Flying at the enemy in f3+4 as Alisa is a panic move.

Holy crap he showed how much of a scrub he is all at once more than I even realized.

No wonder he mash at -5, he has no concept of anything and he has 0 self awareness.

"Kaz 23f low CH high evasion move is trash and I've said this since T7, it's absolutely garbage, it works as a high crush but its slow and waaaa"

"Jins d2 at 23f is an OP high crushing low"

LMAO 0 self awareness bro.

Yes I'm using hyperbole a tiny bit but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's my way of coping with how people can be so bad and so unaware of themselves. My goodness.

Just fly at the enemy without being able to block at minus frames on Alisa, 10/10 advice.

[AvidExpert]

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How long are you guys gonna continue this beef that has nothing to do with the thread?

I'ma just add OP and actually get him in the right place, better than this cesspool ngl.

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Ub2 unreactable 16f powercrush high so what it is unreactable and ducking on alisa is not the best idea very strong then db1+2

db1+2 crushing stance with 1 as 11f followup to catch any retaliation and is +4 on block with chip dmg has mid neutral skip from there steppable ofc but delaying stance and entering ws offers homing

Range 2,03 12f mid (it is a poke alright but poke can be a panic tool) -7 on bl only super easy to bait df1 or poke and backdash punish

U1 has crushing i don't know to what extent
f3+4 with cancel if anyone thinks of stepping (can condition them) mid and low version and after cancel you enter stance from previous db1+2 for the previously mentioned options

uf 1+2 in chainsaw stance crushing and leaves in +9
Magic 4 homing ofc basic ch tool

If armors are panic moves, Kazuya has then as well, so there's no arguing that he's full of panic tools.

Backup Stance, aka d/b1, sure it can evade some highs and very short range mids, but guess what? Kazuya has a backsway that works even better than Backup.

As for everything else you said....yea....lemme fly towards the opponent as a panic move...

Just quickly about powercrush f2 of kaz for example 20f mid and -12 all fair and square but then we have victor with 15f high powercrush so unreactable and heat engager or alisa 16 safe high powercrush or hwo mid mid 14 but has stance transition into disgusting set ups

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How long are you guys gonna continue this beef that has nothing to do with the thread?

I'ma just add OP and actually get him in the right place, better than this cesspool ngl.

op already added me and we are chilling lmao give him some basic advice on who to pick and what type of char would suit him

[AvidExpert]

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I'ma just add OP and actually get him in the right place, better than this cesspool ngl.

op already added me and we are chilling lmao give him some basic advice on who to pick and what type of char would suit him

i've added OP and I'ma just get him in VC regularly with some of the top players atm in Tekken overall.

You do you though.

Not sure why we're measuring who's bigger now but I win anyway.

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op already added me and we are chilling lmao give him some basic advice on who to pick and what type of char would suit him

i've added OP and I'ma just get him in VC regularly with some of the top players atm in Tekken overall.

You do you though.

Not sure why we're measuring who's bigger now but I win anyway.

I am not just lead the guy

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If armors are panic moves, Kazuya has then as well, so there's no arguing that he's full of panic tools.

Backup Stance, aka d/b1, sure it can evade some highs and very short range mids, but guess what? Kazuya has a backsway that works even better than Backup.

As for everything else you said....yea....lemme fly towards the opponent as a panic move...

Just quickly about powercrush f2 of kaz for example 20f mid and -12 all fair and square but then we have victor with 15f high powercrush so unreactable and heat engager or alisa 16 safe high powercrush or hwo mid mid 14 but has stance transition into disgusting set ups

OK, so that changes things how? You claimed power crush is a panic tool, well, that's universal, not Alisa specific.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Always sad when your thread gets derailed by internet arguments :(

It's interesting to read through the variety of replies though. The fact no one character just got flagged by everyone as perfect for beginners suggests to me that there are a couple of 'landmine' characters (Yoshi/Hwoarang/Kazuya) but otherwise it's a pretty open field.

The thing that'll really keep you with a character though is just that they resonate with you in some way. Even if they do end up being hard to use, if you really love their theme you'll be able to do it. Good luck on your journey!

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Just quickly about powercrush f2 of kaz for example 20f mid and -12 all fair and square but then we have victor with 15f high powercrush so unreactable and heat engager or alisa 16 safe high powercrush or hwo mid mid 14 but has stance transition into disgusting set ups

OK, so that changes things how? You claimed power crush is a panic tool, well, that's universal, not Alisa specific.

Nah it is specific i can't abuse it alisa can it is safe same with victor (even more retarded as heat engager)